Re: Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] A Second-Best Morality

2015-10-19 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Matt- I suggest you read Peirce in the original and not secondary musings about him in Margolis. Edwina - Original Message - From: Matt Faunce To: Peirce-L Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 3:00 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] A Second-Best Morality Regarding what I was

Re: Open axiomatic frameworks (was: [PEIRCE-L] A Second-Best Morality)

2015-10-19 Thread Clark Goble
> On Oct 19, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: > > "To me the big issue were common structures in the environment privileging > certain interpretations making either diffusion or common mind unnecessary. > (Much like certain structures evolve independently in

Re: Open axiomatic frameworks (was: [PEIRCE-L] A Second-Best Morality)

2015-10-19 Thread Clark Goble
> On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: > > Clark - I prefer not to think of Jung. You wrote: > > "the sorts of things structuralism dealt with in treating the mind as > literature were correct." > > I'm not sure what you mean by the above. In most ways

Re: Open axiomatic frameworks (was: [PEIRCE-L] A Second-Best Morality)

2015-10-19 Thread Clark Goble
> On Oct 16, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Stephen Jarosek wrote: > > It was very innovative for Dawkins to introduce memetics into the narrative. > It’s unfortunate that he never developed it further than that. To my eyes there are two unfortunate yet popular terms of the last 20

Re: Open axiomatic frameworks (was: [PEIRCE-L] A Second-Best Morality)

2015-10-19 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Clark - you wrote: "To me the big issue were common structures in the environment privileging certain interpretations making either diffusion or common mind unnecessary. (Much like certain structures evolve independently in nature due to the environment)" EDWINA: - Agree up to a point. That

Re: Open axiomatic frameworks (was: [PEIRCE-L] A Second-Best Morality)

2015-10-19 Thread Clark Goble
> On Oct 17, 2015, at 6:42 AM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: > > Stephen J - yes, the spread of a belief/ behaviour by imitation has been > proposed by some researchers in human society - for a long time. It certainly > didn't start with Dawkins and his 'memes'. But criticism of

Re: Open axiomatic frameworks (was: [PEIRCE-L] A Second-Best Morality)

2015-10-19 Thread Sungchul Ji
(Please ignore the previous post which was sent accidentally and prematurely). Hi Clark, Edwina, Matt, lists, Can it be that all three are essential as indicated in Figure 1 -- i) Environment (also called the physical), ii) Mind (also called the mental), and iii) Structure (also called the

Aw: Re: Open axiomatic frameworks (was: [PEIRCE-L] A Second-Best Morality)

2015-10-19 Thread Helmut Raulien
  Clark, Edwina, Stephen, List, I do not see, that there is an either-or, regarding memes and rational beliefs, or diffusion versus narratives, or subconscious versus conscious structure-elements. I think, that there is both, and that it always is good to make the subconscious conscious, that