Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind and Universe
Dear Stephen, Clark - I see your point. I regret there is not an e-book version available. But the paper version is pretty cheap - around $15. Best F Den 05/09/2014 kl. 18.29 skrev Clark Goble cl...@lextek.commailto:cl...@lextek.com: On Sep 5, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.commailto:stever...@gmail.com wrote: Is there yet an online version of the book? I checked a while back and found none but it makes sense to have texts available on Kindle as they can be read on any device and online will be the permanence of texts in the future. There are other positive arguments as well. I found the introduction, part of chapter 1, and chapter 12 online. So unless you can get a copy via interlibrary loan or copies via the same that’s your best bet. The price, even for the Kindle version, is around $60. Normally that wouldn’t be an issue for me but I’m being a bit conservative in my spending this year. - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind and Universe
Is there yet an online version of the book? I checked a while back and found none but it makes sense to have texts available on Kindle as they can be read on any device and online will be the permanence of texts in the future. There are other positive arguments as well. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Clark Goble cl...@lextek.com wrote: Changing subject line as per John's request - I have questions on Frederik's chapter but I had to wait until I had a copy of the introduction first. I love what I've read thus. Wish I could justify buying the whole book as Frederik's work seems very much tied to my own interests in Peirce's semiotics and Husserl/Heideggarian phenomenology. Particularly the place of indices and icons. There's a lot to digest in the introduction and I've been particularly swamped at work this week. On Sep 5, 2014, at 6:26 AM, Edwina Taborsky tabor...@primus.ca wrote: And since semiosis includes Mind/reasoning - that means that Mind operates in all matter...and in all three categorical modes. And this is certainly not neoplatonism. Kelly Parker's argument (and I recognize not all buy it) is The Ascent of Soul to Nous: Charles S. Peirce as Neoplatonist. Looks like it just got put backup online ungated. http://agora.phi.gvsu.edu/kap/Neoplatonism/csp-plot.html It's been a number of years since I last studied it carefully. So my memory is a tad fuzzy in a few places. I do recall there being one or two key places where I think his argument outstrips his evidence. But it's an extremely worthwhile paper to read. It definitely changed how I think about Peirce. These aren't the only neoPlatonic themes in Peirce. *Reading Peirce Reading *does a nice job on some as well. And surprisingly that appears to be online temporarily as well. (Get it while you can - it's a fantastic little book) http://web.eecs.utk.edu/~tmoore/docs/smyth/RPR-24Aug96.pdf 2) Then, there are some who define the actions that take place among atoms and molecules as purely reactive, actions of Secondness; i.e., that no 'reasoning' process takes place. They may, as does Clark Goble, admit that mediation (Thirdness) plays a role but it is a non-cognitive mode. John Deely simply rejects Mind within the physical realm and considers their interactions, if I understand him, pure acts of Secondness - dyadic interactions with no mediation and of course, no Mind. I suspect we're still on semantics here and what we mean by cognition. But I know this is an endlessly circling debate so I'll not push it more. Does John simply attribute secondness to the physical realm? That's not how I read him, but perhaps I was in error. It seems to me that when we consider the interaction of two particles we can conceive of them in terms of both secondness and thirdness. A lot depends upon what level we are considering I think - that is what abstractions, simplifications and modeling we are doing for our particular discussion at that time. Perhaps I'm wrong but I assume John would, like me, see all three categories always in play. That is I see our discourse and its form very much tied to the topics we're discussing. That is the aspects of reality we are interested in at that moment. - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm . - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind and Universe
On Sep 5, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: Is there yet an online version of the book? I checked a while back and found none but it makes sense to have texts available on Kindle as they can be read on any device and online will be the permanence of texts in the future. There are other positive arguments as well. I found the introduction, part of chapter 1, and chapter 12 online. So unless you can get a copy via interlibrary loan or copies via the same that’s your best bet. The price, even for the Kindle version, is around $60. Normally that wouldn’t be an issue for me but I’m being a bit conservative in my spending this year. - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind and Universe
On Sep 5, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Edwina Taborsky tabor...@primus.ca wrote: No, Peirce was an Aristotelian not a Platonist or NeoPlatonist. The latter proposes some power or force 'beyond or outside of being' - and Peirce rejects this. And to define Peirce as a neo-Platonist because he read Platonists such as Plotinus - is a weak argument. Equally, to define him as such ..even though he wasn't conscious of it - is even weaker. I don’t think the argument is to define him as a Platonist. There are too many clear ways he’s not one. Rather it’s to argue for one particular parallel in their views. Also recall that Plotinus and the others were attempting to be true to Plato through an Aristotelian lens. So there’s not quite the divide there you suggest. Plotinus in particular is a synthesis of the two. So the argument isn’t what you portray it to be. Again, at least read Parker. Even if you completely disagree with him it’s well worth reading. (I think he’s a lurker here, btw. He posts every now and then) - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind and Universe
Peirce is Peirce and cannot be pegged to any philosopher though he seems to think in logic he and Leibnitz share commonality. As to outside and inside, whatever that is, Peirce even before he was a believer was willing to accept the possibility if a deity whose reality could (one day) be proved. Inside or outside as it were. Besides Aristotle's values are lacking. Seriously so. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Clark Goble cl...@lextek.com wrote: On Sep 5, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Edwina Taborsky tabor...@primus.ca wrote: No, Peirce was an Aristotelian not a Platonist or NeoPlatonist. The latter proposes some power or force 'beyond or outside of being' - and Peirce rejects this. And to define Peirce as a neo-Platonist because he read Platonists such as Plotinus - is a weak argument. Equally, to define him as such ..even though he wasn't conscious of it - is even weaker. I don't think the argument is to define him as a Platonist. There are too many clear ways he's not one. Rather it's to argue for one particular parallel in their views. Also recall that Plotinus and the others were attempting to be true to Plato through an Aristotelian lens. So there's not quite the divide there you suggest. Plotinus in particular is a synthesis of the two. So the argument isn't what you portray it to be. Again, at least read Parker. Even if you completely disagree with him it's well worth reading. (I think he's a lurker here, btw. He posts every now and then) - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm . - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind and Universe
On Sep 5, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Edwina Taborsky tabor...@primus.ca wrote: Clark - I got the paperback of the book, Natural Propositions, from Amazon for $16.19. Oh whoops. I’d been looking at Diagrammology. Ugh. My bad. Please ignore everything I said. I’m a complete idiot - perils of trying to fit Peirce-L into an already very busy schedule (Although Diagrammology is a fantastic book from what I’ve read thus far) Ordering Natural Propositions now. - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
