Re: Aw: Re: CP2.230 (1910) ] Systems of Meaning was Re: [PEIRCE-L] 123, abc

2017-08-16 Thread John F Sowa
On 8/12/2017 4:23 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: I have problems with the term "final" or "end" anyway. I guess that the pragmatic maxim is only a proposal how to make our ideas clearer, in order to be able to talk more reasonably, but not absolutely end-clear. That 1878 article about the gates of

Aw: Re: CP2.230 (1910) ] Systems of Meaning was Re: [PEIRCE-L] 123, abc

2017-08-12 Thread Helmut Raulien
Stephen, John, List, that  a token is often one of "an open-ended variety of types", I find interesting and very agreeable. I have problems with the term "final" or "end" anyway. I guess that the pragmatic maxim is only a proposal how to make our ideas clearer, in order to be able to talk more

Aw: Re: CP2.230 (1910) ] Systems of Meaning was Re: [PEIRCE-L] 123, abc

2017-08-12 Thread Helmut Raulien
John, List, the plot type is a sign type, but is it a sign? Or are only the tokens signs, because only they are perceived? Like a book that is read. And is the book only a sign when it is being read, because only then it is interpreted, and when it is closed, it sort of sleeps and is not a sign?

Aw: Re: CP2.230 (1910) ] Systems of Meaning was Re: [PEIRCE-L] 123, abc

2017-08-11 Thread Helmut Raulien
Jerry, List,   I think, that the main difference between a sytem and a sign is, that a system can sleep (in the sense of dreamless sleep). A system, I think, is defined by the part of it´s structure, that does not change. The system exists as long as this part of structure (set of relations)