Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2012-02-02 Thread Gary Richmond
Peter, Stephen, list, Peter, you wrote: PS: I am a little surprised at the lack of follow-up from the list to Steve's suggestions, below. I do not personally have any opinion regarding the prospect of Peirceans forming a new generation of public intellectuals, but this is a theme that I recall

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2012-01-30 Thread Skagestad, Peter
Dear Steven, No, your observation is not redundant, and it is very much to the point. Familiarity may generate trust, which in turn facilitates discussion. Also, if your discussion partners are restricted to those who share your assumptions and your interests, you can probe more deeply into

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2012-01-29 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, There have been some related developments occurring in the mathematical community lately. It is beyond my powers to summarize the issues, so here are just a couple of recent links that may serve to give onlookers a hint of what's afoot:

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2012-01-18 Thread Skagestad, Peter
Thanks. I have not had a chance to read it yet, but it certainly looks relevant. Peter From: C S Peirce discussion list [PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU] on behalf of Gary Richmond [richmon...@lagcc.cuny.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:05 PM To:

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2012-01-18 Thread Jon Awbrey
Looks interesting ... I created a topic for Peirce — http://www.researchgate.net/topic/Charles_Sanders_Peirce/ I can nominate any other curators who will serve if nominated ... Jon -- facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/JonnyCache inquiry list: http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/ mwb:

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2012-01-18 Thread Gary Richmond
Jon, List, This is a great idea, Jon. Please nominate me for this topic. Best, Gary On 1/18/12, Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net wrote: Looks interesting ... I created a topic for Peirce — http://www.researchgate.net/topic/Charles_Sanders_Peirce/ I can nominate any other curators who will

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2012-01-17 Thread Skagestad, Peter
Just a note to let everybody know that I am alive and well and I have not forgotten about this slow read. I have been away and otherwise engaged two weekends in a row, which has put me somewhat behind. I should get back on track in the next few days. Cheers, Peter

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2012-01-17 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Here's something directly relevant to this paper that i just spotted in the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/17/science/open-science-challenges-journal-tradition-with-web-collaboration.html?_r=1nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha26 Gary F. -Original Message- Sent: January-17-12

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2012-01-06 Thread Gary Richmond
Peter, List, Thanks for this post, and especially for your intriguing questions. I also am not familiar with arXiv beyond Joe's discussion of it, so I haven't much to say about Ginsparg's system as such. I am, however, attending a dinner party this Saturday with a colleague-friend, the physicist

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2011-12-16 Thread Skagestad, Peter
Ben, Thank you for your comments, which I have been chewing on. I wish I had some insightful responses, but this is all I come up with. You wrote: “I find it very hard to believe that the second computer revolution could have very easily failed to take place soon enough after the first one,

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2011-12-16 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I shall with fear and trembling venture a short explanation of the movement to cyberfy the world. It signaled the end, bitter and ongoing, of oil and the car. The PC became the new car, with requisite lingo about speed and so forth. And availability to all. It was a market force toward the

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2011-12-16 Thread Skagestad, Peter
Gary, This may, as you note, be tangential to the present discussion, but it is ceertainly of intrinsic interest, and I hope to find time to catch up on this literature in the not too distant future. Peter From: Gary Richmond [richmon...@lagcc.cuny.edu]

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2011-12-16 Thread Benjamin Udell
Peter, list, Thanks for your response. The augmentationist vision itself in its essence does not seem a conceptually difficult one. In the 1970s I had some amateur notion of it though I knew nothing of practical developments in IA. Without the initial government funding and without the early

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2011-12-16 Thread Eugene Halton
Ben Udell asked: ...So, my question, which I find I have trouble posing clearly, is, granting that IA involves an extension of mind in its abilities/competences as well as its cognitions, does it much extend volition and feeling (including emotion)? In my view it clearly does,

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2011-12-16 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
I must say that I share Eugene's concern. It seems to me that modern computing technology is less Intelligence Augmentation and more a poorly contrived manipulation of intelligence, not all of which has a beneficial effect and none of the effects of which are well understood. Indeed, when I

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2011-12-16 Thread Gary Richmond
Steven, Gene, Ben, Peter, List, IA as contributing to the possibility of actual intelligence augmentation is a mere goal of such visionary thinkers as Engelbart, Technology is a tool that can be used wisely or poorly, as several have already noted. My friends who teach in some of the better

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2011-12-13 Thread Skagestad, Peter
Gary, Thank you for those thoughtful and informative comments. I was interested to hear of your interactions with Engelbart, and that I may have sparked an interest in Peirce on his part. Generally, though, I do not see anything that requires any direct comment from me, except to note that I

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2011-12-11 Thread Gary Richmond
Sorry, one major error: in the 4th paragraph beginning, For example, I wrote those non-constraints on matter which Peirce calls 'habits'. The non- shouldn't be there. GR Gary Richmond 12/11/11 3:05 PM Peter, Gary F., Jon, List, I'm sorry it took a little while to respond to your message,

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2011-12-04 Thread Skagestad, Peter
Gary, Yes, I agree; that is explicit enough. Thanks for digging this up. Peter From: C S Peirce discussion list [PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU] on behalf of Gary Fuhrman [g...@gnusystems.ca] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:19 PM To:

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2011-12-04 Thread Skagestad, Peter
Gary, Just a couple of comments. In my view Peirce and Turing play analogous roles in some respects but not in others. Turing directly influenced the evolution of AI and articulated - whether in jest or in earnest - the computational model of the mind later embraced and abandoned by Putnam,

[peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2011-12-03 Thread Skagestad, Peter
I am now opening the slow read of Joe Ransdell’s paper ‘The Relevance of Peircean Semiotic to Computational Intelligence Augmentation’, the final paper in this slow read series. I realize that Steven’s slow read is still in progress, but we have had overlapping reads before. Since we are

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2011-12-03 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Peter, re the question you raise here ... JR: “In developing Skagestad’s conception further in the direction indicated I also ground this in Peirce’s dictum, but I do so by making explicit a different (but complementary) implication of the same Peircean dictum, namely that all thought is

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

2011-12-03 Thread Gary Richmond
Peter, list, I began my paper, Trikonic Inter-Enterprise Architectonic, http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/richmond/trikonic_architectonic.pdf thus: Peter Skagestad in “'The Mind's Machines: The Turing Machine, the Memex, and the Personal Computer” considers the history of Artificial