Re: [peirce-l] Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And Computation

2012-02-15 Thread Jon Awbrey 

Stephen, Steven, and All ...

Well, I feel like I've made my share of Old College (Big Ten) Tries since the 
early 70s,
and I keep trying to think of ways to get the basics across that don't just 
repeat all
the fumbles of the last dozen years -- those of you who spent any time on the 
SUO List,
or the various other complexity, cybernetics, ontology, semantic web, etc. 
lists, not
to mention Wikipedia, please, will probably have a taste of what I'm talking 
about --
but there may be only a finite number of ways to enumerate the elements, and so 
some
repetition will be unavoidable.

Jon

Stephen C. Rose wrote:

I think one key to this is to create arguments that are comprehensible to
people like me.  I do not mean that they should not be mathematical, etc.,
only that they be applicable generally, universally. I am a case study in
mathematical inability, vastly more the case than anything you can imagine.
But my grasp of the triadic is just as tangibe as if I could understand
Fermat or whoever. Triadic thinking is culturally and intellectually
relevant to everything there is. We need to find more ways of buttressing
the philosophical salience of triadic thinking. Regards, S

*ShortFormContent at Blogger* 



On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Steven Ericsson-Zenith wrote:


Dear Jon,

I do understand the frustration, but I am hopeful that I may yet change
things.

This is one of at least two presentations that I will be making during my
visit to Europe. [GA] I am open to other invitations in Europe while I am
traveling [/GA] :-)

The second presentation (though it is first chronologically) will be at
the Isaac Newton Institute event "The Incomputable," a week earlier.
Reading through the abstracts I think you will find one or two fellow
travelers. My own contribution has just been revised in the light of this
CiE presentation, see:

   Computing With Structure
   http://iase.info/computing-with-structure

Obviously, I am hoping that the combination of the two presentations may
stir things up. If I can convincingly show the potential to build machines
and inform biophysics with the model then we start to get somewhere.

We need cheerleaders for the cause ... :-)

With respect,
Steven


--
   Dr. Steven Ericsson-Zenith
   Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering
   http://iase.info


On Feb 14, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote:


Steven,

Having only your abstract to go on, I can certainly recognize
perennial themes out of Peirce's school, but they have been just
as perennially met with incomprehension as they have been brought
to the general lack of attention.  Most notable among those themes
is no doubt the irreducibility of triadic relations, a formal fact
that flies in the face of naive reductionism and nominal thinking,
no matter how often the fashion in philosophy will resort to them.
Then again, having exhausted several decades trying to get these
basic facts across, what can I do but repeat what you recited?

| The criticism which I make on that algebra of dyadic relations …
| is that the very triadic relations which it does not recognize
| it does itself employ.  For every combination of relatives to
| make a new relative is a triadic relation irreducible to
| dyadic relations.
|
| Charles Sanders Peirce, Letter to Victoria Welby, October, 1904

Steven Ericsson-Zenith wrote:

Dear List,
I am giving a presentation at CiE 2012 in Cambridge (England) in June

that may interest list members:  Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And
Computation, A History

http://iase.info/conceptions-of-locality-in-logic-and-computat
Your review welcome. With respect,
Steven
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 Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering
 http://iase.info


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Re: [peirce-l] Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And Computation

2012-02-15 Thread Stephen C. Rose 
I think one key to this is to create arguments that are comprehensible to
people like me.  I do not mean that they should not be mathematical, etc.,
only that they be applicable generally, universally. I am a case study in
mathematical inability, vastly more the case than anything you can imagine.
But my grasp of the triadic is just as tangibe as if I could understand
Fermat or whoever. Triadic thinking is culturally and intellectually
relevant to everything there is. We need to find more ways of buttressing
the philosophical salience of triadic thinking. Regards, S

*ShortFormContent at Blogger* 



On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Steven Ericsson-Zenith wrote:

> Dear Jon,
>
> I do understand the frustration, but I am hopeful that I may yet change
> things.
>
> This is one of at least two presentations that I will be making during my
> visit to Europe. [GA] I am open to other invitations in Europe while I am
> traveling [/GA] :-)
>
> The second presentation (though it is first chronologically) will be at
> the Isaac Newton Institute event "The Incomputable," a week earlier.
> Reading through the abstracts I think you will find one or two fellow
> travelers. My own contribution has just been revised in the light of this
> CiE presentation, see:
>
>Computing With Structure
>http://iase.info/computing-with-structure
>
> Obviously, I am hoping that the combination of the two presentations may
> stir things up. If I can convincingly show the potential to build machines
> and inform biophysics with the model then we start to get somewhere.
>
> We need cheerleaders for the cause ... :-)
>
> With respect,
> Steven
>
>
> --
>Dr. Steven Ericsson-Zenith
>Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering
>http://iase.info
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote:
>
> > Steven,
> >
> > Having only your abstract to go on, I can certainly recognize
> > perennial themes out of Peirce's school, but they have been just
> > as perennially met with incomprehension as they have been brought
> > to the general lack of attention.  Most notable among those themes
> > is no doubt the irreducibility of triadic relations, a formal fact
> > that flies in the face of naive reductionism and nominal thinking,
> > no matter how often the fashion in philosophy will resort to them.
> > Then again, having exhausted several decades trying to get these
> > basic facts across, what can I do but repeat what you recited?
> >
> > | The criticism which I make on that algebra of dyadic relations …
> > | is that the very triadic relations which it does not recognize
> > | it does itself employ.  For every combination of relatives to
> > | make a new relative is a triadic relation irreducible to
> > | dyadic relations.
> > |
> > | Charles Sanders Peirce, Letter to Victoria Welby, October, 1904
> >
> > Steven Ericsson-Zenith wrote:
> >> Dear List,
> >> I am giving a presentation at CiE 2012 in Cambridge (England) in June
> that may interest list members:  Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And
> Computation, A History
> >> http://iase.info/conceptions-of-locality-in-logic-and-computat
> >> Your review welcome. With respect,
> >> Steven
> >> --
> >>  Dr. Steven Ericsson-Zenith
> >>  Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering
> >>  http://iase.info
> >
> > --
> >
> > academia: http://independent.academia.edu/JonAwbrey
> > inquiry list: http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/
> > mwb: http://www.mywikibiz.com/Directory:Jon_Awbrey
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> > word press blog 2: http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/
>
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Re: [peirce-l] Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And Computation

2012-02-14 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith 
Dear Jon,

I do understand the frustration, but I am hopeful that I may yet change things.

This is one of at least two presentations that I will be making during my visit 
to Europe. [GA] I am open to other invitations in Europe while I am traveling 
[/GA] :-)

The second presentation (though it is first chronologically) will be at the 
Isaac Newton Institute event "The Incomputable," a week earlier. Reading 
through the abstracts I think you will find one or two fellow travelers. My own 
contribution has just been revised in the light of this CiE presentation, see:

Computing With Structure
http://iase.info/computing-with-structure

Obviously, I am hoping that the combination of the two presentations may stir 
things up. If I can convincingly show the potential to build machines and 
inform biophysics with the model then we start to get somewhere. 

We need cheerleaders for the cause ... :-)

With respect,
Steven


--
Dr. Steven Ericsson-Zenith
Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering
http://iase.info







On Feb 14, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote:

> Steven,
> 
> Having only your abstract to go on, I can certainly recognize
> perennial themes out of Peirce's school, but they have been just
> as perennially met with incomprehension as they have been brought
> to the general lack of attention.  Most notable among those themes
> is no doubt the irreducibility of triadic relations, a formal fact
> that flies in the face of naive reductionism and nominal thinking,
> no matter how often the fashion in philosophy will resort to them.
> Then again, having exhausted several decades trying to get these
> basic facts across, what can I do but repeat what you recited?
> 
> | The criticism which I make on that algebra of dyadic relations …
> | is that the very triadic relations which it does not recognize
> | it does itself employ.  For every combination of relatives to
> | make a new relative is a triadic relation irreducible to
> | dyadic relations.
> |
> | Charles Sanders Peirce, Letter to Victoria Welby, October, 1904
> 
> Steven Ericsson-Zenith wrote:
>> Dear List,
>> I am giving a presentation at CiE 2012 in Cambridge (England) in June that 
>> may interest list members:  Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And 
>> Computation, A History
>> http://iase.info/conceptions-of-locality-in-logic-and-computat
>> Your review welcome. With respect,
>> Steven
>> --
>>  Dr. Steven Ericsson-Zenith
>>  Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering
>>  http://iase.info
> 
> -- 
> 
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Re: [peirce-l] Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And Computation

2012-02-14 Thread Jon Awbrey 

Steven,

Having only your abstract to go on, I can certainly recognize
perennial themes out of Peirce's school, but they have been just
as perennially met with incomprehension as they have been brought
to the general lack of attention.  Most notable among those themes
is no doubt the irreducibility of triadic relations, a formal fact
that flies in the face of naive reductionism and nominal thinking,
no matter how often the fashion in philosophy will resort to them.
Then again, having exhausted several decades trying to get these
basic facts across, what can I do but repeat what you recited?

| The criticism which I make on that algebra of dyadic relations …
| is that the very triadic relations which it does not recognize
| it does itself employ.  For every combination of relatives to
| make a new relative is a triadic relation irreducible to
| dyadic relations.
|
| Charles Sanders Peirce, Letter to Victoria Welby, October, 1904

Steven Ericsson-Zenith wrote:

Dear List,

I am giving a presentation at CiE 2012 in Cambridge (England) in June that may interest list members:  


Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And Computation, A History
http://iase.info/conceptions-of-locality-in-logic-and-computat

Your review welcome. 


With respect,
Steven


--
Dr. Steven Ericsson-Zenith
Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering
http://iase.info


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Re: [peirce-l] Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And Computation, A History

2012-02-14 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith 
Dear Irving,

The answer is "maybe." I have not spent enough time with Lesniewski's work to 
say at this point, it's certainly relevant. This and Tarski's work on 
cylindrical logic are only recently upon my horizon and I am not confident that 
I will have anything useful to say about either in June.

With respect,
Steven

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Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering
http://iase.info







On Feb 14, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Irving wrote:

> 
> Steven,
> 
> I only very quickly scanned the abstract that you linked to, and would
> ask: With mereology characterized as a theory of collective sets (in
> opposition to the Cantorian notion of set), and with collective sets
> defined by means of the "part of" relation, such that mereology can be
> described as a theory of this relation; How relevant might Lesniewski's
> mereology be to this discussion, along with all of the other logicians
> you mention, besides Peirce and Schöder?
> 
> Irving
> - Message from ste...@iase.us -
>   Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:48:23 -0800
>   From: Steven Ericsson-Zenith 
> Reply-To: Steven Ericsson-Zenith 
> Subject: Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And Computation, A History
> To: PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
> 
> 
>> Dear List,
>> 
>> I am giving a presentation at CiE 2012 in Cambridge (England) in June
>> that may interest list members:
>> 
>> Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And Computation, A History
>> http://iase.info/conceptions-of-locality-in-logic-and-computat
>> 
>> Your review welcome.
>> 
>> With respect,
>> Steven
>> 
>> 
>> --
>>  Dr. Steven Ericsson-Zenith
>>  Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering
>>  http://iase.info
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Re: [peirce-l] Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And Computation, A History

2012-02-14 Thread Irving 

Steven,

I only very quickly scanned the abstract that you linked to, and would
ask: With mereology characterized as a theory of collective sets (in
opposition to the Cantorian notion of set), and with collective sets
defined by means of the "part of" relation, such that mereology can be
described as a theory of this relation; How relevant might Lesniewski's
mereology be to this discussion, along with all of the other logicians
you mention, besides Peirce and Schöder?

Irving
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Dear List,

I am giving a presentation at CiE 2012 in Cambridge (England) in June
that may interest list members:

Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And Computation, A History
http://iase.info/conceptions-of-locality-in-logic-and-computat

Your review welcome.

With respect,
Steven


--
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Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering
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[peirce-l] Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And Computation, A History

2012-02-13 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith 
Dear List,

I am giving a presentation at CiE 2012 in Cambridge (England) in June that may 
interest list members:  

Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And Computation, A History
http://iase.info/conceptions-of-locality-in-logic-and-computat

Your review welcome. 

With respect,
Steven


--
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Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering
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