[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-10-04 Thread Bill Bailey
Gene, Let me say first of all, that I meant to specifically reject that Hobbesonian notion of man in a state of nature, man as feral, and to affirm that the state of nature for the human is to be socialized and languagized. Looking back upon what I wrote, I think it must have been the

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-10-03 Thread Kirsti Määttänen
Dear Gene, 28.9.2006 kello 07:59, Eugene Halton kirjoitti: If I understand your criticism that the social should not be excluded from the method of tenacity, you are saying that much research today goes on under Darwin-like survival of the fittest rules: research by tenacity in a competitive

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-10-01 Thread Bill Bailey
Gary: How Emersonian. As I said, I am too ignorant to make pronouncements on Peirce. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that Peirce was a man of his times--and that he obviously spent too much time with Emerson's godson. :=) Should you find any Swedenborgian passages in Peirce, please don't

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-30 Thread gnusystems
Bill, list, In addition to the story of Genie, there's plenty of evidence in developmental psychology that reasoning, and indeed language, is a social phenomenon. I'd mention Vygotsky and Tomasello, but then i'd have to leave out all the others. I'm surprised to see this part of your message

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-30 Thread Bill Bailey
Gary: This is not the venue for debating the similarities and contrasts between traditional Occident and Orient. I'll respond as briefly as I can, and we can proceed through personal e-mails if you like. First, an agreement: if you abstract all particularity--an example would be Huxley's The

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-30 Thread Gary Richmond
Bill and Gary, Bill Bailey wrote: This is not the venue for debating the similarities and contrasts between traditional Occident and Orient. However, Gary's comment that he sees a close parallel to Peirce's ideal of scientific method (or of the motivation for it) in the bodhisattva ideal

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-30 Thread Bill Bailey
Gary R. The bhodisattva relinquishes escape from the great wheel of death and birth and union with the Absolute to help others achieve enlightenment. Thus the bhodisattva is reborn again and again into the world of suffering with no reward except doing the work. About the only western

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-29 Thread Jim Piat
Dear Joe, I agree with your characterization of the scientific method as including the distinctive elements of the other three. You have clarified the issue in a way that is very helpful to me. I agree as well thattakenindividually each of the lst three methods(tenacity, authority and

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-29 Thread Jim Piat
--- unaccustomed as I am to public digressions Best wishes, Jim Piat - Original Message - From: Bill Bailey To: Peirce Discussion Forum Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: What "fundamental psychological laws" is Peirce referring to?

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-29 Thread Bill Bailey
ge - From: Bill Bailey To: Peirce Discussion Forum Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: What "fundamental psychological laws" is Peirce referring to? Jim, Joe, List: This discussion brought to mind the co

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-29 Thread Jim Piat
Bill, I included some comments in the middle -- Jim, I'd be the first to characterize the reports on the feral children as "iffy." But have you read the account of "Genie"? She was aCalifornia child who was kept in isolation in an upstairs room, strapped for hour to a potty

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-29 Thread Jim Piat
Dear Joe, What you say below is all very interesting to me. I hope you do give another go at writing up how lst three methodsexemplify some of the major ways in which our problem solving goes astray. I think the three methods (while each having an attractive virtue) if used exclusively or

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-28 Thread Jim Piat
Dear Folks, I notice that Peirces lst three methods of fixing believe are part of the fourth or scientific method.Science is basically a method that gathers multiplebeliefs and combines them with reason to produce warranted belief. Individual belief (without resort to any authority other

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-28 Thread Jim Piat
Dear Folks, Part of what I'm trying to say is that its not as though the scientific method were an entirely independent alternative to the other three methods. On the contrary the scientific method is built upon and incorporates the other three methods. The lst threeare not discredited

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-28 Thread Joseph Ransdell
inguishing the same factors, except that I use the publication of the resulting research claim as the place in the process where these factors show up as essential aspects of the claim made. Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message ----From: Jim Piat [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Peirce Discussion Foru

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-28 Thread Joseph Ransdell
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[peirce-l] Re: What fundamental psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-27 Thread Eugene Halton
Kirsti Mtt��nen kirstima at saunalahti.fi writes: Dear Eugene, Thanks for an inspiring mail. The idea of a progressively broadening social conception I find a very fruitful one, enriching the idea of a logical ordering. This, together with your exhilarating thought-experiment with