[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Benjamin Udell
Joe, Bernard, Wilfred, list, _Magno cum grano salis_ it is, then. The content of the 10-chotomy on which I got my paws is very suggestive, beginning with the sign's own phenomenological category and ending with a trichotomy of _assurances_ of instinct, experience, and form, i.e., as at an inqui

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, list, You wrote: Actually, the way I in which I checked was by literally flipping Robert Marty's diagram around in PowerPoint That is to say, by diagram manipulation and observation leading to fresh insight, an abduction regarding relations--exactly what Peirce sees as the value of diagra

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Frances Kelly
Frances to listers... As posited by Peirce under speculative grammatics, it is clear enough to me that the classes of immediate object signs are qualisigns and sinsigns and legisigns, and that the classes of dynamic object signs are icons and indexes and symbols, and that the various interpretant

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, list, By now you've received my completed and corrected message which omits the request for the not-simplified lattice version of my trikonic diagram of the 10 classes (since I very much like your simplified form which I included in the revised message) and adds analytical content. For ri

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Joe, list, I want to correct something in my last post which could cause confusion. I wrote: That Peirce apparently included this triangular on the back of a letter which included a very tentative presentation of his very different 10 trichotomies of signs has I think resulted in confusing tha

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Gary:   Sorry for the confusion of the ten classes with the ten trichotomies.  I didn't read your message carefully enough.  I have no problem with that and there is no need to respond further to it.   Joe - Original Message - From: Gary Richmond To: Peirce Discussion F

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Joe, By now you've read my corrected and completed post so that I hope some of what you asked is addressed in that corrected post. Just a point or so more for now. You wrote: Would you mind reposting the diagram you refer to below? It is my trikonic diagram of the 10 classes of signs whi

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Frances: In view of what I was just now relating to Ben, I would have to regard the sort of enterprise you speculate about below as a timewaster of monumental proportions, promising to generate word salad that startle even the inmates at Bedlam, given that it would be based on an unreliable und

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Claudio, Ben, Robert, Bernard, Joe, list, First, sorry for sending out that last incomplete message by mistake. Claudio, so good to see you on the list again. I too am pleased to see all the diagrammatic discussion and especially some of Ben's abductions relating diagrams (for example the one

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Frances Kelly
Frances to listers... The broad theme of this topic and its leading threads is a subject that remains intriguingly foggy for me. At the core of my haze perhaps is the forced application of categorics upon semiotics, yet with synechastics lurking in the wings. In my attempt to wrestle with the many

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Gary: Would you mind reposting the diagram you refer to below? I don't recall what was said about that at that time but I think it important to get clear on what can and cannot legitimately be imputed to Peirce, and the absence of availability of the relevant MS material is important to bear i

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben asks:   "My basic question here is whether these structural relations are correct or whether the ordering of the trichotomies "I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X" is correct."   REPLY: The MS material in the logic notebook (MS 339) shows quite clearly that Peirce did not regard hims

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Claudio, Ben, Robert, Bernard, Joe, list, Claudio, so goo to see you on list. I too am pleased to see all the diagrammatic discussion and especially some of Ben's abductions relating diagrams (one I believe he hasn't posted yet, but which I hope he will, shows a possible correspondence between

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Bernard Morand
Ben and list, Professional duties don't let me time enough to enter now in this very interesting discussion. Just some words: I think that the list of divisions from I to X  has to be ordered differently and may be that several orderings are conceivable. This is something about which Peirce sc

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Benjamin Udell
Various corrections. Sorry about that.   Also, anybody replying, please remember to delete all unneeded graphics and text. - Ben ---   Gary R., Robert, Bernard, Wilfred, Claudio, List,  I thought I'd try to the branching style chart of Peirce's ten-adic division of sign paramet

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary R., Robert, Bernard, Wilfred, Claudio, List,  I thought I'd try to the branching style chart of Peirce's ten-adic division of sign parameters. (These parameters are not mutually independent). I supposed that the same formal relations applied as with the main three trichotomies of parame