Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

2016-10-01 Thread Helmut Raulien
Ben, Gary, list, For an example of hypotheses that remain uncertain I want to mention hypotheses whose conclusions are not yet existing facts, but viabilities in the future. Like: "So this will work: .", like keynesianism in economics, or political decisions meant to solve certain problems.

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

2016-10-01 Thread John Collier
I assume Peirce is distinguishing from Cartesian doubt. Genuine doubt has a reason (or at least prima facie reason) for the doubt. Doubt based on mere possibilities of something being false is not genuine doubt. John Collier Emeritus Professor and Senior Research Associate Philosophy,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

2016-10-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
I left one point murky; what I had failed to see clearly, until Jon S.'s remarks, was that 5.189 can't be regarded as a version, the best as Jerry R. has been urging, or otherwise, of the pragmatic maxim. - Best, Ben On 10/1/2016 11:20 AM, Benjamin Udell wrote: Jon S., Gary R., list, Jon,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

2016-10-01 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben wrote: "5.189 can't be regarded as a version, the best as Jerry R. has been urging, or otherwise, of the pragmatic maxim." Exactly. As Jon made clear, 5.189 has its value in critical logic and ought not be conflated with the PM. I have found Jerry's near obsession with 5.189 off putting so

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

2016-10-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary R., list, "Good" is traditionally taken as meaning "valid" or "justified" when applied to an inference. Valid deductions can conclude in falsehoods by vice of falsehood among the premisses, and we can see both critical and methodeutical kinds of justification of an abductive inference

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

2016-10-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
Jon S., Gary R., list, Jon, you wrote, CP 5.189 can and does produce hypotheses that "explain the facts," yet are /not/ "capable of experimental verification," and thus are /not/ admissible for subsequent deductive explication and inductive evaluation. In other words, an abduction

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

2016-10-01 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, Jon, List, Ben, you commented: "An abductive inference may be good and successful in terms of the economics of inquiry, even if it turns out to conclude in a falsehood, if it nevertheless helps research by either making it positively fruitful (think of all the hypotheses that positively

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

2016-10-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
Jon S., Gary R., Jerry R., list, I left one point murky; what I had failed to see clearly, until Jon S.'s remarks, was that 5.189 can't be regarded as a version, the best as Jerry R. has been urging, or otherwise, of the pragmatic maxim. - Best, Ben On 10/1/2016 11:20 AM, Benjamin Udell

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Principles of Classification?

2016-10-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Mike, List: Alas, as I anticipated, there was no further discussion of principles of classification in R 1343. There were some fragments of alternative drafts of the portion that I already excerpted, but they did not seem different enough to warrant typing up and posting. I was also quite

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

2016-10-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Ben U., Gary R., List: You have both made some great points today. Peirce clearly considered economy of research to be an important purpose of methodeutic or speculative (i.e., theoretical) rhetoric. He even advocated, under certain circumstances, admitting a hypothesis that we *expect *to fail

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

2016-10-01 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, List, Thanks for this clarification. You wrote: Researchers need to be able to state that a hypothesis has been ruled out in plain enough words to keep communication clear because the scientific method is the inquiry method that, by its own account, can go wrong as well as right. They don't

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

2016-10-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
Jon S., list, Thanks, but I need to correct myself. I wrote, the scientific method is the inquiry method that, by its own account, can go wrong as well as right [End quote] I should say instead that the scientific method is the inquiry method in which inquiry, by its own account, can

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

2016-10-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary R., list, I agree, a hypothesis may be uncertain yet still be helpful, although it's important for a contrite fallibilism in any science that the uncertainty, possible errors, etc., be examined and expressed. - Best, Ben On 10/1/2016 12:53 PM, Gary Richmond wrote: Ben, List, Thanks

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Inquiry involving 'potential populations', was, PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

2016-10-01 Thread Jerry Rhee
Hi Gary, list: I suppose you could think of that potential population as *movement of the community* where: *“Negative to negative is not change…* *change from the negative into the positive… is generation…* *change from positive to negative is destruction…* *only the change from positive