[PEN-L:785] Re: Re: I told you so.

1998-11-01 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Penners, I thought Tom's answer to Doug's apposite question a very good one - although his closing prognosis is just a tad moot. Methinks the austerity+bail-out strategy regarding benighted South America might make trouble long before the four months Tom allows. If the impact is not

[PEN-L:786] Why my name is indivisible

1998-11-01 Thread valis
Quoth Tom W, America's favorite literary expatriate: Valis tricked or treated, Great rap, Tom, but you'd have to swallow a python and barf tofu patties ... Bring on the pythons, Val, I feel a wave of nausea sprouting. {Choke} So do I. "Val"?! "V-a-l"?!!! Regardez, Tom (with apologies

[PEN-L:787] Zulu and Sioux

1998-11-01 Thread Louis Proyect
(This is the concluding chapter of James O. Gump's "The Dust Rose Like Smoke: The Subjugation of the Zulu and the Sioux, U. of Nebraska, 1994) In a final effort to open the South African frontier, the Zulu staged a rebellion against the imposition of a poll tax in 1906. The new tax came on the

[PEN-L:791] Re: Re: I told you so.

1998-11-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Tom Walker wrote: Last I heard, though, one quarter of the world's economy was in recession. A recession is not a crisis. If millions of Brazilians took to the streets and said "Fuck the IMF," and a score of Latin and Asian countries formed a debtors' cartel and defaulted in sympathy, then that

[PEN-L:794] re re defining poverty

1998-11-01 Thread Frank Durgin
In my posting "re redefining poverty "(PEN l 720 10/28/98), I attempted to illustrate how miserly the official definition of poverty is. In the course of explaining the Census Bureau's methodology, I mistakenly stated that the Census Bureau uses the cost of the USDA's current year "emergency

[PEN-L:795] Re: economics of religion III

1998-11-01 Thread valis
Quoth Doug, in part: Of course, there are some "leftists" who are trying to reach out to the likes of Gary Bauer (see the Sept/Oct Mother Jones for an example), who is running something called the Campaign for Working Families. No doubt the New Party, Acorn, Democratic Party hacks, and

[PEN-L:793] Income disparities and economic crises

1998-11-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] [130.179.16.47]
In support of some of the discussion of the crisis of distribution both here and on the PKT semimar list with Jamie Galbraith's _Created Unequal_, I offer the following that appeeared in the Winnipeg Free Press, Oct. 30, '98. "MDs prescribe better pay for the poor" "Meagre wages linked to lousy

[PEN-L:796] Re: Re: Re: I told you so.

1998-11-01 Thread Louis Proyect
A recession is not a crisis. If millions of Brazilians took to the streets and said "Fuck the IMF," and a score of Latin and Asian countries formed a debtors' cartel and defaulted in sympathy, then that would be a crisis. If the U.S. dollar crashed and foreigners started calling in their loans,

[PEN-L:797] Why valis is One

1998-11-01 Thread valis
Once again Tom W, challenged to be clever, delivers in spades: I hope I haven't perturbed your armillaries too much. I see your point about being indivisible. Who would want to be a Half Vast Active Living Intelligence System (HVALIS)? I suppose that on a slack Sunday the further waste of

[PEN-L:790] Is the Crisis over?

1998-11-01 Thread michael
I agree with Rob and Tom. Previously, the high stock prices were supposed to be symptomatic of a persistent bubble. The Wall Street Journal had an article the other day suggesting that a soft landing was very difficult. So now, the crisis is supposed to be over, because stock prices have

[PEN-L:800] Re: Zulu and Sioux3.0.3.32.19981029194235.00730660@popserver.panix.com

1998-11-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Patrick Bond: Louis, the SA information is interesting (and some of it new to me) but I don't get a couple of things here. First, why the comparison of these two peoples? A marxist approach would surely locate such processes of resistance and cooptation within a mode of production and

[PEN-L:789] Re: Why my name is indivisible

1998-11-01 Thread Tom Walker
V.A.L.I.S. reprimanded, VALIS (acronym of Vast Active Living Intell- igence System from an American film): A perturbation in the reality field in which a spontaneous self-monitoring negentropic vortex is formed, tending progressively to subsume

[PEN-L:788] Re: Zulu and Sioux

1998-11-01 Thread Patrick Bond
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 09:10:07 -0500 (This is the concluding chapter of James O. Gump's "The Dust Rose Like Smoke: The Subjugation of the Zulu and the Sioux, U. of Nebraska, 1994) Louis, the SA information is interesting (and some of it new to me) but I don't get a couple of things

[PEN-L:798] Re: Re: economics of religion III

1998-11-01 Thread Doug Henwood
valis wrote: "The Working Families Party"? There is, honestly? Yes there is. It was put together by a group consisting of ex-NYC mayor David Dinkins and some of his cronies, ACORN, the New Party, and some "progressive" union types. It's very similar to electoral vehicles assembled by a similar

[PEN-L:799] Re: Re: Re: Re: I told you so.

1998-11-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: I think the only answer to Doug's tendency to look at the world through rose-tinted glasses is to get him out of Manhattan. Lou, I looked for you in the audience when I was answering your question and couldn't see you, so perhaps you missed my answer. I said that: 1) the

OVERDETERMINATION OF WORLD CRISIS

1998-11-01 Thread Eric Sommer
Hi there, The Socialist planning listserve has elicited great interest from a variety of people and organizations, and will therefore launch within the next two weeks. Meanwhile, I wanted to invite any interested members of this group to subscribe if you wish to our world Crisis Listserve,

[PEN-L:792] Re: Re: The economics of religion

1998-11-01 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard Sara Diamond argue that the footsoldiers of the Christian Coalition are not particularly conservative. Depends on how you define conservative. Their gender politics and notions of morality are almost by definition conservative. Of course, there are some