Louis Proyect wrote:
>The European invasion of the Americas, Africa and Asia destroyed the old
>tributory societies and replaced them with commodity producing plantations
>and mines that were completely destructive.
Undeniably true. What does this mean for politics today?
Doug
In general, the Aztecs
>and Incas ruled with a relatively light hand
>
>Louis Proyect
!
Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
>And the
>internet is largely a 1990s phenomenon.
And, for the masses, about 2 years old. Is a long wave based on 2 years
evidence?
Doug
Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
> Of course when Mandel's book came out was just at the
>end of what most long wavers would say was the last uptick,
>just before the down phase that came in after 1973.
>Whether the new uptick began in the 1980s as Shaikh and
>some others argue or after the rec
I've built a model
of a long wave up cycle generator.
Since nothing out there matches my model,
we're not in an up cycle.
Period.
(For a blueprint of the model send $1 trillion and S.A.S.E)
regards,
Tom Walker
Barkley:
>much of what went on. But where we do have evidence there
>certainly was intertribal warfare and some of it involved
>who could live and hunt where. A major one of course
>involves the changes in who controlled the central valley
>of Mexico regarding which there are historical reco
Doug,
The usual argument is that there are "critical masses"
of a certain technology that bring about qualitative change
in the economy. The steam engine was around after Newcomen
in 1701 but could not be said to qualitatively transform
the economy until it was much improved and much more
Louis,
Of course when Mandel's book came out was just at the
end of what most long wavers would say was the last uptick,
just before the down phase that came in after 1973.
Whether the new uptick began in the 1980s as Shaikh and
some others argue or after the recession of the early 1990s
Charles,
We're getting close enough to a "meeting of the minds"
here that are transactions might be almost not void. Just
a couple of points.
One is that it may well be (I don't know) that the
Dutch actually did not do anything that was unexpected of
them by the Indians they dealt wi
Today I like to initiate some arguments against Frank's thesis
that there was a world economy in 1400-1800 dominated by China.
That Europe suffered a chronic balance of payments deficit versus
Asia throughout this period is a well-established fact. The voyages
of Vasco da Gama and Christopher C
Jim's arguments spur me to remark that there is not
necessarily a conflict between complex dynamics and the
apparent existence of quasi-regular waves or cycles. The
cycles may not exactly repeat themselves, which certainly
opens the door to a less "mechanical" process and one in
which va
Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
>And that political victory has freed up funds for a
>major investment drive in computers and internet systems
>that is now affecting the economy significantly.
Computers have been around for over 50 years, and the microcomputer for 20.
They've been "affecting
Doug,
And that political victory has freed up funds for a
major investment drive in computers and internet systems
that is now affecting the economy significantly. It should
be noted that many of the arguments for the long wave are
not mutually exclusive and can reinforce each other,
alt
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>From what I understand from his co-thinkers, the argument is both
political and technological. It is that productivity has been restored
by the implementation of "lean production" systems, i.e., increased
taylorization and flexibilization has allowed for productivity gains
through mechaniza
Mandel and Trotsky were both pretty clear that 'waves' is a misleading
term, because it implies some kind of frequency and amplitude that there is
no reason to believe in. (This is why Trotsky says he refers to curves, not
waves.)
At the same time, it does seem evident there are long periods of
I was wrong in suggesting that the innoculations I mentioned before were
for smallpox or polio; my parents thought it was "BCG", which is aimed at
TB, tetenus and typhoid. Apologies if I muddied the waters on this question.
Bill Burgess
Jim Devine wrote:
> The usual long-wave argument is that we're starting a
>long-wave upturn because of one of the periodic technological revolutions
>is taking hold.
Shaikh told me that he thought the offensive against labor had succeeded in
cutting wages sufficiently to restore profitability -
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There has recently been a thread on pen-l of some
possible relevance to this discussion. It has had to do
with whether or not the Dutch actually "bought" Manhatten
or not. Most participants don't think so and view the
Dutch as thieves either because the transaction was backed
by milita
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>On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Doug Henwood wrote:
>> Shaikh told me that he thought the offensive against labor had succeeded in
>> cutting wages sufficiently to restore profitability - i.e., a political,
>> not a technological, argument.
At 04:33 PM 2/8/99 -0500, Tavis wrote:
>>From what I understand fro
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First I'll tell you that I have hatred, REAL hatred for all priests & nuns.
I can't sit in the same room as any of them, even almost 50 years later..
When I was small, 8 or 9 I think in boarding school, they hung me by th
So you are saying that Europe accounted for 70% (more or less) of world trade, but
Asia for 65% or so of world production? This does not seem a good argument for Europe
being dominant. Also, I note that your figures are mainly from the end of the period
under discussion. Also, to put these figu
I would also agree that there is a great debate about
causation among those who take long waves seriously, as the
list that Michael Perelman forwarded from the archives by
me lays out. I would suggest that political implications
or conclusions regarding the idea depend on which of those
I want to thank Louis for bringing up Parvus's
priority to van Gelderin in hypothesizing the existence of
long waves. I had read of Parvus's work but had not seen
the reference, even though I actually dug through Mandel
once upon a time. It is also not surprising that he got
the idea f
Jerry,
Gosh, if both Doug and Louis were to be removed from
pen-l then I guess that we would never ever hear from you
again as the only things that you post to this list seem to
be slams on one or the other of them. How tiresome.
Really, Jerry, I know that you are capable of offering
At 10:07 AM 2/8/99 -0800, Sam P. wrote:
>I don't know much about long wave theory, but from the summary accounts
>I've read there is some empirical evidence for it. But, what exactly
>hinges on the existence of long waves? Just the ability to explain and
>predict economic growth?
As a non-believe
For a good skeptical view from a non-marxist but who has a deep respect
for marxian insights see Nathan Rosenberg (and Frischtak) in Exploring the
Black Box.
Anthony P. D'Costa
Associate Professor
Comparative International Development
University of Washington
1900 Commerce Street
Tacoma, WA 98402
I don't know much about long wave theory, but from the summary accounts
I've read there is some empirical evidence for it. But, what exactly
hinges on the existence of long waves? Just the ability to explain and
predict economic growth?
Sam Pawlett
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