I could not answer any better than Ken did. I was also thinking of farmers in Latin
America being booted off their lands and then farming on the hills. Am I blaming
the peasants? Of course not. I was only making the point that increasing their
ability to survive would decrease the pressure
Nordhaus knows more math than the freshman.
Eugene Coyle wrote:
What's the difference between Nordhaus' theory and Freshman NC econ --
"the market will solve the problem"?
Gene Coyle
Michael Perelman wrote:
Nordhaus assumed that there would always be an available "backstop"
Ken, could it be that in the short run that the herbicide knows out more
of the habitat that harbored pests. Wouldn't we have to wait to see
what sort of pests adapt to the environment and then make the determination
about the pesticide use?
Ken Hanly wrote:
Some opponents of GM seeds claim that
Be very careful. The population of the rich grows in two ways: (i)
the rich have lots of children, and (ii) the poor become rich...
do you know that african american women are sterilized at a
significantly higher rate than white women? (according to our sociologist
friend,Andy Austin, 3-4
I began by mentioning the need to control the rich. Brad suggested, if I
understood him correctly, that I might mean that I would like to see the
poor remain poor to minimize the impact of the rich. Then I responded
about the environmental problems associated with extreme poverty. I
absolutely
Louis Proyect wrote:
Mark Jones' alleged raising of the overpopulation question leads us
once
again into a discussion of the Marxist critique of Malthus. I would
refer
PEN-L'ers to Michael Perelman's "Marx's Crises Theory: Scarcity, Labor
and
Finance",
Lou, I agree with the rest of your
How do you mean self-institutionalising?
Just that most Marxists seem to agree that the development of a class for
itself would have to occur outside extant institutions. The theory being
that those extant institutions (including unions) are complicit in the
perpetuation of capitalist
Ken Hanly wrote:
Although I appreciate Jim Devine's argument for higher gas prices
there is a definite income bias involved. The relatively well off
can continue to drive their SUV's etc. while
the lower middle classes will be priced right out of the automobile
market. This saves oil
- Original Message -
From: "Carrol Cox" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 2:09 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:20795] Re: Reply to Carrol Cox
Yes I agree the house is on fire. So what do we do?
stop discussing rock music, waterfalls and brand imagery.
Mark
Unfortunately Rod does not understand what Yoshie is saying. It is simply
wrong to say "the problem is with the social system not with the technical
feasibility." The problem is precisely with technical feasibility and it is
mystification to argue anything else. If you think another social system
Brad deLong wrote:
Ummm
Brad, you may end being known as the man who put the 'um' in
'dumb'. Do you suppose Simon's bet with Ehrlich is safe ground for you
to stand on? You too, simply have no idea what the issue is.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
Max Sawicky wrote:
I just don't believe it. When fossil fuels become
sufficiently expensive, massive efforts will go into
developing alternatives. There will be a lot of money
to be made, coordination problems aside. To me
that's more likely than green consciousness leading
to
London (1830)
Economic pundit X: If the economy continues to grow at its present rate, in
fifty years we will all be buried in ten feet of horse shit.
Rod
--
Rod Hay
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Hi Rob,
Just that most Marxists seem to agree that the development of a class for
itself would have to occur outside extant institutions. The theory being
that those extant institutions (including unions) are complicit in the
perpetuation of capitalist hegemony, and that any policy to advance
Mine:
Lou, I agree with the rest of your post. I should, however, open a small
paranthesis that I don't frankly think that comrade Mark has Marx's
critique of Malthus in his mind when he defends Bartlett, since Bartlett,
is not a Marxist.
The problem is that most, if not all, of the empirical
M A Jones wrote:
Unfortunately Rod does not understand what Yoshie is saying. It is simply
wrong to say "the problem is with the social system not with the technical
feasibility." The problem is precisely with technical feasibility and it is
mystification to argue anything else.
Then do
Greetings Economists,
Chris Burfurd made an interesting reply. During the week I work. When
a good reply comes along I can't get to it as fast as I would like.
However, I will respond in a few days or less. If I had my druthers, I
think Chris is someone I think who could make something
Rod Hay wrote:
London (1830)
Economic pundit X: If the economy continues to grow at its present rate, in
fifty years we will all be buried in ten feet of horse shit.
Look, I've made pretty clear that I think *politically* Lou and Mark are
following a course of mere despair and political
Should we call the help desk in London ?
CB
Please be aware that the Company's electronic mail (email) system has a
built-in content checking
system designed to prevent inappropriate email traffic between Robert
Fleming and the public mail
network.
An email issued with the
Rod had said:
There is no shortage of energy!
))
CB: Right now. But surely not all energies are infinite. How long will there be no
shortage ? Don't we have responsibility to think long term for our species ? If the
shortage will only arise in 100 or 200 years should we be
At 09:41 PM 06/27/2000 -0500, you wrote:
Although I appreciate Jim Devine's argument for higher gas prices
there is a definite income bias involved. The relatively well off can
continue to drive their SUV's etc. while the lower middle classes will be
priced right out of the automobile
... convert us from tree huggers to tree planters;
since a lot of the old trees take decades or centuries to grow (and because
the forestry industry favors quick-growing trees), there's a need to hug
the existing trees _and_ plant new ones.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 10:46AM
Instead, the government should deal with the problem by increasing the
amount and quality of public mass transit drastically, including getting
many more of these natural-gas-driven wheelchair-friendly busses. Much of
the expense can be covered by the gas
I wrote:
Instead, the government should deal with the problem by increasing the
amount and quality of public mass transit drastically, including getting
many more of these natural-gas-driven wheelchair-friendly busses. Much of
the expense can be covered by the gas tax. In general, the idea is
There is a good piece on Krugman by Edward Herman in the most recent
issue of "Z Magazine." Herman thrashes Krugman's own trashing of
left-liberal economists. Especially interesting was Krugman's reliance
on social security "expert," Martin Feldstein. Feldstein's research, as
I am sure most of
At 08:07 AM 28/06/00 -0400, Louis wrote:
Can the capitalist system resolve these [ecological] problems? This is a
theoretical
question that has challenged a wide variety of thinkers. David Harvey's new
book "Justice, Nature, and the Geography of Difference" argues that it can.
Harvey does
From your database of 1, you produced a profound sample, no? Now, however,
let's talk about fossil carbon and what it means and what it does, or else
stop wasting our time.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
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From: "Rod Hay" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
Doyle Saylor wrote:
Greetings Economists,
Doyle, I don't think you should speak of/to the disabled like this.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
Carrol, you keep asking what to do, I'd suggest superglue, go to a power
station in a state of elation, stick yourself to a chimney, then we'll see,
if it's a nuke you stay till you're blue, if it's coal you stay till your
ole, if you wanne be eco n' even more ego, tape yourself to a windmill,
Carrol Cox wrote:
you and Mark, so far as I can tell, have actually persuaded
just one person -- Me! You haven't had the tiniest effect on anyone else
as far as I can see. So what are you going to do with your one single
solitary convert -- you are going to swear at him for saying, let's see
- Original Message -
From: "Lisa Ian Murray" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 4:26 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:20801] Dematerialization, decarbonation, post-capitalism and
the entropy liberation front
to make the larger point that energy
markets are
Charles. The shortage will arise in one million years by which time there will be no
human species as we know it. I say let them fend for themselves.
Rod
Charles Brown wrote:
Rod had said:
There is no shortage of energy!
))
CB: Right now. But surely not all energies are
At 04:36 PM 6/28/00 +0100, you wrote:
Jim, you are such a disappointment to me. "wheelchair-friendly busses"?
Gimme a break. There won't be these kinds of kindly options.
hey, we've got them in Culver City, where I live. The engine is on top of
the bus, so that the passenger compartment is
How do you know it will take that long ?
(By the way, how do you know there will be no human species in one million years ?)
CB
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 12:13PM
Charles. The shortage will arise in one million years by which time there will be no
human species as we know it. I say let them
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 11:38AM
Charles writes: Yes, and what about electric powered vehicles ? Do they
depend on fosssil fuels ultimately ?
Of course, electricity can be generated by solar power, wind power, tidal
power, etc. But the discussion on pen-l concerning this issue strongly
It was not proven false to Feldstein, who keeps writing about the same
stuff.
Michael Yates wrote:
There is a good piece on Krugman by Edward Herman in the most recent
issue of "Z Magazine." Herman thrashes Krugman's own trashing of
left-liberal economists. Especially interesting was
I began by mentioning the need to control the rich. Brad suggested, if I
understood him correctly, that I might mean that I would like to see the
poor remain poor to minimize the impact of the rich.
No. I said that one has to be very careful deploying that kind of
argument because it does run
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 10:46AM
Instead, the government should deal with the problem by increasing the
amount and quality of public mass transit drastically, including getting
many more of these natural-gas-driven wheelchair-friendly busses. Much of
the expense can be covered by the gas
Mark,
I have been watching your sarcasmic criticisms with enthusiasm for two
days. You F many on the list left and right. What can I say? I really
admire your sense of humor. Marxists are generally known to be cool
people. You are truly sarcastic!
sarcastically,
Mine
M A Jones wrote:
Carrol, you keep asking what to do, I'd suggest superglue, go to a power
station in a state of elation, stick yourself to a chimney, then we'll see,
if it's a nuke you stay till you're blue, if it's coal you stay till your
ole, if you wanne be eco n' even more ego, tape
Well if you can't beat them, I guess the next best thing is to become a Marxist
Jeremiah.
By the way if socialists should get their skates on, as Mark Jones proclaims ex
cathedra, won't they be skating on thin ice given global warming?
Actually the results of global warming are imaginable.
At 12:20 AM 6/28/00 +0100, you wrote:
Jim's 5 year old essay on Aspergers Syndrome is a very personal
examination. The biggest qualification that could be made to it, I think,
is the need for a social context. What many members of the intelligentsia
struggle over internally are the
Instead, the government should deal with the problem by increasing
the amount and quality of public mass transit drastically, including
getting many more of these natural-gas-driven wheelchair-friendly
busses. Much of the expense can be covered by the gas tax. In
general, the idea is to move
During WW II in the war in the Pacific, one of the most horrendous battles
was fought over the island of Tarawa. Death in great numbers came to both
sides. Tarawa is now beneath the Pacific ocean, a casualty of global warming.
Gene Coyle
30,000 people live on Tarawa. The expected high
If there really is an emergency and people are convinced of that I don't see
why rationing
would not work. While I agree that public transportation should be supported,
as long as the
rich don't use it they will use their influence and power to sabotage attempts
to subsidize a system they do not
Oh Carrol get with the programme. You are to organize all the True
Believers and take them off to Jonestown
--
Rod Hay
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52 Eby Street South
Louis Proyect wrote:
In any case, until Marxism has debated out and resolved these questions, it
will not be able to maximize its influence on the intelligentsia. I want to
stress the importance, by the way, of who our target audience is. It is not
the working-class at this point. It is a
Ken In addition, it might be useful to ban auto traffic in high density areas. It
would be difficult, but worth a debate in our major cities. My local paper this
morning predicts 60 to 70 extra deaths this summer (in a city of about half a
million) due to air pollution. Properly handled this
Doug wrote:
What
I'm not clear on is what exactly this socialist revolution would mean
for industrial and agricultural practice, energy sources, the
transformation of the built environment, living arrangements, etc.
This is exactly the issue. The point is not to be original, the point is to
Eugene Coyle wrote:
MA Jones seems to be changing his position. On the one hand he
says we are
running out of oil and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
So What's to
organize?
What does this mean? That you prefer to inhabit a world of illusion on
condition that illusory organising
Michael Perelman wrote:
We do not have the infrastructure in place to produce enough solar or
wind yet.
We never will, either. There is no alternative to the petroleum economy and
it is irresponsible fantasising to suggest that there is.
Mark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 08:26AM
M A Jones wrote:
Unfortunately Rod does not understand what Yoshie is saying. It is simply
wrong to say "the problem is with the social system not with the technical
feasibility." The problem is precisely with technical feasibility and it is
I wrote:
I find your e-missives to be useless. Therefore, I've instructed the
Eudora program to automatically transfer them to the trash bin. I
recommend that others do so, too.
Doug writes:
Hmm, not very promising for "ORGANISING"!
It's kind of hard to organize people around catastrophe.
Actually, the 'cadre' of the Seattle demonstrators were organized in
response to what they see as a looming catastrophe. Mark, John Foster and
I are trying to develop a theoretical alternative to the kind of deep
ecology beliefs that moved them into action. It boils down to Marxism
versus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 02:06PM
Carrol Cox wrote:
You have a really fine political mind -- but you are almost
deliberately trashing it. Anyone who takes you and Mark
really seriously can only conclude that further political
theorizing or organizing is pointless. The world is over.
Forget
Carrol,
There is no split between me and Jose Perez.
As for astrology guides as alternatives to bus timetables, that may not be
irrational. In parts of the UK, you could get arrested for loitering if you
stood around at a bus stop waiting for a bus, after Mrs Thatcher privatised
public
Carrol Cox wrote:
You have a really fine political mind -- but you are almost
deliberately trashing it. Anyone who takes you and Mark
really seriously can only conclude that further political
theorizing or organizing is pointless. The world is over.
Forget it. Let's go to the movies.
That's not
A mainstream source on environmental regulation..
Mine
Volume 2, Review 1, 1996
http://csf.colorado.edu/wsystems/jwsr.html
ISSN 1076-156X
World Resources Institute. WORLD RESOURCES 1994-95: A GUIDE TO
THE GLOBAL ENVIRONMENT. New York: Oxford University
At 03:44 PM 6/28/00 -0400, you wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 03:10PM
In addition to the content, we should be conscious of the style used in
preaching.
__
CB: But if you were convinced of all the content of what Mark is saying,
do you mean you would not support him in this
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 03:10PM
In addition to the content, we should be conscious of the style used in
preaching.
__
CB: But if you were convinced of all the content of what Mark is saying, do you mean
you would not support him in this discussion because he has a had a poor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 02:57PM
Jim Devine wrote:
I find your e-missives to be useless. Therefore, I've instructed the
Eudora program to automatically transfer them to the trash bin. I
recommend that others do so, too.
Hmm, not very promising for "ORGANISING"!
It's kind of hard to
Journal of World-Systems Research
Volume 3, Number 3 (Fall 1997)
http://csf.colorado.edu/wsystems/jwsr.html
ISSN 1076-156X
World-system Studies of the Environment
by
This is like the history of the Soviet Union, deja vu.
CB
Workers of the West, it's our turn.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 03:18PM
Let's suppose an unlikely event: the Japanese working class rise up
make a socialist revolution (of some kind). What would it mean to
energy sources,
From the World Bank's Development News, June 21, 2000
ILO REPORT SAYS GLOBALIZATION CAUSES JOB LOSSES
Increasing trade liberalization and the effects of globalization
have
resulted in job losses and less secure work arrangements, the
International Labor Organization said in a study
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Let's suppose an unlikely event: the Japanese working class rise up
make a socialist revolution (of some kind). The rest of the imperial
world, condemning the expropriation of Japanese other expropriators,
swiftly puts an embargo on Japan to
Charles It is not a matter of faith. It is a simple calculation. Amount
of energy available minus amount used by humans in the course of their
history. The result if a very large positive number. We are not going to
run out of energy.
Alternatives to internal combustion engines are technological
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
the Japanese working class rise up
make a socialist revolution (of some kind). ... The US...
The Japs would bomb NY with MIRV'ed Citizen watches and other precision
objects until the Yanks gave up, surely, which is more or less what's
happening anyway.
The question
to make the larger point that energy
markets are already planned--just undemocratically.
Care to expand? (seriously)
Mark D H 'last time I hugged a tree it came' Lawrence-Jones
=
This guy did his Ph.D. on oil oligopolies in 1973...
Dennis R Redmond wrote:
An embargo which is lifted approximately one millisecond after Japan
threatens to call in the 150 billion euros of the US current account
deficit it's been funding for well over a decade, thus pulling the plug on
the Wall Street Bubble.
How do you propose Japan would
and the light became so bright and so blindin'
in this layer of paradise
that the mind of man was bewildered.
(Canto 38)
Rod Hay wrote:
Ken In addition, it might be useful to ban auto
Charles. The shortage will arise in one million years by which time there
will be no human species as we know it. I say let them fend for themselves.
Rod
Quite right. We will have evolved into heads w/o
bodies, all subsisting on entirely mechanized production
of goods and services, and all
Jim Devine wrote:
At 12:17 AM 6/28/00 +1000, you wrote:
That leaves what I take to be the true dialectician, who is never wrong,
because s/he's always content with the useless (by natural scientific
standards of proof and prediction).
a dialectician might never be wrong in terms of
. . . Good luck organizing, Mark.
Doug
Don't sell him short. I think Mark has united PEN-L.
mbs
I have found myself in agreement with Lou's recent post suggesting that
the roots of ecological crisis and overpopulation pressures lie in the
contradictions of capitalism, and that a socialist revolution is not
only necessary but also desirable if we are to have a sustainable
ecological system
Rod Hay wrote:
Charles It is not a matter of faith. It is a simple calculation. Amount
of energy available minus amount used by humans in the course of their
history. The result if a very large positive number. We are not going to
run out of energy.
Alternatives to internal combustion
Let's stop this thread. All we get from Jones is invective. Not one
thread of evidence, except some stupid post that shows what every high
school math student knows -- exponential functions get large very
quickly.
Rod
--
Rod Hay
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ops, here is the article...
Mine
Journal of World-Systems Research
Volume 3, Number 3 (Fall 1997)
http://csf.colorado.edu/wsystems/jwsr.html
ISSN 1076-156X
Position in the World-System and National Emissions of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have found myself in agreement with Lou's recent post suggesting that
the roots of ecological crisis and overpopulation pressures lie in the
contradictions of capitalism, and that a socialist revolution is not
only necessary but also desirable if we are to have a
Yeah, hang separately or hang together.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Max Sawicky
Sent: 28 June 2000 22:49
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:20893] RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
this article is huge. my system does not allow me to send it. here is the
web address. I did not attach it to my previous post...
Mine
Journal of World-Systems Research
Volume 3, Number 3 (Fall 1997)
http://csf.colorado.edu/wsystems/jwsr.html
ISSN
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Socialism will collapse in a few years, or else, in an even more
unlikely event of the Japanese victory, the battered socialist
government will have to build everything back up from scratch
amidst ruins, _who knows how_.
And this if America doesn't bomb Red Japan back
Journal of World-Systems Research
Volume 3, Number 3 (Fall 1997)
http://csf.colorado.edu/wsystems/jwsr.html
ISSN 1076-156X
Position in the World-System and National Emissions of
Greenhouse Gases*
Karl Fred wrote:
"Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual
abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable
distribution of the populace over the country."
Compared to many other countries, the U.S. has a version of this,
only we call it
Hmm, ok, maybe I can get an answer from you: what changes in
industrial and agricultural practices, energy sources, the build
environment, living arrangements, etc., will occur under socialism
that will avoid the eco-catastrophe capitalism supposedly has in
store for us. It's not just a
Think it won't happen?
It will. It is.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
While I'm not against thinking about the future, I think it
inadvisable for socialists to portray an emergency in the future
tense. To paraphrase Walter Benjamin, "The tradition of the
oppressed teaches
I just read that NY City is the largest consumer of pesticides in the state.
Now that you have that part of the agricultural system, may the rest won't be
too hard.
Doug Henwood wrote:
It's weird to hear this coming from someone who lives works on
Manhattan Island, but I'll leave that aside
With scarcely any opposition, GM seed in rapidly making inroads into
Chinese agriculture. China, the first country in the world to synthesise
insulin, has its own scientists working on GM products. It seems likely the
government is strongly backing a process that could make much of Chinese
M A Jones wrote:
Rod, I'd be happy to debate you but metaphysical assertions about 'infinite
energy' which are easily + demonstrably untrue, are not a basis for debate.
So yes, quit this silly non-debate.
Mark, I agree with this in substance, but much of my caterwauling at you
and Lou
Rod, I don't think that it needs to be stopped, but certainly changed.
Mark, Mr. Minimus here thinks that you need to tone down your rhetoric. I
think that we all know where you stand. At this point, everything is
unprovable -- like global warming. I don't mean that it is wrong. I
largely
Putin has just overwhelmingly lost a vote in the Federation Council to
exclude regional governors of their automatic seats and therefore their
automatic immunity from prosecution.
This is Putin's first major reversal after his inauguration in the czarist
throne room.
Russian politics looks
Doug,
Obviously none of the desirable changes you and I and Mine hope for will
happen. But capitalism will collapse anyway. Prove me wrong. Address the
issues. And stop whingeing about how awful it will be; we know that.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
- Original Message
Doug Henwood wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have found myself in agreement with Lou's recent post suggesting that
the roots of ecological crisis and overpopulation pressures lie in the
contradictions of capitalism, and that a socialist revolution is not
only necessary but also
Rod, I'd be happy to debate you but metaphysical assertions about 'infinite
energy' which are easily + demonstrably untrue, are not a basis for debate.
So yes, quit this silly non-debate.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
- Original Message -
From: "Rod Hay" [EMAIL
Doug Henwood asked:
Hmm, ok, maybe I can get an answer from you: what changes in
industrial and agricultural practices, energy sources, the build
environment, living arrangements, etc., will occur under socialism
that will avoid the eco-catastrophe capitalism supposedly has in
store for us.
_World Bank Development_ news summarizes ILO report!
Mine
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:53:09
-0700 (PDT) From: David Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
world-system network [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ILO REPORT SAYS
GLOBALIZATION CAUSES JOB LOSSES (fwd)
This
Carrol:
brains weighed less than men's brains. An ecological theorist might
believe in astronomy or esp and still perform trustworthy work in
ecology.
I don't know. That astronomy is pretty fishy stuff. The astronomy
department at Columbia University is funded--as I understand it--by Shirley
Well Hello,
Mark Jones gets the point across to me this way,
Greetings Economists,
Doyle, I don't think you should speak of/to the disabled like this.
Mark Jones
Doyle
You know what, I rather like you. You kind of grow on a person. By the way
you wicked provoker, the last two weeks of my
Mark Jones wrote:
I think you are missing the point rather. Let me put it this way: did
Newton's theories about alchemy disqualify him as a scientist who discovered
the laws of gravity?
Not an appropriate comparison. Consider rather the way in which
Broca the founder of neurology wasted
what are you trying to prove with your insults Doug? are you implying the
impossibility of a socialist agenda? who is fantasizing here? nobody is
suggesting a _blue print_ for the future, as far as I can tell. Marx did
not suggest either. Politics is a day to day struggle and what we can do
is
Whatever ecological reservations progressive people may have about this, it
is entirely understandable that a country like China needs to make a major
push to gain relative advantage in the world. This would release vast
amounts of labour power and purchasing power for economic transformation
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