At 15:53 08/08/00 -0400, you wrote:
The other thing is that "freedom" of speech , and American leftist naive
belief that they have it, is a mechanism by which the U.S. repressive
apparatus gets oppositionists to expose themselves, locate themselves for
the police intelligence units to learn
In a message dated Thu, 10 Aug 2000 2:29:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Burford
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 15:53 08/08/00 -0400, you wrote:
The other thing is that "freedom" of speech , and American leftist naive
belief that they have it, is a mechanism by which the U.S. repressive
We discussed the second question to death a few weeks ago, until Michael shut it down.
I would be game for another around, but I am going on holiday, so I will leave it to
hardier souls., My brief answers are:
In a message dated Thu, 10 Aug 2000 1:40:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL
Jim Devine wrote:
But we can't assume that everything that Geoff said in his column is
wrong just because we don't like his conclusions. Attacking his
alleged motives doesn't help, either. What's wrong with his column?
I have nothing against his column; I was talking about Steinberg.
Geoff I
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we want the center to agree that communists and fascists are as
different as night and day.
I'm sure they know that and when the chips are down (as they are not
currently), the "center" (the political-economic elite) will choose "day"
(the fascists),
BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 9, 2000
RELEASED TODAY: From January 1997 through December 1999, 3.3 million workers
were displaced from jobs they had held for at least 3 years, BLS reported.
The number of displaced workers was about the same as the level of 3.6
million recorded 2 years
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At 15:53 08/08/00 -0400, you wrote:
The other thing is that "freedom" of speech , and American leftist naive
belief that they have it, is a mechanism by which the U.S. repressive
apparatus gets oppositionists to expose themselves, locate themselves for
[was: Re: [PEN-L:453] Re: Re: Re: Re: an op-ed on California energy crisis ]
At 08:44 PM 8/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
However that does not mean that rent control should not be supported just that
it should be accompanied by other measures such as public housing, co-op
housing, etc. and land
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Question 1. Certainly a planned economy of necessity will involve control but as
long as there are mechanisms for NGO and citizen inputs that have genuine
efficacy any tendency to totalitarianism would probably be corrected. If the
planned economy
is within the context of competing political
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, AUGUST 8, 2000
RELEASED TODAY: BLS reported preliminary productivity data--as measured by
output per hour of all persons--for the second quarter of 2000. The
preliminary seasonally adjusted annual rates of productivity change in the
second quarter were: 6.2 percent in
At 10:51 PM 8/9/00 -0400, you wrote:
In a message dated 8/9/00 7:10:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
've known both Bruce Geoff. (I got stoned once with Bruce, while Geoff
used to be a friend.)
So, you admit to a crime and implicate your (then-)friend? --jks
I can't
BLS DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, AUGUST 7, 2000
__A smaller than expected gain of 138,000 jobs in the private sector during
July, plus the absence of any wage acceleration, gives comfort to
policymakers and analysts who have fretted that the U.S. economy was growing
at too fast a clip. The civilian
At 11:04 PM 8/9/00 -0400, you wrote:
From: "Brad De Long" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We remember that there were *reasons*
it was called the National *Socialist* German *Workers* Party.
How do you explain *Democratic* Kampuchea?
Obviously Pol Pot was a democrat, just as democratic, if fact, as the
At 09:04 PM 8/9/00 -0700, you wrote:
I think price controls on electricity -- from just after 1900 to 1995, a
90-odd year experiment -- did produce reliable electric service.
I believe that the price controls were just one part of a larger package.
It's the package that should be judged...
Jim
Any Kiwi comments on this?
CHeers, Ken Hanly
07/08/2000 11:40 - (SA)
NZ genetic engineering commission begins work
Wellington, New Zealand - An inquiry
that will determine the future of
genetic
BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, AUGUST 4, 2000
TODAY'S RELEASE: "Total nonfarm payroll employment decreased by 108,000 in
July. Private-sector payroll employment rose by 138,000, but this was more
than offset by a decline in federal government employment, as 290,000
temporary workers hired for the
BLS DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, AUGUST 3, 2000
The index of leading economic indicators was unchanged in June after falling
in May, according to a report by the Conference Board. ... (Daily Labor
Report, page D-1).
Sales of new homes fell 3.7 percent in June, the slowest sales pace in more
than 2
Here is an interesting development. I don't imagine that it will
get banner headllines in the anti-GM movement!
Cheers, Ken Hanly
GM rice patents given
away
'Golden rice' could offer hope to millions of
people
By Environment
G'day Michael,
I think that the question of energy deregulation would merit a lot more
disucssion. Here is a market with long-lived fixed assets, where the
product is sold in a spot market. It seems to be a recipe for
disaster.
I've misplaced the link to Gene's essay, can anyone put me on
RE
* We remember that there were *reasons* it was
* called the National *Socialist* German *Workers* Party.
From on-line version of the Ency. Britannica: "The party's socialist
orientation was basically a demagogic gambit designed to attract support
from the working class."
And
Ken Hanly wrote:
However that does not mean that rent control should not be supported just
that
it should be accompanied by other measures such as public housing, co-op
housing, etc. and land banking, all government financed..
Gene Coyle wrote,
Skyrocketing rents don't produce new housing
[ was: Re: [PEN-L:468] RE: Re: now you know ]
At 03:29 PM 8/10/00 +1000, you wrote:
A couple of questions for anyone to answer:
1) Is there a tendency for a planned economy to slide into totalitarianism?
First, it's important to note that there's _more than one kind_ of "planned
economy."
Jim (or Max?) But if the precedent is in
the quiver of the powers that be, they'll use it when needed.
Justin:Surely they will.
Charles: Your quivering before the powers that be keeps ye from seeing that they
got nuc precedents in their legal quiver for stopping the Left, if need be.
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we want the center to agree that communists and fascists are as
different as night and day.
Sorry, but I'm afraid we won't.
CB: Sorry. You're from the right, not the center.
(((
Recall the common attachment to cults of personality,
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A couple of questions for anyone to answer:
1) Is there a tendency for a planned economy to slide into totalitarianism?
CB: Rather than totalitarianism , think of linear thinking vs holistic thinking. A
scientific approach to anything
A piece that appeared in the Economic and Political Weekly (from Mumbai).
EPWCommentary July 22-28, 2000
Calcutta Diary
AM
Paul Sweezy is 90. To celebrate the event, Monthly Review has issued a
special number in which
Charles: Your quivering before the powers that be keeps ye from seeing that they got
nuc precedents in their legal quiver for stopping the Left, if need be.
So we should add to the weight of precedent, make it easier?
Justin:
Holmes came around to the view that id the dictatorship of the
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Charles: Your quivering before the powers that be keeps ye from seeing that they got
nuc precedents in their legal quiver for stopping the Left, if need be.
So we should add to the weight of precedent, make it easier?
(
CB: The notion of
Rob, you are describe the history of the U.S. railroad industry in the late 19th
C.
Rob Schaap wrote:
G'day Michael,
I think that the question of energy deregulation would merit a lot more
disucssion. Here is a market with long-lived fixed assets, where the
product is sold in a spot
A few days ago, Justin suggested that the ADM conviction was evidence of
a certain degree of equity in the criminal justice system. A couple
months before, I got a call from David Hoech, who was the ADM
Shareholder Watch. I had posted something on pen-l concerning ADM. We
had a nice chat any
A couple of questions for anyone to answer:
Answers from David Loy, "The Religion of the Market"
1) Is there a tendency for a planned economy to slide into totalitarianism?
"The
laissez-faire principle, that government should not interfere with the
operations of the economic system,
Someone mentioned how high rents don't motivate new construction, but
instead encourage remodeling to cater to the rich. I think that there's
also a longer-term supply response (else they wouldn't be building so many
condos and apartment buildings in LA). But these buildings are also aimed
at
from the SLATE news-summary, August 4:
There's a great little nugget in the [Washington Post's] account of the
sentencing of James McDermott, a former investment bank CEO who was
convicted of leaking bank merger secrets to his porn star mistress, who
then made profitable trades off the
Harry;
Yes, reams of articles by apologists for capitals plunder of working
class people,
euphemistically called "freedom" and "democracy" , are easily published
by the LA Times and other bosses rags, aired on TV , promoted
on radio magazines , etc. Ugh!!.
The ruling class is very
The Disney executive involved in porn. got no jail time, then there is
Col. Hiatt and his wife. Equal justice for all.
from the SLATE news-summary, August 4:
There's a great little nugget in the [Washington Post's] account of the
sentencing of James McDermott, a former investment bank CEO
It is incorrect to say that there is a "nuclear warhead" of precedent supporting
suppression of left speech in this country. From a legal point of view this is just
wrong. Moreover, you know it is wrong. I tried the argument on my judge that the
Dennis case has any precedential value
Your thought is similar to the Nazis on this issue. This sounds like
some rightwing promotion of the same lie that the Nazis committed
in naming their party a workers' party: the deception that fascists
and socialists are similar.
In what sense is it a deception? Observers from George
The true political center , unlike you, allied with the Soviet Union
to fight fascism in WWII.
For the record, the "unlike you" is knowingly false, malicious,
mendacious, and libelous.
Brad DeLong
August
10, 2000
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Zinoviev and Kamenev's last words may have been that they were
victims of a fascist coup.
Brad Delong
Do you have a citation for this? Zinoviev and Kamenev pleaded guilty to the
charge of trying to organize a fascist counter-revolution against a
socialist state in the Moscow trials. Frankly I
Do you have a citation for this? Zinoviev and Kamenev pleaded guilty to the
charge of trying to organize a fascist counter-revolution against a
socialist state in the Moscow trials. Frankly I am not interested in
arguing Soviet history with you, but I do like to keep up with
anticommunist
This discussion is positively fruitless. Sometimes people on the left have
called somebody else a fascist when they disagree with that person. In that
sense, Brad is free to think that the Soviets and the Nazis were similar
since he regards both regimes as murderous. It is true that
Brad wrote:
... Observers from George Orwell to Hannah Arendt found the similarities
of political practice between Nazis and Stalinists, communists and
fascists, to be remarkable. Zinoviev and Kamenev's last words may have
been that they were victims of a fascist coup.
Orwell, Arendt,
Brad De Long wrote:
Orwell, Arendt, Zinoviev, Kamenev--that's pretty good company to be in...
[from Frances Stonor Saunders, The Cultural Cold War (The New Press, 2000)]
But Orwell himself was not entirely innocent of such Cold War
manipulations. He had, after all, handed over a list of
RE
=In what sense is it a deception? Observers from George Orwell to
=Hannah Arendt found the similarities of political practice between
=Nazis and Stalinists, communists and fascists, to be remarkable
Is Brad implying that socialism = planning = communism = Stalin =
At 04:15 PM 8/10/00 -0700, you wrote:
should they hero-worship him for his brilliantly lucid Socialist writings,
or attack him for the fervent anti-Communism of his
later years, exemplified by his masterpiece, Animal Farm?
The rule is not to have any heroes, except at delis. It's best to treat
Jim Devine wrote:
BTW, ANIMAL FARM isn't anti-communist. In the end, the remaining
Pigs (the Stalinists) end up being just like the Humans (the
capitalists). This isn't anti-communist, because anti-communists are
pro-capitalist. BTW, for the original movie of this book, this
embarrassing
leaking bank merger secrets to his porn star mistress . . .
his history of charitable works.
Isn't that what he was convicted of? Generous to a fault.
Temps Walker
Sandwichman and Deconsultant
Brad wrote:
Your thought is similar to the Nazis on this issue. This sounds like
some rightwing promotion of the same lie that the Nazis committed
in naming their party a workers' party: the deception that fascists
and socialists are similar.
In what sense is it a deception? Observers from
I just saw the Nader ad on Slate. It should be quite effective.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Do you have a citation for this? Zinoviev and Kamenev pleaded guilty to the
charge of trying to organize a fascist counter-revolution against a
socialist state in the Moscow trials. Frankly I am not interested in
arguing Soviet history with you, but I do like to keep up with
anticommunist
And I saw an ad on televison the other night. Highly professional and
effective--attacks the Democrats and Republicans equally as fat cats. His
adman apparently ran Jesse Ventura's ad campaign. Doing it for free or low
cost I believe. Meanwhile Nader is going to support the CWA strike, attend
Robert Tucker, Stalin in Power: The Revolution from Above, p. 373. I
wrote "may" because--as with so much of Soviet history--all accounts
are unreliable...
--
Professor J. Bradford DeLong
Well, I thought you might have found something from the Venona files. This
Tucker stuff is old hat. It is
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And Stalin? No communist at
all--always an Okhranik
infiltrator, certainly in his way of thought and practice, and
probably in fact.
Shane Mage
Possibly...
It's always been a very intriguing hypothesis, but the hard evidence
is (and forever will be) lacking...
Brad DeLong
This discussion is positively fruitless. Sometimes people on the left have
called somebody else a fascist when they disagree with that person. In that
sense, Brad is free to think that the Soviets and the Nazis were similar
since he regards both regimes as murderous.
As you know, the
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