At 19:00 10-11-00, Chris wrote:
Gore's supporters presumably had a
tendency to lack assertive middle class social skills, may
not have negotiated the ballot paper so effectively, may not have had the
confidence to have asked for a replacement, if they had made a mistake on
the first one, may
Although I am not a historian, I have been following
this discussion from a distance. It occurred to me
that a former colleague who is now at Tehran
University wrote a dissertation on the Medieval
Islamic city. What struck me in that was the huge
number of people in those cities. For instance in
So Hillary Clinton says that Nader should be killed. (I know it's illegal
for someone to physically threaten a member of the First Family, but what
about vice-versa?) Thomas Friedman, seemingly the chief ideologist of the
NY TIMES in this era of corporate globalization, thinks that old Ralph
From the current Economist: "Mr Clinton, a two-time winner at the
national
level, will probably take on mythic proportions as the shrewdest of
political operators. But, in fact, his dalliance with Monica Lewinsky may
well have cost Mr Gore the election. Some 44% of voters told pollsters
that
November 9, 2000
WHY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS SHRINKING
By David Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SAN FRANCISCO (11/9/00) - Their hands sewed the
clothes you're wearing, and the ones in your closet. They
picked the vegetables on your plate and cut the meat in your
refrigerator. These hands
Ken Hanly wrote:
Query: What was the percentage turnout in the US elections? Was it over 50
percent?
Wall Street Journal - November 9, 2000
Voter Turnout Remains Low
Despite Ad Barrage, Close Race
By YOCHI J. DREAZEN
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
WASHINGTON -- Overall voter
Of course, another dimension of the voting machine screw-up is the failure to
invest in the public infrastructure. In the last couple of days, election
commissioners from all of the country have complained that their requests to
purchase more modern voting equipment have fallen on deaf ears. In
On tuesday at lunch with my theatre workshop colleagues, one of the
participants remarked how the election outcome in the states could only be
discouraging -- either Gore or Bush. I suggested there was a third
possibility: an unresolved dead heat that would result in recounts and legal
Thanks. Brevity is the soul of sandwichman.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
- Original Message -
From: Tom Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:02 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:4250] Re: Voter turnout 52%
The entire message is in the subject line.
From Johnson's Russia List.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
Please circulate widely.
Background
According to several news accounts, many voters in Palm Beach, Florida,
have claimed that they were confused by the ballot
structure and may have inadvertently voted for Buchanan when in fact they
intended to vote for Gore. The event prompted a
discussion
My preference for Nader rested on a long-term perspective. Right now, I
would prefer four years of a delegitimized Bush to a delegitimized Gore,
especially if Gore wins the popular vote. Whoever wins is likely to see
the next congressional elections moving the other direction. Neither
would
John Halle wrote:
I should have made clear that I agree with you on this-though Kelly, from
what she posted may feel otherwise. Still, there is reason to believe that
census figures routinely underrepresent low-income communities, for the
reasons which Kelly gives.
For sure. There's no question
I agree. We are entering a period of growing political and economic
instability. Better on Bush's watch than on Gore.
Joel Blau
Michael Perelman wrote:
My preference for Nader rested on a long-term perspective. Right now, I
would prefer four years of a delegitimized Bush to a delegitimized
At 03:19 PM 11/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
I agree. We are entering a period of growing political and economic
instability. Better on Bush's watch than on Gore.
don't you think that the DLC vanguard party deserves to be punished, too?
According to Christopher Hitchens, the Democratic Leadership
Yoshie wroteAt the
same time, the wars on crimes drugs have made costs of living
higher ( lowered standards of living) for an increasing number of
people, since fines, court costs, lawyer fees, bail bonds, etc. must
be paid prisoners can't contribute to household incomes (through
regular or
Under current circumstances, a Bush election (by the electoral college,
including the Fla. outcome) would be a blatant coup d'etat, even if
Gore went along with it. The Florida election should be invalidated
leaving no majority in the electoral college which would a vote by the
house. I assume
The US has had no effective change of goverment in 41 years. Capital has
ruled throughout.
Such an incisive analysis. Are we next to be told that there is no
fundamental distinction between the Nazi party and Lyndon Johnson
because they are both forms of rule of the bourgeoisie?
It's amazing
Like you
I worked in DC. I watched the rewrite of the Clean Air Act become a tragedy
foisted on the US citizenry by lawyers on K Street doin' the revolving door
thang on Capitol Hill, arguably the real cause [along with the arrogance of
the Big 3 "catering" to the consumer choice of a public in
At 01:36 PM 11/10/00 -0800, you wrote:
Under current circumstances, a Bush election (by the electoral college,
including the Fla. outcome) would be a blatant coup d'etat, even if
Gore went along with it. The Florida election should be invalidated
leaving no majority in the electoral college which
someone wrote:
The US has had no effective change of goverment in 41 years. Capital has
ruled throughout.
Brad wrote:
Such an incisive analysis. Are we next to be told that there is no
fundamental distinction between the Nazi party and Lyndon Johnson because
they are both forms of rule of the
I've never understood the whole "things are bad, so let's make them
worse!" meme...
Brad DeLong
***
I've never understood the unsurpassable predictive prowess of economists in
all socio-politico-economic matters that exhibit greater complexity than
atmospheric chemistry.
Ian
Whichever capitalist political gang ends up on top out of this electoral
circus, the big farse,
the working masses will be under attack , more austerity, cuts, speedups,
policing, etc.
In fact this 'bi-partisanism' is the order of the day by from most the
rich as a whole.
But then why
If you are correct, then they are not so bad, since Clinton, as has been said
many times here, is far to the right of Nixon.
Jim Devine wrote:
At 03:19 PM 11/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
I agree. We are entering a period of growing political and economic
instability. Better on Bush's watch than
Absolutely, but precisely what punishment did you have in mind? Perhaps a
co-presidency, so that we can get a two-fer?
Joel Blau
Jim Devine wrote:
At 03:19 PM 11/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
I agree. We are entering a period of growing political and economic
instability. Better on Bush's watch
Have you been listening to the conservative talk show hosts (Rush Limbaugh et
al) since Tuesday? They think the Democrats are stealing the election. As
Michael said, whoever wins is going to be delegitimized. We are just coming out
the other side of 20 years of fake right wing populism. The
Brad wrote: I've never understood the whole "things are bad, so let's
make them worse!" meme...
isn't that the slogan of the IMF? or is it "things are so bad for the
wealthy, let's make them worse for the working people"?
Speaking of which, is there any truth to the rumor that because the US
This election is the most political fun since Monica has left the
political scene. One event that would give me immense pleasure would
have the Supreme Court ruled on turning away voters and Rehnquist having
to recuse himself because that was one of his first acts of courage on
behalf of the
Goldilocks has an extraordinary fondness for prediction and, being wealthy
and interested in giving away some of her money in the form of prizes so as
to avoid paying taxes to the government, inquired of economists thus:
"There are 3 candidates for President of the US in the year 2000AD. Are
I am glad you appreciate my analysis. There are important differences,
important enough to support other capitalist nations
in a war against Germany. However, the US apparently did not think these
differences warranted going to war except very late in the game. In fact
many supported the Nazi
I will go with John Hagelin (sp?). In 4 years, we can learn to meditate our
problems away.
On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 03:18:14PM -0800, Lisa Ian Murray wrote:
Goldilocks has an extraordinary fondness for prediction and, being wealthy
and interested in giving away some of her money in the form
Brad, hang it up. The thing is, we don't accept your iron cage. We
don't accept defeat. We won't go away. Maybe we're mad, whethe
happy or not, but you won't make nice but unhappy liberals out of us.
So you agree that for you politics is a means of self-expression,
rather than an attempt to
Agence France Presse November 10, 2000
Africa Offers To Send 'Observers' To Help U.S. End Poll Confusion
PARIS - African nations suggested Friday sending 'observers' to the
United States to help overcome presidential poll confusion as the world's
press argued over whether it was witnessing
From Johnson's Russia List. This is long, so if you are not interested you
might want to delete it.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
Too Hot to Handle
the eXile
November 9, 2000
Moskovsky Komsomolets had it. So did Versiya. In fact, the following
document - a dossier on then-Prime Minister Vladimir Putin,
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/epolls/US/P000.html
Exit polls show that nationally, Nader voters were disproportionately
male and white. Was that because those categories of folks had less to
lose from a Bush victory over Gore?
The blitheness, and cynical detachment, with which folks dismiss
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CDWhy are Nader backers so
unwilling to take *any* responsibility for this?
*
Of what does taking responsibility consist? Should Bush apologize for
defeating Gore or vice versa? Should whoever is the winner apologize to the
other two losers for defeating them? Does taking
Reflection on Peter's comment
One of my colleagues refers to this as Shrodinger's election...
plus this from a news article on butterfly ballots in MA
The problem in Massachusetts was the chad -- the piece of paper that
is
supposed to separate completely from a hole-punch ballot. When it
US governments come and go but sanctions remain. Whether Gore or Bush wins
wont sanctions stay?
Cheers , Ken Hanly
Cuba UN Vote
The UN General Assembly voted today, November 9, 2000, once again
overwhelmingly for a resolution in favor of ending the U.S. sanctions
against Cuba. The vote was
Ken H---
Take 60 cents and all these UN hypocrites votes and maybe you can get a
cup of coffee-
(but certainly not one Cuban cigar!).
The UN is a den of liars, thieves and murderers, all capitalistic states
of one type or another.
A fitting replacement for the outmoded (for capital) League
At 11:24 10/11/00 -0500, Proyect wrote:
November 9, 2000
WHY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS SHRINKING
By David Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SAN FRANCISCO (11/9/00) - Their hands sewed the
clothes you're wearing, and the ones in your closet. They
picked the vegetables on your plate and cut the
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