I write to object to Louis Proyect posting 22 times to this list in one day.
He wrote on 21 June:
It is very difficult to
create a space where tenured professors and upstarts like myself can
exchange views. Michael has been doing this for the better part of a decade
and I tip my hat to him.
Yoshie writes:
Michael Keaney says:
Yoshie, having gone upmarket with the FT and the Oil and Gas Journal:
Upmarket? You're such a snob, Michael! :-
=
MK: It's important to maintain standards.
=
The integrity of Indonesia was its preferred option,
rather than risk the
Penners
GMB General Secretary John Edmonds won notoriety a few years back when he
addressed a TUC conference and referred, in his speech, to fat cat chief
executives as greedy bastards. Typically, the rightwing press had a field
day with this, playing up the supposed return of bad old 1970s
Please publicize. I can be reached for informal discussion at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
National University of Ireland,
Galway
Lectureship in Economics
The Department of Economics wishes to invite applications for the above
Penners
If my memory serves, Brian Wilson's constituency contains the Hunterston
nuclear power complex. Just like another of his fellow New Labour converts,
Dr Jack Cunningham, he is looking after his industry clients.
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Plan for six nuclear stations
Paul Brown, environment correspondent
Ministers admit problems after union talks
Michael White, political editor
Friday June 29, 2001
The Guardian
Tony Blair's senior ministers are to renew their efforts to sell the
government's partnership plans to frontline public sector staff in the
wake of their clash with union leaders over
Mail may come with the milk
Geoffrey Gibbs
Friday June 29, 2001
The Guardian
Milkmen could collect and deliver letters under radical ideas to inject
competition into postal services.
A consultation document published yesterday by the industry regulator,
Postcomm, argues that users could
Head quits after altering results of national tests
By Sarah Cassidy Education Correspondent
The Independent, 29 June 2001
A headteacher has resigned after admitting trying to push her
school up the league tables by correcting her pupils' answers
to national standard assessment tests.
Infant mortality in Britain second worst in EU
By Lorna Duckworth Social Affairs Correspondent
The Independent, 29 June 2001
Britain has the second-highest death rate among babies in the
European Union, government figures released yesterday show.
The rate of 5.8 child deaths in every
Eugene Coyle:
Thanks Mark,
But I'm still wondering. Your correspondent's last paragraph is not
credible, just on the surface. Hundreds of units have come on
line just in
the last fortnight? Ridiculous.
Here are some numbers from US DOE's Energy Information
Agency. And this
On Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 19:41:21 (-0700) Michael Perelman writes:
Mark, please refrain from telling us what you think Doug thinks.
Especially when it is so far from the mark as to become crude and ugly
pastiche.
Bill
David wrote:
I specifically said that the money supply will fluctuate under a gold
standard in respond to liquidity demands. The point is that the
decision of increasing/decreasing the money supply will be made by the market, not
the idiosyncracies of the Fed governors.
In theory, this is
Jim D. wrote:
for what it's worth, UNITA wasn't created from above. Rather, it arose as
part of the war of liberation against Portugal. Savimbi was probably
corrupt from the start, but he sounded like a revolutionary for awhile.
Maybe he's an example of power corrupting. In any case,
Penners
This was forwarded to me ages ago by Rob Schaap. In the light of recent
discussions I think it's important that it should be in the PEN-L archives.
Kerr briefed on CIA threat to Whitlam
EXCLUSIVE: THE NATIONAL LIBRARY TAPES
By ANDREW CLARK
THE AGE Sunday 15 October 2000
In his book The Falcon and the Snowman, New York Times journalist Robert
Lindsay speculated that information sold by two US spies to the Soviet
Union about the operation of the CIA in Australia may have been relayed by
the Russians to the ALP, and may have helped touch off the government-CIA
I forwarded recent remarks to John Bellamy Foster for comments, who responds:
At 7:09 PM -0700 6/28/01, John Bellamy Foster wrote:
Thanks for asking. Louis' comments on ecology are always interesting. I did
not base my discussion in THE VULNERABLE PLANET on a CNS article by J.
Donald Hughes on
(I received this in response to J.B. Foster's note, which I forwarded to a
friend and comrade whose identity I prefer to shield from prying,
censorious eyes.)
As for why the Mayan civilisation collapsed, both in Peruvian antiquity and
the Classic period (9th C AD), I can tell you right now: it
Bill, please, this is throwing gasoline on the fire.
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 07:25:21AM -0500, William S. Lear wrote:
On Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 19:41:21 (-0700) Michael Perelman writes:
Mark, please refrain from telling us what you think Doug thinks.
Especially when it is so far from
BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, JUNE 28, 2001:
RELEASED TODAY: In May 2001, there were 1,426 mass layoff actions by
employers as measured by new filings for unemployment insurance benefits
during the month, according to data from the U.S. Department of Labor's
Bureau of
Look, I am going to have to start asking people to unsub for a
week if this nastiness continues. Jumping in to defend those who
are wronged only makes things worse. Please stop this ugly
behavior.
Look, nobody here is an expert on Mayan or Aztec civilization or
many of the others subjects with
As for why the Mayan civilisation collapsed, both in Peruvian antiquity and
the Classic period (9th C AD), I can tell you right now: it collapsed
because of a series of intense El Nino events which altered the climate,
caused rainfall and flooding and washed its agriculture away. There is now
Now Foster is one of the bad guys? Gosh, gotta get out my scorecard...that
was a quick switch if there ever were one.
A fat head who doesn't know anything? That kind of characterization of a
comrade is bizarre...
Steve
On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Mark Jones wrote:
El Nino events were most
Lessons From Mesopotamia, Egypt, and the Maya: Abrupt Climate Change Can
Cause Societal Collapse.
(1/26/2001)
American scientists warned on Friday of unprecedented social disruptions
that could result from global warming, after linking the collapse of
societies throughout history to climate
Daniel Ellsberg is also author of the 1961 article, Risk, ambiguity and the
Savage axioms published in the _Quarterly Journal of Economics_. That
article makes it quite clear why and when it doesn't make sense to treat
*uncertainty* as if it was probabilistic risk, something that economic
At 05:31 AM 6/29/01 -1000, you wrote:
Now Foster is one of the bad guys? Gosh, gotta get out my scorecard...that
was a quick switch if there ever were one.
A fat head who doesn't know anything? That kind of characterization of a
comrade is bizarre...
Steve
Sorry, that sentence was accidentally
Now Foster is one of the bad guys? Gosh, gotta get out my scorecard...that
was a quick switch if there ever were one.
A fat head who doesn't know anything? That kind of characterization of a
comrade is bizarre...
Steve
The problem is that debates on PEN-l are not being conducted as means
for
See the new bio by Tom Wells on Ellsberg.Looks great. Wells, also wrote,
The War At Home, UC Press, on the anti-Vietnam War mvmnt.
Michael Pugliese
- Original Message -
From: Tom Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:37 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:14380]
Part three of Empire is devoted to an explanation of the new realities
facing the radical movement, which--swimming bravely against the stream of
academic fashion--they dub postmodernist. They also explain the crownpiece
of autonomic-Marxism strategy, a clever and powerful form of proletarian
It got a very negative review in The Nation
-Original Message-
From: Michael Pugliese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 11:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:14383] Re: Lying About Vietnam (and lying about
economics)
See the new bio by Tom Wells on
Excellent, Yoshie!!
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 11:45:55AM -0400, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
The problem is that debates on PEN-l are not being conducted as means
for theoretical empirical clarification as they should be. The
guiding assumption often is that disagreements in theory empirical
My recent favorite from the Daily Worker in 1924 is this,
One particularly loathsome example of that type [renegade radical] is
X.Y.Physically he is a big chunk of anamated protoplasm, who wears a 22
inch
collar and a 6 1/2 inch hat.The brain capacity of a moron with the neck of
a
gorilla. The
At 11:21 AM 6/29/01 -0400, you wrote:As for why the Mayan civilisation
collapsed, both in Peruvian antiquity and the Classic period (9th C AD), I
can tell you right now: it collapsed because of a series of intense El Nino
events which altered the climate, caused rainfall and flooding and
Damn! Newest issue? Ellsberg was reputed to be working on an
autobiography. A friend who went on to SUNY, Binghampton, Tom Riefer, got to
do some research for him. And, my step-Dad who knew folks cat RAND Corp. in
the 60's, sez he was quite a swinger.
Michael Pugliese
Michael
- Original
Yes. Basically says it is too much pop-psych and too little historical
context.
-Original Message-
From: Michael Pugliese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:23 PM
To: Progressive Economists
Subject: [PEN-L:14389] Re: RE: Re: Lying About Vietnam (and lying about
Malling is a national phenom, of course, but
California has particular circumstances that have
accelerated it. When Prop 13 was passed, capping and
rolling back property tax rates to 1973 levels, the
fundamental funding mechanism for cities was pulled
out from under them. I'm not sure what the
Nothing really offends me except Kautskyist politics.
Louis Proyect
I'm sympathetic to your sensibility here, but you can't fight against
Kautskyist politics by declaiming that Aztec Mexico was a better
place to live for its average inhabitant than Mexico City today.
Instead, what it takes
Jim Devine:
conclusive evidence? in science, and especially social science, there's
no such thing.
So does this mean that the agrarian origins of capitalism in 15th century
Great Britain is also up for grabs?
There must have been something profoundly wrong with Mayan civilization
(and its
Yoshie:
I'm sympathetic to your sensibility here, but you can't fight against
Kautskyist politics by declaiming that Aztec Mexico was a better
place to live for its average inhabitant than Mexico City today.
Why not--if this is the issue, in one form or another, that has been at the
heart of
This is getting silly. We are not engaged in epic battles here. We are a
handful of leftists, far from the seats of power, trying to get a handle
on a difficult world. If we cannot engage in a reasonable discussion with
each other, how the hell are we going to be able to communicate with
Harry Kreisler: Let's go back a minute, because we should say that your
training was in economics at Harvard. And as you mentioned, you were working
on decision making. But I'm hearing you say in all of this that you were a
real empiricist, that is, sort of gathering the facts about what we were
conclusive evidence? in science, and especially social science,
there's
no such thing. Any conclusion is simply a new working hypothesis to
be
tested by contrast with evidence, by logical analysis, and by
looking to
see if the picture is complete. Unlike in religion, there is no
final world
Lou says:
Of course, Mayan
society was a class society. Of course there were internal contradictions.
What is at issue is the notion of romanticism of pre-Columbia society.
People like Michael Parenti argue that colonialism produced a net loss for
the Guatemalan Mayans. So would be the case of
Lou says:
Yoshie:
I'm sympathetic to your sensibility here, but you can't fight against
Kautskyist politics by declaiming that Aztec Mexico was a better
place to live for its average inhabitant than Mexico City today.
Why not--if this is the issue, in one form or another, that has been at the
Why does it have to be black and white. There are some gains and some
losses. I don't know if I would rather be a serf in 1500 or in a factory
in 1750. Both were difficult and unpleasant occupations. I would rather
work in a Ford plant today than either of the other choices, but my
standard
Embarking on a new series of cost-cutting measures, Hewlett-Packard is
asking its U.S. employees to voluntary sign up for one of the following
options: a 10% pay cut over a four-month period; a combination of a 5%
pay
for those months plus taking four paid vacation days; or taking eight
Tim Bousquet wrote:
In effect, the tax burden has been shifted from
property owners and onto mall patrons.
snip
In short, you can blame malling in California in large
part on Prop 13.
I agree. Time to critically re-read _The Fiscal Crisis of the
State_, in light of the subsequent neoliberal
At 12:35 PM 6/29/01 -0400, you wrote:
Jim Devine:
conclusive evidence? in science, and especially social science, there's
no such thing.
So does this mean that the agrarian origins of capitalism in 15th century
Great Britain is also up for grabs?
_obviously_: any theory, no matter how
At 12:43 PM 6/29/01 -0400, you wrote:
In fact, I am thinking of getting out of here anyhow because I am
tired of having to put up with baiting from ... Jim Devine.
Louis, please put my name on your automatic filter list (as I asked you to
do before).
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 10:11 AM 6/29/01 -0700, you wrote:
Careful Jim, next thing you know you'll be reading Barbara Herrnstein
Smith and Bruno Latour! :-)
I've never heard of those folks. Who are they?
The late Richard Feynman was a great scientist and I find the quote in my
signature line (see below) to be a
At 07:55 PM 6/27/01 -0700, you wrote:
Their new annual report online:
http://www.transparency.org/
so if these people are so opposed to corruption, what are they going to do
about Bush/Cheney and the Gang of 5 in the Supreme Court?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 10:11 AM 6/29/01 -0700, you wrote:
Careful Jim, next thing you know you'll be reading Barbara
Herrnstein
Smith and Bruno Latour! :-)
I've never heard of those folks. Who are they?
Jim,
Latour is key figure in the sociology of scientific
knowledge/science studies debate.
Jim Devine writes:
I think one problem is that you seem to assume that capitalism is merely a
bunch of mutually-beneficial exchanges between individuals. This misses the
class and expansionary nature of capitalism.
Where did this come from and what does this have to do with the topic at
hand?
Jim Devine writes:
(The previous email in response was sent prematurely).
I think one problem is that you seem to assume that capitalism is merely a
bunch of mutually-beneficial exchanges between individuals. This misses the
class and expansionary nature of capitalism.
Where did this come
At 11:14 AM 6/29/01 -0700, you wrote:
Particularly troubling was how he [Feynman], unwittingly, provided cover
for the
bumbling of understanding the Challenger tragedy.
I dunno. He stuck an O-ring in ice water and it fell apart, showing how
shoddy NASA's efforts had been, while refusing (in
(response to sections of a review of Ronald Radosh's Commies in the
latest Nation, www.thenation.com)
MARTIN DUBERMAN:
I am not a Latin America expert, and perhaps for that reason alone I pretty
much believed what I read at the time in the left-wing press about events
in El Salvador and
Jim Devine wrote:
At 10:11 AM 6/29/01 -0700, you wrote:
Careful Jim, next thing you know you'll be reading Barbara Herrnstein
Smith and Bruno Latour! :-)
I've never heard of those folks. Who are they?
http://www.ensmp.fr/~latour/
http://www.duke.edu/literature/BHS.html
academics
I dunno. He stuck an O-ring in ice water and it fell apart, showing
how
shoddy NASA's efforts had been, while refusing (in his curmudgeonly
way) to
play ball with the bureaucrats. That's clearly not a full-scale
analysis of
what went wrong, but it is a piece of the picture.
Yup.
Michael Perelman wrote
Why does it have to be black and white. There are some gains and some
losses. I don't know if I would rather be a serf in 1500 or in a factory
in 1750. Both were difficult and unpleasant occupations. I would rather
work in a Ford plant today than either of the other
I wrote:
I think one problem is that you seem to assume that capitalism is merely a
bunch of mutually-beneficial exchanges between individuals. This misses the
class and expansionary nature of capitalism.
David Shemano wrote:
Where did this come from and what does this have to do with the topic
Far from denying or rejecting the gains of capitalism, they want to
benefit from them. Somehow this desire for modernization --
including desire for mod cons pooh-poohed by some Greens in rich
nations -- that animates mass struggles everywhere in the world is
often ignored or dismissed in
Christian wrote:
--
I specifically said that the money supply will fluctuate under a gold
standard in respond to liquidity demands. The point is that the
decision of increasing/decreasing the money supply will be made by the
market, not the idiosyncracies of the Fed governors.
I believe it is Frances Moore Lappe. She's great. I new here back in the
60's.
-Original Message-
From: Louis Proyect [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:14416] Re: Zapatistas Desire for Mod Cons (was Re:
Foster
BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, FRIDAY, JUNE 29, 2001:
RELEASED TODAY; In March 2001, employer costs for employee compensation
for civilian workers in private industry and State and local government in
the United States averaged $22.15 per hour worked, the U.S. Department of
Labor's Bureau of
Lou posted:
Far from denying or rejecting the gains of capitalism, they want to
benefit from them. Somehow this desire for modernization --
including desire for mod cons pooh-poohed by some Greens in rich
nations -- that animates mass struggles everywhere in the world is
often ignored or
The above criticism of Harry Cleaver sounds right, which in no way
negates the importance of demands for modernization -- electricity,
potable water, education, up-to-date health care, housing with mod
cons, investment in infrastructure, etc. -- expressed by the
Zapatistas: struggle that is
Lou:
The above criticism of Harry Cleaver sounds right, which in no way
negates the importance of demands for modernization -- electricity,
potable water, education, up-to-date health care, housing with mod
cons, investment in infrastructure, etc. -- expressed by the
Zapatistas: struggle that
David wrote:
a gold standard policy is entirely neutral as to the strength/weakness
of the economy. The sole goal is to maintain the constant value of the
currency as a unit of account.
Right: under the gold standard, the _only_ purpose of monetary policy is to
avoid inflation -- in the
Again, this is a misunderstanding. Greenspan is attempting, through the
manipulation of interest rates, to act counter-cyclically to his personal
understanding of the strength/weakness of the economy. Comparatively, a
gold standard policy is entirely neutral as to the strength/weakness of
The next nasty, snide, sarcastic note that comes to the list will earn the
sender 1 week's suspension. All this nasty stuff is ridiculous.
While people may think that they are communicating important information,
they are really driving people off the list. Enough!
--
Michael Perelman
Actually, I am suspending myself right now for a week and probably quite a
bit longer. Whether I come back or not, I have to think about. This list is
completely hostile to my (and Mark's) viewpoint. We have seen a steady
succession of resignations for the same basic reasons from PEN-L, including
This is not the way labor economists say it is supposed to work.
Richardson_D wrote:
BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, FRIDAY, JUNE 29, 2001:
Several factors are combining to constrain the current supply of nurses in
the United States, a key factor being job dissatisfaction, according to
MPerelman:
This is not the way labor economists say it is supposed to work.
=
As in the labor market should not be an agora of dissatisfaction or
there are analytic/explanatory shortcomings in the received view of
how agents in various sectors of the economy [health care in this
Lou, I don't think that people are hostile to your viewpoint. On the
contrary, I think that there is considerable [but not unaminous] support.
I have received a number of complaints about your style, as you must know
yourself.
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 04:57:34PM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
from a physicist friend...
to the following?
* Nader vs. the Big Rock Candy Mountain
Jesse Lemisch
[from New Politics, vol. 8, no. 3 (new series), whole no. 31, Summer 2001]
... I SUPPORTED RALPH NADER FOR PRESIDENT IN 2000. Nonetheless, I
think that in some ways Nader and the Greens
At 02:30 PM 6/29/01 -0700, you wrote:
Louis Proyect wrote:
This list is
completely hostile to my (and Mark's) viewpoint. We have seen a steady
succession of resignations for the same basic reasons from PEN-L, including
... Michael Yates, Jim Craven, Nestor Gorojovsky and
probably some
Friday June 29 4:10 PM ET
WTO Rules for U.S. on Lumber Issue
By NAOMI KOPPEL, Associated Press Writer
GENEVA (AP) - The World Trade Organization on Friday rejected Canadian
claims that the United States was breaking international trade rules
in a dispute linked to the huge North American lumber
MindAphid said:
from a physicist friend...
..
Lawrence B. Crowell
is this the same one as:
http://www.altenergy.org/4/ine-99/crowell/crowell.html
the same who wrote the thingy on quantum gravity and energy?
les schaffer
Yeah! Our social and environmental policy is to subsidize corporate rape of
our forests. However the US also subsidizes forest companies through
roadbuilding etc. as I understand it..I no doubt there are other less
obvious subsidies.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
03/21/01 -- Canada Primarily Responsible
- Original Message -
From: Mark Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Comments after passages:
Probably things like this make me suspect that Doug is a closet fan of
capitalism:
You can hardly open a newspaper or turn on the TV (well, at least
tuned to certain channels) without hearing
Ken, I hope that you sent this before I issued my ultimatum calling for a
halt to this sort of exchange.
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 08:49:43PM -0500, Ken Hanly wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Mark Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Comments after passages:
Probably things like this
The Globe and Mail June 23, 2001
You wouldn't wish it on a dog
In the plush precincts of Los Angeles, every household has its nanny,
and every home its dog. Guess which one is better off? As Doug Saunders
reports, Beverly Hills canines lounge in comfort, matching their supermodel
and
William S. Lear:
Especially when it is so far from the mark as to become crude and ugly
pastiche.
Bill, don't get into this, unless you are really looking for trouble. I
cannot begin to tell you just how unimpressive you are. Don't make me start.
Because I have a strong urge to tell you what
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