Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-23 Thread Sabri Oncu
>From the article Gene sent: > "When intellectuals talk among themselves, they > talk in a way that is impossible for a general > audience to understand," he says. "They may be > talking about great things, but they're in an > intellectual alley. Unless we talk to that kid, > we're just hanging o

Making money the Bush way.

2002-02-23 Thread Ken Hanly
The Los Angeles Times February 19 2002 Making Money, the Bush Way By Robert Scheer You have to hand it to George Bush the senior for hustle. Back in 1998, he took at least $80,000 in stock from Global Crossing in return for speaking for the company in Tokyo. The payment was made as the com

Re: Re: Carnagie 2002 and developments in Venezuela

2002-02-23 Thread Ken Hanly
Washington-Backed Coup Plot Update Associated Press MONDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 2002 CARACAS, Venezuela - A Venezuelan Navy vice admiral demanded on Monday that President Hugo Chavez resign in the latest show of discontent among the military top brass with the leftist President's stewardship of t

poll on Medicare in Canada

2002-02-23 Thread Ken Hanly
Does anyone know of a source for consumer satisfaction polls of the US health care system? According to this article satisfaction with the system is less than in Canada. Cheers, Ken Hanly The Globe and Mail Saturday, January 26, 2002 Canadians reject radical health-care changes: Most blam

Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-23 Thread Eugene Coyle
Published on Saturday, February 23, 2002 in the Toronto Globe & Mail Shop Till You ... Stop! by Shawna Richer Sut Jhally has seen the enemy, and it is ads. The 46-year-old communications professor at the

Re: Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-23 Thread Sabri Oncu
Miyachi wrote: > Most important is that Marx tried firstly to prove > ability of working class to destroy civil society, > not tried to explain economical phenomena from > without. In Japan, from pre-war to 1960', Marxists > focused mainly market analysis modeled after Stalin's > dogma. Its obje

Re: Carnagie 2002 and developments in Venezuela

2002-02-23 Thread Michael Perelman
The coup in Venezuela should be easy, especially after all the US troops hit Colombia. I cannot believe what a free ride the spineless Dems. are giving W. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: PEN-L digest 71

2002-02-23 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 2/23/2002 10:47:30 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Comment:1) Perhaps I am not clear about whether you are really serious about this or not, but the implications of this are that anyone who is unemployed and or a part of the lumpen elements - is "objectively

Carnagie 2002 and developments in Venezuela

2002-02-23 Thread bantam
G'day Penpals, > Andrew Carnegie used to follow Rakesh's strategy. It worked for him, > but then > the long term trend for steel was very strong. Fiber optic cable ??? Carnagie was no fool. I've thrown the whole $17.60 into arable land over clean brimming aquifers, geigercounters and cremato

Re: Colombia

2002-02-23 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 2/23/2002 10:25:27 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW2, I see that Jonas Savimbi died. He will not be missed. Jim Devine Couldn't happen to a better person. Melvin P.

Here is where H* goes off the rails

2002-02-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Here is the key statement in H*'s article that Rakesh mentioned. I don't think that many of us would expect relative prices to be THE driving factor. I say this even though I have stressed the importance of rising wages in promoting modernization. "Not only the rate of interest but also the rel

Calpers to continue in Southeast Asia private equity, bonds

2002-02-23 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Hindustantimes.com February 23, 2002 Calpers to continue in Southeast Asia private equity, bonds Reuters San Francisco , 22-02-2002 US pension fund giant Calpers, which stunned Southeast Asian markets on Wednesday with a decision to divest stock holdings from four countries, said on Thursday i

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Krugman Komes Around

2002-02-23 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>Where did Hayek use that metaphor? "The Austrian Critique", The Economist, 11 June, 1983 pp.45-8 as reported in GR Steele The Economics of Friedrich Hayek. I think Justin's interest in Hayek only extends to the socialist calculation debate, not his theory of capital and business cycles? >

Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: new cpi

2002-02-23 Thread Eugene Coyle
How our consumer tastes change over time is explained by Robin Marris as an electro-chemical change in the brain. We learn to consume and form habits. There is a section or chapter on "Demand" in Marris' book Managerial Capitalism that lays this out in a persuasive way. There is also quite a bit

Re: RE: Re: on the necessity of god, goddess, gods, goddesses, or a combinati on of the above

2002-02-23 Thread Eugene Coyle
How many, and/or what percentage of economists are in the last category -- i. e. "don't know that it's an assumption"? My guess, and it is just a guess, is that the percentage is somewhat higher than 99. Gene Coyle "Devine, James" wrote: > > Actually, neoclassical general equilibrium economist

RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: new cpi

2002-02-23 Thread Devine, James
Eric writes >... Strong evidence exists, I think, that ... "utility" becomes more demanding over time. This is something that the CPI assumes away but is something very important for determining subjective experiences of the standard of living in differ times. >For instance, if you had the EXACT

RE: RE: Re: Colombia

2002-02-23 Thread michael pugliese
Grover Norquist will go I'm sure. "Gang of Five, " by Nina Easton has a bunch of pages on Norquist and Savimbi. Michael Pugliese--- Original Message --- >From: "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED] '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2/23/02 11:08:29 AM > >Gene Coyle writes: >Re

RE: Re: Re: new cpi

2002-02-23 Thread Devine, James
one problem is that as you drink more booze, your tastes change (as your judgement falters). As a result, it sure seems that some of my students get _increasing returns_ to drinking, until they reach the tipping point (tippling point?) and bow down before the porcelain god. JD Michael wrote, >

Re: Re: Re: Re: Krugman Komes Around

2002-02-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Where did Hayek use that metaphor? Also, I discussed the overlap between H*yek and Marx before in my Marx book, but the overlap I emphasized was in the relationship between crises and problems in coordination via the market. Rakesh Bhandari wrote: > > The theoretical point here is--to use Hayek

Re: Re: new cpi

2002-02-23 Thread enilsson
Michael wrote, > Let me see if I have this right: if the price of champagne > increases and I switch to beer, then substitution dampens > the effect of inflation. I believe what is involved is the BLS distinguishing between the income and substitution effects of price changes. As the price of

Re: Help Stop Ohio's Anti-Choice Resolution

2002-02-23 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>[Please forward to your pro-choice friends in Ohio] Diane, have you had a chance to read Rickie Lee Solinger's criticism of framing the fight for abortion rights in terms of choice (there was a favorable review in the NY TImes review of books a few weeks ago). I have only read Solinger's firs

Re: Re: Re: Krugman Komes Around

2002-02-23 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
I had written: Krugman [suffers] an astonishing logical lapse here. He assumes rather than proves that current investment is determined by either current or expected consumption. Marx refers to this as the stupid dogma that the aim of capitalist production is consumption. ok but as consumer

Re: Re: Krugman Komes Around

2002-02-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Andrew Carnegie used to follow Rakesh's strategy. It worked for him, but then the long term trend for steel was very strong. Fiber optic cable ??? Rakesh Bhandari wrote: > Moreover, for those investment projects that are meant to meet a > long term trend couldn't a drop in immediate consumpt

Help Stop Ohio's Anti-Choice Resolution

2002-02-23 Thread Diane Monaco
[Please forward to your pro-choice friends in Ohio] "Ironically, abortion opponents voice safety arguments when their ultimate goal - outlawing abortion - is most dangerous for women's health" Anti-choice organizations in Ohio have introduced House Resolution 196 that would create a group to

Re: new cpi

2002-02-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Let me see if I have this right: if the price of champagne increases and I switch to beer, then substitution dampens the effect of inflation. If I switch from a calculator to a computer, then that change represents an increase in quality and not an increase in price. I recall Doug's describing

Re: Re: RE: Re: new cpi

2002-02-23 Thread enilsson
Doug wrote >All these "technical revisions" have been happening over > the last few years, and I'll bet this one's been in place for a while. Undoubtedly given how long the BLS tests things before they introduce it. But although this revision will reduce the measured inflation rate, it has ve

Re: Wiseacres Anonymous

2002-02-23 Thread Timework Web
All I know is that if one dwells on the topic too long the grammar begins to look wrong. For example what is the relationship between the preposition "in", the verb believe and the term God? In this context, the utility may well be reminding us not to go on at length about the ineffable. Speaking

Re: Re: Re: Re: Mommy, what's a corporation?

2002-02-23 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
Title: Re: [PEN-L:23072] Re: Re: Re: Mommy, what's a corporat Btw, the last time I talked to Richard, he suggested the following piece ought to be looked at by all troublemakers who can get their hands on it: ARTICLE The Thirteenth Amendment Versus the Commerce Clause: Labor and the Shaping of

Re: Re: Re: PEN-L digest 71

2002-02-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Oh, hell, Ravi broke the code. We will have to use something more sophisticated. On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 12:58:32PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Quoting Hari Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Sorry to be so elementary folks: > > But what is "CPI" and "BLS."? > > > > consumer price index?

RE: Re: Colombia

2002-02-23 Thread Devine, James
Gene Coyle writes: Re Savimbi: Is President Bush going to send Cheney to the funeral or is he going himself? He wouldn't send Cheney, because the government needs him (Dick, that is) to make decisions. So Dubya would go. JD

Re: Wiseacres Anonymous

2002-02-23 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, I characterized Tom's thoughts as a wiseacre, and the truth in that is that Tom has a light heartedness, and wit, not wiseacre about him. I enjoy Tom's comments. Secondly I acknowledge the seriousness of his comment, Tom, [1585-95; < MD wijssager prophet, t

Re: Re: PEN-L digest 71

2002-02-23 Thread gadfly
Quoting Hari Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Sorry to be so elementary folks: > But what is "CPI" and "BLS."? > consumer price index? communist party of india? bureau of labour statistics? more authoritative answers are sure to follow but i couldnt resist the temptation of for once trying to be o

Re: Colombia

2002-02-23 Thread Eugene Coyle
Re Savim bi: Is President Bush going to send Cheney to the funeral or is he going himself? Gene Coyle "Devine, James" wrote: > So it looks as if the US is about to jump with with both feet in the war > against the FARC in Colombia. It's a classic case of overdetermination, > i.e., that there's

Re: Colombia

2002-02-23 Thread Eugene Coyle
What about Venezuela? That looks to me like a classic CIA de-stabilization effort. Gene Coyle "Devine, James" wrote: > So it looks as if the US is about to jump with with both feet in the war > against the FARC in Colombia. It's a classic case of overdetermination, > i.e., that there's no sing

Re: RE: Re: new cpi

2002-02-23 Thread Doug Henwood
Eric Nilsson wrote: >RE >> It's been clear for a long time that the BLS has largely gone along >> with the Boskin stuff . . . > >I imagine that the behavior of the BLS towards "revising" (sic) the CPI >changed once Katherine Abraham left as head of the BLS. > >Her term expired in about Septembe

Re: Re: PEN-L digest 71

2002-02-23 Thread Michael Perelman
consumer price index and bureau of labor statistics On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 11:46:29AM -0500, Hari Kumar wrote: > Sorry to be so elementary folks: > But what is "CPI" and "BLS."? > Hari Kumar > -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-

Re: PEN-L digest 71

2002-02-23 Thread Hari Kumar
Sorry to be so elementary folks: But what is "CPI" and "BLS."? Hari Kumar

Re: PEN-L digest 71

2002-02-23 Thread Hari Kumar
> IN: 48) Re: Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism 2 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] - In a >Note: aso entitled "A New Era - A New Doctrine II" : Melvin Wrote this: > Trying to take "socialism" to the working class is useless for several reasons. One >important reason is that the process of the decay o

Colombia

2002-02-23 Thread Devine, James
So it looks as if the US is about to jump with with both feet in the war against the FARC in Colombia. It's a classic case of overdetermination, i.e., that there's no single cause: it's (1) part of the "war against terrorism" (i.e., the battle to establish the US as the world state) since allegedl

history repeats itself...

2002-02-23 Thread Devine, James
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-13610feb22.story Enron a Rerun of History Financial fiascoes and 'creative accounting' are nothing new to American investors. Booms often can set the stage for scandals. By PETER G. GOSSELIN TIMES STAFF WRITER February 22 2002/L.A. TIMES WASHI

Wiseacres Anonymous

2002-02-23 Thread Tom Walker
Doyle Saylor wrote, >PS Tom is a wiseacre in starting this thread, and I recognize the >difference >in seriousness of his message and my own. Still the point he made is >worthy >of my attention in a serious manner anyway. [1585-95; < MD wijssager prophet, trans. of MHG

Re: Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-23 Thread miyachi
on 2002.02.23 05:20 PM, Rakesh Bhandari at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> In response to Doug's (tongue-in-cheek?) comment >> >>> Never. It was a ruse devised by the bourgeoisie to occupy the >>> attention of otherwise smart and knowledgeable Marxian economists on >>> something addictively divisive

Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-23 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>In response to Doug's (tongue-in-cheek?) comment > >>Never. It was a ruse devised by the bourgeoisie to occupy the >>attention of otherwise smart and knowledgeable Marxian economists on >>something addictively divisive but politically irrelevant. > >Charles writes > >>Charles: Isn't it worse tha

Re: Krugman Komes Around

2002-02-23 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
> >By PAUL KRUGMAN >First comes the victory parade. Later we'll find out if we won. > >We won't have a serious recovery until what economists call "final demand" >shows substantial increases, and workers start being rehired. Where will >that recovery come from? Krugman makes an astonishing logica