Here is a more complete reply to the article by Mr Webb
What is new in the realm of economics and the Marxist movement - in my
opinion, is making concrete the conception and articulation of the concepts
of boundary, polarization, antagonism as a specific movement applicable to
today's
In a message dated 2/27/2002 7:56:38 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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productive force belongs to human being. Its force
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In a message dated 2/27/2002 4:29:25 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We demand change in society along the direction of the
productive forces,
No. Not true. _Many_ Marxists but by no means all put central emphasis
on the "productive
Jim
wrote,
How do we measure the "productive forces," anyway? It seems
that capitalismwould measure their development differently from other
modes of production.(Capitalism might measure them in terms of labor
productivity, which ismarketable output per worker, corrected for
I wrote: How do we
measure the "productive forces," anyway?
Miyachi writes: We
measure productive force by quantity and value of commodities produced. It all.
you forget always object people act on. labor productivity itself can't be
measured without commodity workers product. An price of
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Jim D. writes
Eric N. writes: I would go further. It could be argued that no
objective measure of the level of productive forces can exist.
Presumably a productive force is considered productive because it leads to
some good or service that people want and/or need. But, as Smith and
dd writes
I think it would be possible in principle to come up
with a mathematically rigorous definition of the productive forces in
terms of the ability to produce arbitrary physical objects of a given
information-theoretic complexity of structure, and then carry the analysis
on from there.
Eric Nilsson wrote:
The level, and rate of growth, of the productive forces is
subjectively determined Further, if people can be convinced that they
no longer want what the machines and tools and technology of their
society produces they might come to see the productive forces within
their
Some useful information. Sabri
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Productive Forces, was Re: reply-part 2
by Carrol Cox
26 February 2002 18:26 UTC
No Not true _Many_ Marxists but by no means all put central emphasis
on the productive forces Others argue that this proposition about the
necessary growth of productive forces applies not to all history (and
Productive Forces, was Re: reply-part 2
by miyachi
27 February 2002 14:03 UTC
Thus character of appropriation is not capital s essence There were
appropriation in any age Important is the special aim of capitalist
appropriation That is money
^^
CB: Isn't the special aim of
In a message dated 2/28/2002 10:06:01 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I wrote: How do we measure the "productive forces," anyway?
Miyachi writes: We measure productive force by quantity and value of commodities produced. It all. you forget always object people act on.
In a message dated 2/28/2002 8:56:25 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jim wrote,
How do we measure the "productive forces," anyway? It seems that capitalism
would measure their development differently from other modes of production.
(Capitalism might measure them in terms of
On the necessity of socialism
by Waistline2
26 February 2002 22:13 UTC
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Melvin: The Communist Pary USA did not exist one hundred years
ago and it should have stated half a century ago
CB: I don't quite follow this Please reiterate
^
Everyone must do what's in their
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Productive Forces
by Devine, James
28 February 2002 16:11 UTC
Charles: I agree with the questioning in the exchange below, however, actually the
productive _forces_ can be measured to a certain extent using the physics concept of
force, in that there is at least in the period from
The problem is a question of measurement, not whether humans are
decisive.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is not human beings the decisive element in the production forces?
Melvin P.
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Melvin
P wrote,
Is not human beings the decisive
element in the production forces?
Certainly an argument can be made that, broadly
understood, human beings are part of the productive forces. Whether it is the
"decisive element," I don't know.
I don't think Marx--not that his opinion is
Title: Re: [PEN-L:23309] RE: RE: Productive Forces
on 2002.03.01 01:02 AM, Devine, James at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wrote: How do we measure the productive forces, anyway?
Miyachi writes: We measure productive force by quantity and value of commodities produced. It all. you forget
Charles wrote:
actually the productive _forces_ can be measured to a
certain extent using the physics concept of force, in that
there is at least in the period from European feudalism to
capitalism a leap in the amount of energy capture and ability to
do work ( in the physics sense of
I don't know who started using html formatting on this thread but it is
obnoxious
Carrol
Eric Nilsson wrote:
I guess the equations of mv or mv^2
also existed Was Karl M aware of such things and, if so, did it play a
part in the development of his theory of history?
Are you assuming that Marx _did_ have a theory of (universal) history
based on the development of the
Back in 1992-96, after the US had beaten the USSR in Afghanistan and then
abandoned the country to its fate, the central government collapsed. Thus,
Afghanistan was ruled by a bunch of warring tribal groups and
miscellaneous mujahadeen groupings (many of which had been trained and/or
armed by the
Carrol wrote:
Are you assuming that Marx _did_ have a theory of (universal) history
based on the development of the productive forces?
I am assuming that at one point Marx did have a theory of history in which
the productive forces played an essential role Whether concepts from the
physics of
But Charles' point raises an idea I've not thought
of before--which likely has been well-discussed by
those more knowledgeable than me: to what extent
did Karl M. get his ideas about productive forces
from the ideas of physics then current in Europe?
The notion of force (as used in physics)
Thank you. I have been lax in making the same point.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 02:55:46PM -0600, Carrol Cox wrote:
I don't know who started using html formatting on this thread but it is
obnoxious.
Carrol
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA
Carrol wrote
I don't know who started using html formatting on
this thread but it is obnoxious.
Was blue text what you are referring to? If so, it was me: I mistakenly sent
out such a message.
But, for what it is worth, colored text is not always the same as HTML. My
blue text was courtesy
Productive Forces
by Eric Nilsson
28 February 2002 20:39 UTC
Charles wrote:
actually the productive _forces_ can be measured to a
certain extent using the physics concept of force, in that
there is at least in the period from European feudalism to
capitalism a leap in the amount of
Charles wrote,
CB: He was certainly aware of these physics basics, but I am sure
he did not reduce his productive forces to physical forces
I didn't hope to imply that I merely wondered if Marx's way of thinking
about historical developments was influenced by ideas developed first in
Productive Forces
by Carrol Cox
28 February 2002 21:20 UTC
Eric Nilsson wrote:
I guess the equations of mv or mv^2
also existed Was Karl M aware of such things and, if so, did it play a
part in the development of his theory of history?
Are you assuming that Marx _did_ have a theory of
On the necessity/Sam Webb article
by Waistline2
28 February 2002 13:50 UTC
Here is a more complete reply to the article by Mr Webb
-clip- Mr Webb article is devoid
of any logic that something new has taken place in the world of economics in
my opinion - and elementary logic
^^
CB:
Sabri Oncu wrote,
. . .The main
reason of why I am writing this is to let you know about a book I
found a while ago in a used book store. It is this: The
Mathematical Manuscripts of Karl Marx, New Park Publications Ltd,
1983. The book was edited by S.A. Yanovskaya in Moscow in 1968.
The
Devine, James wrote:
(Leftists and even liberals sometimes
sneer at law and order -- because it's often a code-phrase for something
bad -- but the vast majority see real law and order as necessary to having
even a minimally acceptable life That's an important reason why anarchy
has so
Eric Nilsson wrote:
Carrol wrote
I don't know who started using html formatting on
this thread but it is obnoxious
Was blue text what you are referring to? If so, it was me: I mistakenly sent
out such a message
But, for what it is worth, colored text is not always the same as
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