and they're off....

2002-03-14 Thread Ian Murray
[Makes one wonder whether the Right is up to testing ways to scrap the WTO] March 15, 2002 China Files Complaint to W.T.O. on Steel Tariffs By BLOOMBERG NEWS BEIJING, Friday, March 15 (Bloomberg News) - China, the world's largest steel maker, filed a complaint today to the World Trade Organizat

RE: RE: Andersen

2002-03-14 Thread Devine, James
>Interesting, isn't it? If Andersen goes down, there will be "less competition and less incentive among the remaining four", say our lovely commentators at the Economist. >So, we better save Andersen to save competition, I say. Moreover, my sister-in-law works there. < save competition? why?

US-Canada lumber deal?

2002-03-14 Thread Ian Murray
Bush says softwood deal within reach By ROMA LUCIW Globe and Mail Update Thursday, March 14 - Online Edition, Posted at 8:14 PM EST U.S. President George W. Bush said Thursday that an agreement in the softwood lumber dispute could be reached before the end of the month. Negotiators "are workin

the PE of hunger

2002-03-14 Thread Ian Murray
HindustanTimes.com Wednesday, March 13, 2002 World hungry total 815 m AFP, Tehran Around 815 million people in the world suffer from hunger and malnutrition, mostly in developing countries, the head of the Rome-based UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) said today. "There are around 815 m

RE: Venezuela: Next Chile?

2002-03-14 Thread Sabri Oncu
> they actually said they’d support a “transitional government”? > > Jim D. I don't think so. Most likely they said, a "transnational government", "global government", "global governance", "Empire", what have you? Sabri

New twin towers

2002-03-14 Thread Bill Rosenberg
People might appreciate Garrick Tremain's "New twin towers" cartoon at http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,0a1863,FF.html Bill

RE: Andersen

2002-03-14 Thread Sabri Oncu
Interesting, isn't it? If Andersen goes down, there will be "less competition and less incentive among the remaining four", say our lovely commentators at the Economist. So, we better save Andersen to save competition, I say. Moreover, my sister-in-law works there. Why is it that there are just

RE: Venezuela: Next Chile?

2002-03-14 Thread Devine, James
> The International Monetary Fund has indicated it supports a "transitional government" for Venezuela. The Caracas daily El Nacional says the IMF is willing to bankroll those who remove Chavez from office. <   they actually said they’d support a “transitional government”? Jim D.

simian cybernetics.

2002-03-14 Thread Ian Murray
The World's No.1 Science & Technology News Service US Army seeks nanotech suits 12:23 14 March 02 NewScientist.com news service A new Institute for Soldier Nanotechnologies was created on Wednesday at MIT, with a US Army grant of $50 million over five years. The institute has a remit to produc

Venezuela: Next Chile?

2002-03-14 Thread Bill Rosenberg
  Venezuela: Next Chile? By John Pilger He has won two elections, and he has made a start on relieving poverty. So now the US wants to get rid of Venezuela's president Chavez. Almost 30 years after the violent destruction of the reformist government of Salvador Allende in Chile, a r

Re: simian cybernetics.

2002-03-14 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm worrying: suppose that they start operating on people, putting little > chips in their heads so that they can think to control their computers. > What's the neurological equivalent of an MS Windows Blue Screen? would one

RE: Re: Living Wage

2002-03-14 Thread Max Sawicky
Well some people would say he didn't need any help. I'm not into that literature, so I couldn't say. But you know people who are, who could. mbs > > > Hasn't Neumark discredited himself enough working with Berman? >

simian cybernetics.

2002-03-14 Thread Devine, James
In Breakthrough, Monkey Think, Computer Do By ROBERT LEE HOTZ TIMES STAFF WRITER L.A. TIMES/March 14 2002 An experimental brain implant the size of an M&M has allowed a monkey to control a computer cursor by thought alone, Brown University researchers announced Wednesday. It is the latest advan

RE: Re: RE: Re: LETTERS TO THE EDITOR: Mystery of about-turn on

2002-03-14 Thread Devine, James
Gene C writes: And the Malvinas go to ... ? me. (Leopold, King of the Belgians.)

Re: Living Wage

2002-03-14 Thread Michael Perelman
Hasn't Neumark discredited himself enough working with Berman? Max Sawicky wrote: > In related news, today Hell froze over. > > PPIC aspires to be the Brookings of the West. > At this rate they'll never make it. > > -mbs > > -Original Message- > From: Industrial Relations Research Associ

RE: Andersen

2002-03-14 Thread Sabri Oncu
> this reminds me: it's been reported that the > Anderson/Enron [Anderon?Enderson?] scandals > have made accounting a "sexier" and thus more > popular college major. > Jim D. Jim, This is for sure. A friend, who is a professor of accounting at Stanford, told me that there was a 40% increase in a

Re: RE: RE: RE: Re: RE: marx's proof regarding surplus value and profit

2002-03-14 Thread Ken Hanly
Let's suppose that X claims that if people believe strongly enough in the power of the deity Shazam that enemy bullets will not harm them when they go into battle. I point out that as a matter of fact lots of believers in Shazam have been killed by enemy bullets in battle. A defender of Shazam c

Re: RE: Re: LETTERS TO THE EDITOR: Mystery of about-turn on

2002-03-14 Thread Eugene Coyle
And the Malvinas go to ... ? Gene C "Devine, James" wrote: > > The question then is whether Argentina should be returned to Spain. Or > does Prof Dornbusch have another suggestion?< > > Obviously, Argentina should be returned to its native populations. > JD

Re: Re: RE: Moving it offlist

2002-03-14 Thread Michael Perelman
I thought that the message that I received was sent to me off list. Obviously, such a personal characterization of any member "obnoxious" has no business here. That can start a stupid flame war. On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 02:03:07PM -0800, Michael Perelman wrote: > I am sure that he still is. > >

RE: Re: LETTERS TO THE EDITOR: Mystery of about-turn on

2002-03-14 Thread Devine, James
> The question then is whether Argentina should be returned to Spain. Or does Prof Dornbusch have another suggestion?< Obviously, Argentina should be returned to its native populations. JD

Re: RE: Moving it offlist

2002-03-14 Thread Michael Perelman
I am sure that he still is. On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 10:46:58AM -0800, michael pugliese wrote: > >While you have Andrew send e-mail addy to you Chaz, ask the > obnoxious comrade if he is still a member of News & Letters. > You too should have a good dialogue in state capitalism in ther > fSU

Re: LETTERS TO THE EDITOR: Mystery of about-turn on

2002-03-14 Thread Sabri Oncu
>From the letter Charles sent: > Also, it must be noted that suggesting a foreign > board of central bankers to control monetary policy, > and another foreign board to verify fiscal performance, > is tantamount to suggesting colonisation of Argentina > by foreign agents. The question then is whe

RE: Andersen

2002-03-14 Thread Devine, James
Sabri writes: > I am quite curious to know whether they will start offering courses on shredding in the accounting departments of the business schools?< this reminds me: it's been reported that the Anderson/Enron [Anderon? Enderson?] scandals have made accounting a "sexier" and thus more popular

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR: Mystery of about-turn on Argentina

2002-03-14 Thread Charles Brown
LETTERS TO THE EDITOR: Mystery of about-turn on Argentina Financial Times; Mar 12, 2002 By MATIAS VERNENGO >From Matias Vernengo. Sir, Back in February 1997, Professor Rudiger Dornbusch said: "Argentina is on the go - (it) is the only country in the world today that enjoys both price stability a

Andersen

2002-03-14 Thread Sabri Oncu
I am quite curious to know whether they will start offering courses on shredding in the accounting departments of the business schools? Sabri P.S: This joke belongs to someone else, who is on this list, so I acknowledge his priority. Top Financial News 03/14 15:57 Andersen Is In

Physical surplus and the cycle of production

2002-03-14 Thread comvox
Dr. Kliman has raised some issues regarding the meaningfulness of the term "physical surplus". Although I disagree with Dr. Kliman, I think he has raised two points of great interest. These are (1) Whether it is meaningful to talk about a phyical quantity that cannot be measured by a

Living Wage

2002-03-14 Thread Max Sawicky
In related news, today Hell froze over. PPIC aspires to be the Brookings of the West. At this rate they'll never make it. -mbs -Original Message- From: Industrial Relations Research Association [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel J.B. Mitchell Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1

RE: Moving it offlist

2002-03-14 Thread michael pugliese
While you have Andrew send e-mail addy to you Chaz, ask the obnoxious comrade if he is still a member of News & Letters. You too should have a good dialogue in state capitalism in ther fSU and Raya Dunayevskaya on Hegel. Michael, "the obnoxious, " Pugliese News and Letters ... Tahmeena Faryal

Dollars and Sense magazine editor search

2002-03-14 Thread Thad Williamson
Dear Pen-Lrs, Please circulate the following job announcement and/or inform interested persons. We will be hiring two editors in the next few months, one to start in May, the other to start no later than August 1. thank you-- Dollars & Sense: The Magazine of Economic Justice. Editor needed f

testing

2002-03-14 Thread Devine, James
testing Jim Devine

Moving it offlist

2002-03-14 Thread Charles Brown
Andrew, Could you send me your email address ? Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: net products, profit, surplus-labor

2002-03-14 Thread Eric Nilsson
The following are neutral questions as I have nothing vested at all in any previous models of Marx's value theory. I do have problems with models of the sort that Andrew K thinks are invalid. In response to Daniel D's: >"Why would anyone carry out production of a good worth half as >much as its

Japan / what is optimum growth ?

2002-03-14 Thread Charles Brown
Japan / what is optimum growth ? by Ian Murray 14 March 2002 00:30 UTC < < < The Japan Times: March 14, 2002 EDITORIAL Thursday, March 14, 2002 JAPANESE DISTORTIONS A demand-starved economy By GREGORY CLARK ^^ CB: There is an ongoing claim by many economists that the Japanese economy

marx's proof regarding surplus value and profit

2002-03-14 Thread Charles Brown
marx's proof regarding surplus value and profit Drewk, >From what you explain, it seems to me you might want to say that Marx is being >mischaracterized or distorted, rather than suppressed. Although, there was to be a >book burning of Russian books in D.C. recently (? :>)), I think that Mar

Indonesian Apex Bank Governor Convicted

2002-03-14 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
The Financial Express March 14, 2002 Indonesian Apex Bank Governor Convicted Jakarta, March 13: An Indonesian court on Wednesday sentenced central bank governor Sjahril Sabirin to three years in jail for corruption over a long-running banking scandal. "Defendant Sjahril Sabirin is legally prov

net products, profit, surplus-labor

2002-03-14 Thread Drewk
This is in reply to Daniel Davies. People should really consult my paper. I answer these kinds of objections in it. "Why would anyone carry out production of a good worth half as much as its inputs?" They wouldn't, not knowingly. That's not what's at issue here. Consider the following table

some methodological issues

2002-03-14 Thread Drewk
Justin wrote: "Andrew, I haven't the energy or inclination to debate with you or Charles on the matter. I've read your work and learned from it, but I don't agree." -- No one is asking you to agree with any matter of substance. I don't care whether you do or not. Theory is not a popularity con

Re: Re: on class relation and buying and selling

2002-03-14 Thread miychi
On 2002.03.14 01:26 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In this, Roemer remains in the sphere of ownership, and forgets the sphere > of >production. For producing profits material production must be presumed. > And for >production, many firms must interact with each other and exc

RE: RE: Re: marx's proof regarding surplusvalue and profit

2002-03-14 Thread Davies, Daniel
>If you want more specificity, consider another two-good economy. >Sector A produces 10 units of A, using 9 units of A and 1 unit of >labor. Sector B produces 3 units of B, using up 2 units of A and >1 unit of labor. So there's a positive net product of B, 3 units, >and a negative net product of

RE: Re: marx's proof regarding surplus value and profit

2002-03-14 Thread Davies, Daniel
-Original Message- From: Michael Perelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 14 March 2002 01:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:23950] Re: marx's proof regarding surplus value and profit >. So, let's call a halt to >this. sorry; ifI could withdraw my previous reply to it