Europe will not pay

2003-03-13 Thread Chris Burford
Chris Patten EU commisioner for foreign affairs said Tuesday that Europe may not pay for the reconstruction of Iraq following a US invasion. This is an extraordinarily blunt statement for someone who has to represent a consensus opinion, and even though he glossed it over as politicians do. He

He did have the support of his own people

2003-03-13 Thread Chris Burford
Sir Terence Clark, UK ambassador to Iraq in mid to late 80's on BBC this am. He went on to say that was because Saddam brought them electricity, water, education and health, including to the villages. It was with the Iraq war and the Kuwait war that the standard of living, which was very high

Re: Blair and the crisis of democracy

2003-03-13 Thread Chris Burford
At 2003-03-12 19:22 -0800, Ian wrote: Blair is plunging Britain into a crisis of democracy Threat of war has created an unprecedented globalisation of public opinion Seumas Milne Thursday March 13, 2003 The Guardian Seumas Milne is one of the most consistent progressive journalists over more

US figures begin to break cover.

2003-03-13 Thread Chris Burford
Tuesday British media reported that Bill Clinton, had broken silence on the war by finding an ingenious way of saying that Bush should have listened to Blair more, and then there would have been less of a split with Europe. And Zbigniew Brzezinski (sp?), not remembered over here as a dove,

Bush ultimatum

2003-03-13 Thread Devine, James
Title: Bush ultimatum Bush Orders Iraq To Disarm Before Start Of War WASHINGTON, DC-Maintaining his hardline stance against Saddam Hussein, President Bush ordered Iraq to fully dismantle its military before the U.S. begins its invasion next week. U.S. intelligence confirms that, even as we

Re: Bush ultimatum

2003-03-13 Thread Gil Skillman
Excerpting from Jim's post: Bush said Sunday during his weekly radio address. This madman has every intention of firing back at our troops when we attack his country. Yeah, how crazy is that? Firing back at troops who attack your country? Who knows, if he's *really* crazy he'll order a

Re: Re: Bush ultimatum

2003-03-13 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Bush said Sunday during his weekly radio address. This madman has every intention of firing back at our troops when we attack his country. Yeah, how crazy is that? Firing back at troops who attack your country? Who knows, if he's *really* crazy he'll order a preemptive first

Re: Re: Bush ultimatum

2003-03-13 Thread Michael Perelman
The article was from the Onion, but today satire and reality are indistinguishable. On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 10:19:01AM -0500, Gil Skillman wrote: Excerpting from Jim's post: Bush said Sunday during his weekly radio address. This madman has every intention of firing back at our troops when

Commodity production 8000 years ago?

2003-03-13 Thread Grant Lee
From the Australian ABC-TV science show, _Catalyst_ We're told that [Australian] aborigines were nomads. Yet the local Gunditjmara in Western Victoria claim their ancestors lived in a village. They had eel farms, and even an eel industry, which exported produce across the country. If this is

Re: Re: A new Dark Ages at Virginia Tech

2003-03-13 Thread Steven McGraw
This is goddamn embarrassing. We had a huge rally today, though. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: A new Dark Ages at Virginia Tech

2003-03-13 Thread k hanly
So I guess Seymour Hersh would be banned since he is a terrorist according to Richard Perle. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PSN [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:55 AM Subject:

RE: Commodity production 8000 years ago?

2003-03-13 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35543] Commodity production 8000 years ago? according to Marx, commodity exchange and thus commodity production is as old as the hills, though I don't know if he thought in terms of 8000 years ago and Australian natives. In order that this alienation [of products] may be

How far does tolerance go?

2003-03-13 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Hakki Alacakaptan wrote: The notion that precapitalist social formations like the Yanomami, the Mapuche in Chile, the Miskitos in Sandinista Nicaragua, the Kurds, the Ogoni in Nigeria, et al have to be civilized at the point of a bayonet is antithetical to socialism. Hmm. You can

Why Hussein takes so long to disarm

2003-03-13 Thread k hanly
Anyway nothing would prove to the US that Hussein had disarmed. If he hasnt WMD the US will find them after the invasion anyway. Cheers, Ken Hanly http://www.accuracy.org/SH030803.htm Why So Long for Iraq to Comply? By SAM HUSSEINI It's been 12 years. Why hasn't Saddam Hussein complied? So

Re: Oh, Canadian Perfidy!

2003-03-13 Thread k hanly
Dont worry. The US rejects the proposal. Interesting enough prime minister Chretien has come out strongly against regime change. He doesnt have to worry since he is stepping down as leader of the Liberals. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Query: recent personal debt figures?

2003-03-13 Thread Diane Monaco
Hi everyone, Can someone possibly direct me to more recent personal debt (credit card, consumer/auto loans) figures for the US, which must be 1-2 trillion (US$) by now? I believe I read a Fed brief/memo on personal debt some time ago, but after a search of the FRED database, only percentage

drawing graphs

2003-03-13 Thread Diane Monaco
Authors, what have you successfully used in the past to draw detailed camera-ready graphs that provide lots of flexibility to: 1) draw nonlinear curves without using equations 2) position curves 3) indicate points and regions within the graph 4) label points/segments/regions throughout the

Code name for Iraq Invasion

2003-03-13 Thread k hanly
So what is the code name of the upcoming invasion of Iraq? Operation Just Because? Operation Enduring Freedom Fries? Operation Desert Madness?Operation Enduring Misery? Operation Infinite Arrogance? Cheers, Ken Hanly

Re: Code name for Iraq Invasion

2003-03-13 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: k hanly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: [PEN-L:35554] Code name for Iraq Invasion So what is the code name of the upcoming invasion of Iraq? Operation Just Because? Operation Enduring Freedom Fries?

Re: Code name for Iraq Invasion

2003-03-13 Thread Carl Remick
From: k hanly [EMAIL PROTECTED] So what is the code name of the upcoming invasion of Iraq? Operation Just Because? Operation Enduring Freedom Fries? Operation Desert Madness?Operation Enduring Misery? Operation Infinite Arrogance? Operation Just Us Carl

FW: Lip synch Bush Blair

2003-03-13 Thread Devine, James
Title: FW: Lip synch Bush Blair For fans of the Dubya Toni, see the following e-video: http://www.zen15631.zen.co.uk/bb.mpg Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: Charles Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL

FW: PARLIAMENT SECURES VOTE OF CONFIDENCE FROM THE PEOPLE OF TURKEY

2003-03-13 Thread Sabri Oncu
This is a response I wrote to a subscriber of the Rad-Green list who wrote to me personally. I made slight changes to it after I sent my response to him/her. Best, Sabri ++ However, Erdogan has now assumed prime ministership. What could this mean for the future? Dear , Let me

Re: Commodity production 8000 years ago?

2003-03-13 Thread Chris Burford
In a word: the Marxian law of value holds generally, as far as economic laws are valid at all, for the whole period of simple commodity production -- that is, up to the time when the latter suffers a modification through the appearance of the capitalist form of production. Up to that time,

Is war illegal without a second UN resolution?

2003-03-13 Thread Chris Burford
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,913590,00.html

RE: Is war illegal without a second UN resolution?

2003-03-13 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35560] Is war illegal without a second UN resolution? By the way, while I was driving around Los Angeles this afternoon, I heard some unnamed hawk being interviewed. His argument was that it was a major mistake for Bush to go to the U.N. for a war resolution. After all, the

Re: Is war illegal without a second UN resolution?

2003-03-13 Thread k hanly
http://www.counterpunch.org/mahajan03122003.html UN Resolution or Not, This War Violates International Law By Rahul Mahajan The majority of the antiwar movement has made a mistake in emphasizing the unilateral nature of the war on Iraq and the need for United Nations approval, and we may well

UN response to US fence cuts

2003-03-13 Thread k hanly
So the US and Kuwaitis make illegal incursion into the DMZ and cut fences to allow easy access for invasion and the UN response is to withdraw monitors from the Iraqi side! Not even a complaint. The UN is not only toothless it seems to voiceless as well.. Cheeers, Ken Hanly UN border monitors

Re: Re: Is war illegal without a second UN resolution?

2003-03-13 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: k hanly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:42 PM Subject: [PEN-L:35562] Re: Is war illegal without a second UN resolution? http://www.counterpunch.org/mahajan03122003.html UN Resolution or Not, This War Violates

France

2003-03-13 Thread Ian Murray
[beginning to waver; adopting a least worst approach because they all know if the UN is discredited, which it will be either way if it's going to sanction unjustifiable aggression or not, what interimperialist tranquility they've had since 1989 will fall further apart even further. the double

Re: France

2003-03-13 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] will fall further apart even further. == apologies for the grammar/redundancy mangling; at least I didn't pull a Justin. :-) Ian

protection rents redux

2003-03-13 Thread Ian Murray
Bush won't sign bill to release stores involved in meat recalls By Emily Gersema, Associated Press, 3/13/2003 WASHINGTON - The Bush administration will oppose any legislation that would make meat companies tell consumers which stores received meat that was recalled because of possible

Turkey

2003-03-13 Thread Ian Murray
'I feel despair' Turkey's MPs surprised the world by voting 'no' to US troops being based in the country. Now it seems their new prime minister will overturn this - with the army's help. Acclaimed Turkish novelist Orhan Pamuk fears that once again his country will become a military dictatorship

Events in Saddam Hussein's early years

2003-03-13 Thread Louis Proyect
(I know very little about the detail of his life, but just stumbled across this on worldhistory.com in the course of trying to find out when he was born. Bottom line: this is a figure who has lived on the edge and the confrontation brewing with the world's most powerful imperial power in

Bribery process falters

2003-03-13 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, Mar. 13, 2003 U.S. Raises Prospect of Abandoning Effort for U.N. Vote By JOEL BRINKLEY WASHINGTON, March 13 The Bush administration, acknowledging today that its drive to build support for a new United Nations resolution on Iraq had bogged down, said it was willing to postpone the

A new Dark Ages at Virginia Tech

2003-03-13 Thread Louis Proyect
Chronicle of Higher Education Thursday, March 13, 2003 Virginia Tech Bans Speakers With Extreme Views and Relaxes Antidiscrimination Clause By MEGAN ROONEY The governing board of Virginia Tech voted on Monday to bar advocates of extreme political views from speaking on the campus. Under the new