It has been my lot - and I'm sure no-one in Leftopia is alone in this -
to become deeply fond of fellows who ended up hating each other. Mark
loudly and eloquently despised a few blokes I persist in rating most
highly, and each of those despised him right back.
That's why the left is so
G'day Michael,
anti-war movement was never going to stop war here
but it (and public opinion globally is anti-war) forced
u.s. to alter certain plans and, consquently, may have prevented mass iraqi
slaughter, may limit u.s. ability to operate its own protectorate in post-war
period, and
k hanly wrote:
I thought Basra was a much larger city than 600,000.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
Three times larger, according to the Beeb.
Cheers,
Rob.
G'day Michael,
Rendon - apparently the inventors of the Iraqi National Congress - is
another that comes to mind..
There's plenty on that via Google.
Cheers,
Rob.
Michael Hoover wrote:
embedding - pentagon-speak for new policy of attaching journalists to particular
military units - has
Quoth Doug,
He said the U.S. might attack Iraq without the UK. Was it a blunder,
or did he really mean it?
I think it was the PNAC mob's knickers showing through. In their ideal
world, Uncle Sam would go this alone. Any sharing of the hard yards
might lead to pressure for complicated
... hadn't finished ...
Quoth Doug,
He said the U.S. might attack Iraq without the UK. Was it a blunder,
or did he really mean it?
I think it was the PNAC mob's knickers showing through. In their ideal
world, Uncle Sam would go this alone. Any sharing of the hard yards
might lead to
I dare guess you don't agree with Rosenbaum, Louis. I've not seen the
film yet, although see it I shall. But I'd not be surprised if
Rosenbaum has a point when he writes the film's 'blockbuster dimensions
... tend to overwhelm ironic subtexts and morose afterthoughts'.
Producers can do that to
G'day Ian,
It sounds very much like JK Galbraith, but as you do like to surprise
us, I'm going to guess Milton Friedman.
Cheers,
Rob.
[who wrote/said it?]
When corporate capitals become so large that they can control markets
instead of being controlled by them, it can no longer be said
In Australia, a miserabilist is never alone ...
http://www.prudentbear.com/archive_comm_article.asp?category=Guest+Commentarycontent_idx=16477
Steve Keen is the author of Debunking Economics and Professor of
Economics Finance, University of Western Sydney, Australia
Debunking Economics
G'day all,
Was it here I read the other day that when Britain was moved to a 3-day
week by the energy crisis of '74, they found that productivity did not
decrease? If so, I'd love a cite and/or anything else that comes to
mind. Potent datum, if it's true, no?
Cheers,
Rob.
G'day all,
Quoth Doug:
This is one of the weird things that happen when lefties cite
right-wing bears as sources. Right-wing bears are very often
Austrians and/or libertarians of some stripe, and believe that state
economic policy is impotent or destructive. Lefties who do this are
G'day Eugene,
People will keep making house payments while the credit card debt piles up, then
default on the mortgage at the end.
Amazing how much sheer misery a concise analytical sentence can contain, eh?
Best,
Rob.
No poophead references, Jim. They reckon you're preparing yourself to
be indignant because you doubt you will be accorded your rightful place
in history as author of 'dubya-recession'. Now that your intellectual
property is internationally recognised, the Devine name is but a
protracted dip in
Michael Perelman wrote:
I understand that there has been a terrible overbuilding of golf courses
in some parts of the country -- at least my father tells me that it has
happened in Florida. Country clubs are having difficulty in keeping a
sufficient membership. Jim Devine may have
I'm with Michael Pollack on this one. No realistic discernable
strategic goal. No reliable staging posts. No enduring alliance. No
conceivable solution to the Palestine question. No decisive good will
in the region. No hard evidence to defend pretext #1 (Baghdad links to
al Qaeda), pretext
G'day all,
If it's any easier, I've a rightly unheralded blog dawdling fitfully
along at
http://blogorrhoea.blogspot.com/
and would be honoured to put up anything penpals might like to write for
the common weal.
Er, as long as no technical knowledge other than cutting and pasting is
required
G'day Ken,
Strange the article doesnt mention that there doesnt seem to have been a
significant Al Qaeda terrorist act in the US since Sept. 11, almost a year
now. None of the periodic warnings have been followed by attacks.
I may sound a bit nutso here, but it seems to me that the
G'day all,
ABC talk-backer and Age columnist Terry Lane squeezes ol' Karl into
every column these days, bless him.
Cheers,
Rob.
Room for only one big bickie maker
By Terry Lane
THE AGE August 11 2002
The Spouse is in a frenzy. Again. This time it's
Arnott's closing the
Doug Henwood wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
Is this discussion or the elitism thread going anywhere?
Not really, but does any thread ever go anywhere?
It's the journey, dudes, not the destination.
Right now, I think liberalism'd be a lovely idea. I'm sure we'd've got
there years
G'day Doug,
* Ruy Teixeira of The Century Fund, talking about public opinion on
the corporate scandals
Ask him if it's true Cisco aren't about to sign off on their statements,
and that some of ther head-suits might be opting for more time with the
families. Dark rumours are a material force,
G'day Justin,
The left should have learned by now to flee--as ordinary working people
will--from the idea of the Vanguard Party as the expert repository of
Political Expertise. It's not a menace any more, as it once was, but it's
political suicide to advocate it.
Whilst I agree entirely and
Today's news here is about a fatal crash - on the ground at a
metropolitan airport, mind - of two light planes at 6.30 in the evening.
After a recent decision, the control tower is no longer manned from
6.00pm on account of typically low traffic after dinner.
And a dirty great tanker has just
G'day Doug,
Oh yes, blame the short-sellers, not the idiots who bought stuff on
the way up. This is almost American in its stupidity.
Were they idiots? Technoboosters (Negropontes, Gilders and Malones come
to mind), professional researchers, leading journos and auditors alike -
all boasting
G'day Jim,
Can someone name the main achievement of one author who has been
dubbed post-structuralist?
Speaking as a reader of English translations, I dare suspect only
Foucault could write such that he might be understood and enjoyed - and
even he had many a moment. That said, and although
That was beaut, Ravi!
As for Worldcom's chances - UUNET might ultimately get 'em through, but
it seems it all depends how much corporate clientele they lose in the
(very) mean time.
Many thanks,
Rob.
hi rob,
i will attempt an answer to some of your questions. yes, if uunet
ceases to
G'day all (perhaps especially Ravi),
There was a bit of indignation in parts European when KPNQwest went
under, as parts of their Ebone operation (referred to as 'internet
backbone') were duly shut down.
Why won't this happen to WorldCom's UUNet (also referred to as 'intenet
backbone' and
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/07/06/1025667073364.html
Abbott: a boon to the dark satanic mills
By Terry Lane
July 7 2002
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/07/06/1025667073364.html
Is it possible that Mr Tony Abbott MHR is a time
traveller? Could he really
G'day Penpals,
Just to lend a little flavour to the WorldCom saga, here's a little note
from Xmas 2000 - poignant and, with respect to the likely state of other
telcos', possibly significant :
G'day Doug,
In light of your note that ...
Naomi Klein says that high marketing costs essential to
G'day Nancy,
1. Supply and demand is the constraint [on the amount of value in the
world at any given time, since it isn't labor]. It doesn't matter how
much something cost, in labor, materials, etc. if there is no demand
for the item. It's just supply and demand. I've seen two recent
And another from Red Herring:
http://www.redherring.com/columns/2002/friday/lastword062802.html
Blame Newt Gingrich for WorldCom
The former speaker of the
house and his fellow Republican Revolutionaries of 1994
G'day all,
For a while, the booming 1990's restored a fixed range, raising hopes
of a lasting solution to income inequality. And now we are learning
that the solution failed to last even as long as the boom.
And so die all hopes that technology can fix social problems ... if the
problems be
G'day Penpals,
This beaut bleat from the Melbourne AGE:
Howard is sacrificing our interests
By Kenneth Davidson
June 13 2002
Is John Howard mad, or is he just looking for an
excuse during his visit to
Nice forward, Louis. I am what has become the uncoolest of creatures, a
U2 fan of 22 years' standing, but I find that Marsh's article has given
true voice to the ache this whole drawn-out business has occasioned deep
in my expansive gut. Felt a few twinges when Attanborough saved the
South
I think Steiner discovered in 1951 that when a second TV station went to
air in a market, it invariably felt obliged to emulate the schedule of
the first - sorta ensuring a shot at half the going market. He then
discovered a third station did precisely the same thing - better to
chase 33% of a
G'day Carrol,
David Hawkes is an English professor at Lehigh -- where one of his
colleagues I just discovered is the Intelligent Design biologist Behe.
(This knowledge from a post to Science for the People list, which I will
fwd shortly.) He is also on the Milton-L list, to which I am
Having said:
Er, which are the slimy bits? The bits Hinrich forwarded seem okay to
my innocent eye ...
... and having now read further down the list of Pen-Lisms, I might save
some heat by mentioning I don't see 'intelligent design' following on
from any of what Hinrich posted. I certainly
G'day Sabri,
But when you visit a website that
dropped that cookie on your computer, the website has access to
the cookie and can process that information on your computer. Why
is this not also a violation of privacy according to the US law?
I was under the (unusually optimistic) impression
G'day Ian,
Just what is a *unit* of information, anyway? A sentence, a hypothesis,
a theory-paradigm? The notion that we can apply marginalism to any of
these questions just seems silly.
This is exactly how scientists attack Dawkins' 'meme'. Is a pair of
flared trousers one meme or a
G'day Diane,
Timely article, comrad; this is going to be very big, I'm afraid. I do
note though that the otherwise worthy article appended fails to remind
us that in both Malawi and Zimbabwe (and probably others - I just don't
know about those) the IMF is at the root of it. And directly.
But of course Chris did not write the words attributed to him, as the
thread title and his preamble showed.
The failure to show respect to the opposing argument and actually deal with it,
but to dismiss the individual with disrepect, is symptomatic of this approach to
marxism.
Onya,
G'day Gene,
Bush's INTENT, if such it was, to get us into a hot war with Iraq, and the Muslim
world, has not yet been addressed publically.
Well, msnbc's Jim Miklaszewski reckons game plan to remove al-Qaida
from the face of the Earth, was afoot before 911. Indeed, al Qaidea
had been the
G'day Christian,
You wrote:
I appreciate Eagleton's felicity with language and ability to turn a
phrase. But don't you think that the point is misplaced? I mean,
Eagleton conflates historical socialism with the socialism in his head,
and then concludes that actually existing socialism somehow
G'day Christian,
Michael wrote:
Also, interest rates are a very, very weak determinant of
investment.
Are you speaking generally? If so, do you know of any good empirical
stuff that supports this?
Reckon pen-l has hit a very rich vein of late - gratitude to all.
Anyway, if memory
G'day Running Dog
And Carrol, it is Tienamen. I may be off on my spelling but,
I'm closer, I betcha! Cf. The Tienamen Papers, edited by Andrew
Nathan.
Michael Running Dog Pugliese, Woof, Woof!
It was always rendered Tianenman here at the time.
I still remember those poor young folk
G'day all,
The history of the war on social democracy , as per the latest LMD.
http://MondeDiplo.com/2002/01/11alternative
United States neo-liberalism seems to have
triumphed: the US now dominates military and
diplomatic affairs; Europe
G'day Doug,
You wrote:
hmm, so what's with this?
ASIA-PACIFIC: New data show strong growth in Australia
Financial Times; Jan 8, 2002
By REUTERS: AGENCY MATERIAL and STEPHEN WYATT
Well, good retail stats accompany bad residential debt and bankruptcy
stats pretty snugly, and good
2001 record
year for bankruptcy
THE AGE CANBERRA, Jan 8 AAP|Published: Tuesday
January 8, 5:55 PM
A record number of people declared themselves bankrupt in 2001,
figures released today showed.
More than 26,000
G'day Doug'n'Jim,
Sez Doug:
Must dissent here. The confidence numbers are a good leading
indicator of the bizcycle. They generally bottom about 3 months ahead
of the cyclical trough (and top out about 1-2 months ahead of the
peak). And the confidence numbers themselves - at least the
G'day Jim,
I've lost your answer to the below, but if I remember my original
point, the idea of Caligula naming himself Germanicus isn't that different
from Reagan being dubbed Granadicus, Bush Panamacus, or Clinton
Sudanicus. (They're a bunch of cusses, too.)
If memory serves, Caligula
South Korean school kids singing praises of bin Laden
SEOUL, Dec 26 AFP|Published: Wednesday December 26, 2:41 PM
http://www.theage.com.au/breaking/2001/12/26/FFX3IEEZNVC.html
School children in South Korea are singing the praises of Osama bin Laden to
the dismay of
Table of international business operating costs
LONDON, Dec 11 AAP|Published: Tuesday December 11, 10:33 PM
http://www.theage.com.au/breaking/2001/12/11/FFX674JKCQC.html
The Economist Intelligence Unit today released a report on business
operating costs in 31 key countries around the world,
Truss disappointed with US subsidies deals
CANBERRA, Dec 12 AAP|Published: Wednesday December 12, 7:49 AM
http://www.theage.com.au/breaking/
The United States will not cut billions of dollars in farm subsidies despite
a plea in Washington from a high-level group of Australians, including
One-third of indigenous men have been arrested: study
SYDNEY, Dec 10 AAP|Published: Monday December 10, 1:45 PM
http://www.theage.com.au/breaking/2001/12/10/FFXL41YZDQC.html
Nearly a third of Australia's indigenous men were arrested over a five-year
period, according to report released today.
So Murdoch's *Australian* and the Australian Broadcasting Corporation have on
the strength a gentle-voiced left-of-centre (and consequently lonely-voiced)
old chap called Phillip Adams. A bit of an institution is our Phil. Anyway,
so our Phil wrote in October that the US citizenry was not
G'day Greg,
Please take note that Meszaros correctly notes as does Empire, that we
are past classic imperialism as described by Lenin - this is the
criticial point. Now the question is whether US Global Hegemonic
Imperialism is a contingent and passing episode or the logical end
product of
It's typical of Ozzie media to blow up the good bits (and hasn't the US gone
down the shit chute?!) but that Oz's education is undergoing class and gender
crises is a long-held suspicion that now enjoys that all-important official
statistical verification. Despite Australia's egalitarian ethos,
Hey Doug,
What's this 'fair value' stock exchange pre-opening reports are always on
about. Never been able to make hide nor hair of it. Whatever it means lots
of big numbers are opening well below it this week, I notice.
Cheers,
Rob.
Onya, Doug! Although I hadn't realised enough NASDAQ companies were
projecting dividends to allow the calculation. And would that be Fisher
Black, the dude you chide in WS for calculating risk in terms of deviation
from an expected return, rather than factoring in a notion inferred by the
rest
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Trade rules:
It's déjà vu all over again
G'day Jim,
Maybe Taliban is (was?) polycentric, but that doesn't make it post
modern. Polycentrism is as old as the hills.
If memory serves, EP Thompson made a big deal of the Luddites being
polycentric (although he wrote it in English). Maybe 'postmodernism' is a
handy tag in the field of
G'day Paul,
What I do not have is a comprehensive critique
of so-called free trade, all the agreements etc. What I would like to
see is pen-l put together a comprehensive critique of 'free trade'
(sic) that we could use in classes, public protests, media, etc. with
all the appropriate
G'day Doug,
polycentric (although he wrote it in English)
poly = a prefix meaning many
therefore:
polycentric = having many centers
polyamory = having many lovers
polymorphous = exhibiting many types or stages
polygon = having many sides
Poly Styrene = a punk singer from the late
G'day all,
Mark writes:
JP Morgan is considered to be in the early stages of crashing.
http://www.rumormillnews.net/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=15139
I know nothing about this, but don't see why the notion is so ridiculous.
Many of the Net's finance sites have been whispering for a year about
Nasilsin sevgili Sabri?
Finally I am back home and just saw this:
Why does America, or as Chris keeps calling it, Empire, although I
am
not sure if he is aware of that America and Empire are the same
thing,
do that?
The Canada, the EU, and Japan, what are they, chopped liver?
Doug
G'day Doug,
Michael Perelman wrote:
Why does America, or as Chris keeps calling it, Empire, although I am
not sure if he is aware of that America and Empire are the same
thing, do that?
The Canada, the EU, and Japan, what are they, chopped liver?
As Oz isn't on your list of exemplary
From Morgan Stanley Co. at
http://www.morganstanley.com/GEFdata/digests/20011109-fri.html#anchor0
Global: Monetary Policy Pitfalls in an Era of Globalization
Stephen Roach (New York)
The world s major central banks are at it again -- first, Americas Federal
Reserve and then
the European
G'day all,
Ten minutes with today's US papers discloses that OPEC's cutting production by
a million barrels, rocketing insurance rates and ever more exacting loan
conditions are hitting US businesses, earnings reports are yet further down,
big business September quarter profits are down
Carrol Cox wrote:
Doug Henwood wrote:
Gar Lipow wrote:
Oh well, asshole remains unobjectionable.
Why? They're importantly functional and can even give pleasure.
Interrogate the term's unacknowledged heteronormativity!
I kinda hope my initial impression that Doug was having a dry
G'day Jim,
what's the CAD?
Sorry, I guess I imagined that's what people'd call the current account
defecit. Apropos which, this just in from Doug Noland (excerpted from
http://www.prudentbear.com/homepage.htm):
... Quinlan and Chandler make a typical Wall Street error in focusing on
Michael Perelman wrote:
Leahy did not understand that the bomb was dropped as a message to the
USSR.
Well, that was certainly a salient component, Michael. I think bloodless
technocratic 'ecologically valid field-testing' was tragically part of it,
too. But let's have a little empathy for
G'day all,
Well, John Howard's
social-conservative-yet-economically-neo-liberal-zealot-yet-spending-whatever-marginal-seats-require
outfit walked shamelessly into an election with nothing but a firm conviction
to keep Afghan and Iraqi refugees off our blessed shores - it was all they
went on
We should figure out what [the terrorists] want us to do, and not do it.
In which case they should've shut Shrubya before his minders had him blurt out
'war' and 'harbours' at the start. The US has already done what the
terrorists wanted 'em to do (continually kill some of the world's poorest
The budget surplus obsession is costing us dearly
By KENNETH DAVIDSON
Monday 22 October 2001
Why are both sides of politics obsessed with the size of the budget deficit
or surplus? Is it really the measure of economic success or failure, or is
it just another bit of jargon designed to
Bill Rosenberg wrote:
None of the New Zealand alerts have proved to have any basis.
Same here. Cops, firemen, a closed mailroom and a suddenly switched off
air-conditioning system at work today, though. None of it quite tense enough
to get anyone the afternoon off, though. Even if things
G'day Jim,
In the meantime, I can't read the newest stuff from pen-l.
No problem, Jim. PEN-L has been a fortnight ahead of the mass media on the
issue of the day, a decade ahead of the Nobel judges on economic critique,
and, in seeking to give actual substance to the 200-year-old ideals that
G'day all,
Nobel Laureate Encourages Global Justice Movement
Published on Tuesday, October 16, 2001 by the Inter Press Service
Joseph Stiglitz, whose critiques of free market fundamentalism cost
him
a senior job at the World Bank in 1999 but won him the Nobel Prize for
economics last
G'day Carl,
... Now there is a global economic recession in the offing. It has
become evident that herd behaviour caused by the risk reduction procedures
of big institutions can be disruptive and lead to irrational valuations.
Dog bites man -- read all about it!
It does seem the markets
G'day Penpals,
Just listening to mellifluous Auntie Beeb whilst going through my evening
PEN-L revelations when on comes a spot about thousands of Japanese girls
spending their first year's savings on new eyelids and pointy noses. Coulda
been interesting, of course - I've long suspected a
Ken Hanly wrote:
The Taliban controls about 95% of the country. Doesn't this show that
they have done rather well against the Alliance? Anyone who manages to
control 95% of Afghanistan is doing well given its recent history. Pakistan
will not be happy if the Northern Alliance are given
Writes Ann:
Even with the open secrets of capitalism I still would like to know
about the intentionally of our catastrophic intelligence ( knowledge )
failure
Reports disgruntled erstwhile *Times* editor Harold Evans in the *Guardian*:
September 11: how the media ignored the warnings
By
Just building on this ObL stuff while I may; isn't there something of a fetish
happening here? I mean, I go a good way with Andy's position on the bloke,
but I keep harking back to EP Thompson's explanation for why the magistrates
couldn't nip the Luddite movement in the bud. Experienced
Rarely do so many dramatic forces bunch together like this. Do any of
you have any thoughts about what to expect in the economy?
Well, we can't discount the possibility of a big Keynesian splurge under the
cover of war and rumours of war, but it does all depend on stuff like how long
it is
G'day Chris,
Yesterday a government minister, Jeff Rooker, indicated at a fringe
meeting that the government had no interest in introducting identity cards.
I in fact generally agree with the arguments of Peter Preston. In a
radically democratic and humane society our identities should
G'day all,
Well, it's clearly been decided that the decisive rump of us don't require
itemised evidence before our polities enter a war. It also seems that the UN
has been well and truly been put in its place; America has a convenient
complex of bilateral arrangements in place now, and the ever
G'day Penpals,
From Stratfor, via LBO's Bryan Atinsky, who asks apposite questions, I think.
I agree with the substance of Bryan's reservations, but feel that doesn't so
much auger well for Japan as badly for the US (and the rest of us). Short of
a fully fledged war economy, hundreds of
G'day Carl,
Tony the Terrible is a sight to behold. I think of the UK as the
Cheshire Cat of imperialism; the martial might has disappeared, and all that
remains is the sanctimonious Attitude hanging disembodied in midair.
That nails it! 'Course, I suspect it's an Anglo-Saxon thing. Oz
G'day Andy and Jim,
BTW, as far as I know, there are NO bin Laden supporters or
sympathizers on pen-l. To whom are you referring? The only way that people on pen-l
can be seen as supporting bin Laden is if one makes the Osama bin Laden-type
assumption that the world is black and white, so
G'day Jim,
the grow or die tendency of capitalism isn't always realized. GoD
leads to over-accumulation either relative to natural constraints (à la
David Ricardo or Mark Jones) or by creating its own barriers (à la Marx).
Accumulation can be blocked by excessive debt accumulation, unused
G'day all,
Well, It doesn't look like too much growing is in the offing (see short report
on Japanese consumption projections and consumer sentiment) until some capital
eats itself towards new profitability and investment possibilities (look for
major indigestion in both the domestic banking
The weekly news magazine said President George W. Bush's
administration concluded that Afghanistan, where prime terror suspect Osama bin Laden
is thought to be hiding out, has fewer good targets than Kosovo.
What was so good about the stuff they obliterated in Yugoslavia,
ferchrissakes?
A couple of months ago, I edited my general news bookmarks down by 90% (it's
easier to do than you think, and simply required in this day and age, I
suggest), and found myself, for what it's worth, left with the following
sites.
Must haves:
http://www.theage.com.au/ I agree with Eugene;
G'day Doug,
For the record, Comrade Coyle, here's what I had to say in LBO #97,
written in May. The only way I've changed my tune since then is
towards greater gloom.
Good article, Doug. 'No ordinary business cycle' nails it, for mine. Core
synchronisation, and the triumph of 'shareholder
Who is we in your response, Rob.
Presumptuous of me, I'll admit. I was talking about the ranked economists
enliste. I shouldn't be surprised if some of 'em find people suddenly taking
notice of 'em, and was idly speculating at the sort of things a newly-fledged
left-Keynesian or
Mark Jones wrote:
You still didn't let us know what *you* think we should do about
falling markets. Maybe the answer will be in your forthcoming book about the
New Economy.
Well, I'll take a pop. Let's take another look at 'infrastructure', 'natural
monopoly' and 'public good' and
Michael Perelman wrote:
I worry that the worst impacts will be those that were
unforseen. That got me to thinking about the fall of the USSR,
which I think has made the world worse in more ways that I can
imagine. I suspect that the wars in Yugoslavia would not have
happened. Nor would
G'day all,
Don't take me for a Taliban apologist, but where does Rumsfeld get off calling
the Taliban's claim they don't know wher ObL is, 'simply not credible'? He
probably doesn't know where ObL is himself (indeed, if ObL actually was the
culprit, no-one probably knew as at 9/11), and we'd
Chris Burford wrote:
Another indication that global capitalism has to be dovish, and tie
the hands of any politician looking for a quick political solution:
Another analyst points out that what would also be bad for the markets
is if it was discovered that an oil-producing state was
Writes Michael:
... And while the focus of this mainly British-sponsored effort is primarily
European, of course other similarly-minded folks (as Dubya would say)
are welcome to join ...
Mark Latham: ex-Whitlam staffer, research contributor to *The Whitlam
Government 1972-1975*, self-styled
I see things are so bad on the Dow just now that Yahoo is referring to telcos
as 'a defensive oriented group' ...
I hear they're evacuating Chicago's Sears Tower now ... that true?
Rob.
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