Re: Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread Carrol Cox
Ricardo Duchesne wrote: As one of the most boring books ever written, one which 99% of Marxist do not have the patience or even temper to read, should we not but sympathize with poor Darwin's rejection of this offer? I read *Capital* (Vol.I) several years before I became involved in

Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
It was just Vol. II which he offered to Darwin. Which other book would you say is a literary masterpiece? Ricardo Duchesne wrote: As one of the most boring books ever written, one which 99% of Marxist do not have the patience or even temper to read, should we not but sympathize

Re: Re: Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:57 AM 5/8/00 -0500, you wrote: As one of the most boring books ever written, one which 99% of Marxist do not have the patience or even temper to read, should we not but sympathize with poor Darwin's rejection of this offer? since when do we let mere boredom stand in our way?

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread Doug Henwood
Jim Devine wrote: At 09:57 AM 5/8/00 -0500, you wrote: As one of the most boring books ever written, one which 99% of Marxist do not have the patience or even temper to read, should we not but sympathize with poor Darwin's rejection of this offer? since when do we let mere boredom

Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Once again I took it for granted everyone knew it was only Vol. II which Marx offered to Darwin. On boredom, I would add it is not something which we experience during tedious work only, but when we have "nothing to do". It is also a time when we do more than we realize; in the broken bits of

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread JKSCHW
Has anyone else here read R.P. Wolff's lovely litearry appreciation of Capital, Moneybags Should be So Lucky? Also, SS Prawer has a nice book on Karl Marx and World Literature, which is an old-fashioned (i.e. pre-Theory) lit critter's approach to Cpitala nd a lot more. As someone who has

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread Brad De Long
Has anyone else here read R.P. Wolff's lovely litearry appreciation of Capital, Moneybags Should be So Lucky? Yes... If Wolff is correct in his assessment of what Marx is trying to do in chapter 1, volume 1, then all I can say is that Marx failed--that Wolff is perhaps the first and only

Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread Carrol Cox
Ricardo Duchesne wrote: It was just Vol. II which he offered to Darwin. Which other book would you say is a literary masterpiece? Here we are talking about a book which was never written (Vol. II). Had it gotten to the point where the dedication had been relevant, it would presumably have

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:22 AM 5/8/00 -0700, you wrote: Has anyone else here read R.P. Wolff's lovely litearry appreciation of Capital, Moneybags Should be So Lucky? Yes... If Wolff is correct in his assessment of what Marx is trying to do in chapter 1, volume 1, then all I can say is that Marx failed--that

Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread md7148
You are misreading the point. The point was not about Marxists' sympathy with Darwin's rejection of the offer. Of course, it was a nice behavior that Darwin did not want to popularize himself, so let's give credit to him. However, this was not simply an ethical concern or political correctness

Re: Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread Michael Perelman
Margaret Fay wrote about the letter to Darwin. It was from Aveling, not Marx. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are misreading the point. The point was not about Marxists' sympathy with Darwin's rejection of the offer. Of course, it was a nice behavior that Darwin did not want to popularize

Re: Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread md7148
I know that the letter was from Aveling.What about Gould's claim that there was a correpondence between Marx and Darwin? Is this another correpondence? or is Gould making up? Mine Margaret Fay wrote about the letter to Darwin. It was from Aveling, not Marx. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You

Re: Re: Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread Michael Perelman
I think that Gould is wrong. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that the letter was from Aveling.What about Gould's claim that there was a correpondence between Marx and Darwin? Is this another correpondence? or is Gould making up? Mine Margaret Fay wrote about the letter to Darwin. It was

Re: Re: Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread Rod Hay
It has been established long ago that Marx did not offer to dedicate Capital to Darwin. Check Louis Feuer's article in the Journal of the History of Ideas, (some time in the 1970s). Rod Hay Carrol Cox wrote: Ricardo Duchesne wrote: As one of the most boring books ever written, one which

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
I strongly think so too, but i spying on him. there is something fishy there.. Mine Michael Perelman wrote: I think that Gould is wrong. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that the letter was from Aveling.What about Gould's claim that there was a correpondence between Marx and Darwin? Is

Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-05 Thread md7148
There is some confusion below. Obviously, Darwin's ideas were quite progressive judged against his own circumstances charecterized by religious convictions in Britian at that time. However, Darwin was not a revolutionary or marxist. This is partly because Darwin could not entirely break away

Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-05 Thread Louis Proyect
While John Bellamy Foster acknowledges Darwin's concessions to social Darwinism, the main stress is on the importance of developing a materialist view of nature in defiance of the essentialist and teleological consensus of the mid 1800s. That being said, I agree strongly with Robert Young that

Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-05 Thread md7148
I definetly agree.I think we should get the best out of Darwin to see what is potential for Marxism. Developing a materialist conception of nature is necessary for understanding the "historicity" of human nature. While doing that, however, Marxists should be careful not to assimilate Marx to