Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-16 Thread Ted Winslow
ravi wrote: Devine, James wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? self-importance? determinism? is that a neurosis? Leftists doesn't point to just one way of thinking, feeling and acting does it? I suspect it's possible to find varying degrees of

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-16 Thread Louis Proyect
Ted Winslow: Leftists doesn't point to just one way of thinking, feeling and acting does it? I suspect it's possible to find varying degrees of psychopathology among those self-described as leftists. The combination of a feeling of grandiosity with perception of the self as fragmented and

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-16 Thread Devine, James
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2003-08-15 Thread Renato Pompeu
: [PEN-L] Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve I'm not either, I largely stayed away from that. The most interesting figures from my point of view were Walter Benjamin and Erich Fromm (the French Marxisant Michael Lowy made a study of Benjamin). Jurriaan

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2003-08-15 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
a few women think Lowy is wonderful. J. - Original Message - From: Renato Pompeu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 2:28 AM Subject: [PEN-L] RES: [PEN-L] Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve Felix Michel Lowy

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? Moral masochism? Self-denial, self-marginalization, and love of suffering?

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: I wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? Doug: Moral masochism? Self-denial, self-marginalization, and love of suffering? strength of character, an unwillingness to sacrifice principle to the demands of the moment? an ability to

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
] Subject: [PEN-L] Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1017505,00.html Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve Julian Borger in Washington Wednesday August 13, 2003 The Guardian A study funded

Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread ravi
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1017505,00.html Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve Julian Borger in Washington Wednesday August 13, 2003 The Guardian A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Scanlan
Devine, James wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? self-importance? determinism? is that a neurosis? --ravi When I told my psychiatrist I was having an identity crisis, he said, Just who in the hell do you think you are? Dan Scanlan

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? - we are not worthy, we are not worthy J.

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Jim wrote: Hmm... how would Lenin score? Any guy allowing himself to be photographed scratching a cat, with his legs crossed, is flexible on your F-scale. Ken. -- The awareness of the ambiguity of one's highest achievements (as well as one's deepest failures) is a definite symptom of maturity.

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Geez, Jim... This should be some kind of Lefty U. screening test. Ken. -- The advantage of a bad memory is that one enjoys several times the same good things for the first time. -- Friedrich Nietzsche Devine, James wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Eugene Coyle
Congratulations, Ravi, you passed. Gene ravi wrote: Kenneth Campbell wrote: Devine, James wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? self-importance? determinism? is that a neurosis?

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Did you notice how, in the movie Forrest Gump, when Forrest flashes the Peace Sign to Jenny as she leaves on the bus - he also makes a Peace Sign with his lowered left hand as well ? ( http://members.cox.net/gumpisms/ - according to this site, 34% of the people who voted Republican in the last

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
Geez, Jim... This should be some kind of Lefty U. screening test. Ken. The Frankfurters produced the F-test (F for fascism) that tested for the presence of the authoritarian personality. (It seems to be an intellectual precursor of the study that the GUARDIAN reports on.) So only those

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread ravi
Kenneth Campbell wrote: Devine, James wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? self-importance? determinism? is that a neurosis? --ravi Geez, Jim... This should be some kind of Lefty U. screening test. huh? --ravi

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread ravi
Devine, James wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? self-importance? determinism? is that a neurosis? --ravi

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Jim writes: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? I thought Mr. Coyle had the funniest response to that... What Should We Do? Organize to free Mumia. (He caveated his comment, as do I.) If there is a leftie syndrome, it's the decentralization of the whole body.

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Hmm... how would Lenin score? Abbie Hoffman? Lenin would say I'm not scoring, I'm having a glass of water. Abbie would say, steal this survey. Seriously though, a distinction ought to be drawn between authority and authoritarianism. For most of his life, Lenin did not have much authority other

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: Jurriaan Bendien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
according the singer-songwriter Todd Snider, 84 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine ( http://members.cox.net/gumpisms/ - according to this site, 34% of the people who voted

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
I wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? Doug: Moral masochism? Self-denial, self-marginalization, and love of suffering? strength of character, an unwillingness to sacrifice principle to the demands of the moment? an ability to understand that even

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I'm not either, I largely stayed away from that. The most interesting figures from my point of view were Walter Benjamin and Erich Fromm (the French Marxisant Michael Lowy made a study of Benjamin). The problem or limitation here is that a lot of this type of research is theoreticist and