Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-27 Thread Diane Monaco
Michael wrote: Economics is all about measuring in measurable. I was reading this week about scientific racism in Victorian England, where people tried to develop mathematical measures of how close various peoples came to being Africans. These measures showed the Irish were almost Black. Such

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-25 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Paul wrote: BUT, using the PPP technique I described in earlier posts, the World Bank also calculates an imputed (imaginary) GNI. For the same group of countries this calculation boosts their Gross National Income from $6.1 to $20.5 trillion! This is a 320% increase - but just on paper

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-25 Thread Chris Doss
Relative prices in different parts of the world would have to be considered to obtain a fair picture of relative incomes. I can buy a banana for 3 cents in my city (Pop. 15 million). How much a banana costs in New York? Ulhas They are about $1 a kilo in Moscow (not exactly

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-25 Thread sartesian
5 for a depreciated dollar on street corners in lower Manhattan. - Original Message - I can buy a banana for 3 cents in my city (Pop. 15 million). How much a banana costs in New York? Ulhas

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-25 Thread Paul
Michael and Yoshie write: Yoshie, you are not the only one that has been pestering Paul. Michael Perelman Paul, why don't you put together your notes on the PPP factor that you've posted here and publish it as an article for the general audience? -- Yoshie Many thanks, the encouragement is much

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-25 Thread Paul
Ulhas Joglekar writes: Relative prices in different parts of the world would have to be considered to obtain a fair picture of relative incomes. I can buy a banana for 3 cents in my city (Pop. 15 million). How much a banana costs in New York? Thanks for bringing this up. Hold in your mind your

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-25 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Paul wrote: The PPP numbers ARE used to show that neo-liberal policies in India would be better for India. I don't know what you mean neo-liberal, but nobody is using _PPP numbers_ in India to support neo-liberal policies. Nor anybody in India is opposing _PPP numbers_ to justify Marxists or

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-25 Thread Michael Perelman
Economics is all about measuring in measurable. I was reading this week about scientific racism in Victorian England, where people tried to develop mathematical measures of how close various peoples came to being Africans. These measures showed the Irish were almost Black. Such matters were

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-25 Thread sartesian
Speaking of scientific racism, ever read Chase's Legacy of Malthus? Best work on it, I think. - Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] HDI, GNP and the PPP factor Economics is all

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-25 Thread Paul
Ulhas writes: I don't know what you mean neo-liberal, but nobody is using _PPP numbers_ in India to support neo-liberal policies. It is buried in the statistics they (the neo-liberal proponents) use. For example, on Thursday you helpfully posted the Financial Express's article on the

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-25 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Paul wrote: It is buried in the statistics they (the neo-liberal proponents) use. I was making a simple point that the debate on economic policy in India has little to do the utility of PPP numbers. Paul was trying to show how PPP numbers overstate the economic growth in the developing

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-25 Thread Carrol Cox
Ulhas Joglekar wrote: I was making a simple point that the debate on economic policy in India has little to do the utility of PPP numbers. But apparently _our_ understanding of that growth has much to do with those PPP numbers. Your post on growth in India incorporated those numbers, and we

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-25 Thread Michael Perelman
On measuring the unmeasurable, 3.5 centuries ago, Sir William Petty, was devising ways to measure the economy. I wonder how silly we will look in the future, unless we continue to destroy the future. Routh, Guy. 1977. The Origin of Economic Ideas (New York: Vintage). 45: In comparing wealth

HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-24 Thread Paul
Louis had expressed some belief that official statistics may have biases and there has been an ongoing discussion of the Human Development Index. So, I thought I should look up the numbers for the impact of the PPP effect alone. For the 130 or so countries listed as Low and Middle Income the

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-24 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Indeed, it has been a little noticed trend that today most of the World Bank's 'public relations' type documents, most human development related documents, and most documents arguing for the success of the neo-liberal project use PPP *and only* PPP. Even where there findings would be utterly

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-24 Thread Perelman, Michael
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEN-L] HDI, GNP and the PPP factor Indeed, it has been a little noticed trend that today most of the World Bank's 'public relations' type documents, most human development related documents, and most documents arguing for the success of the neo-liberal project use PPP