Re: Participatory Economics

2003-10-28 Thread troy cochrane
Louis, For everything you say, I fail to see the true critique of participatory economics. Pining for the days of Paris Commune will not bring about revolution. Offering alternatives to the status quo will. You also criticize Albert and Hahnel for their own criticisms of Trotsky's and Lenin's

Re: Participatory Economics

2003-10-28 Thread Louis Proyect
troy cochrane wrote: Louis, For everything you say, I fail to see the true critique of participatory economics. Pining for the days of Paris Commune will not bring about revolution. Offering alternatives to the status quo will. Did I appear to be pining for the Paris Commune? Actually I am much

Re: Participatory Economics

2003-10-28 Thread andie nachgeborenen
critique of participatory economics. Pining for the days of Paris Commune will not bring about revolution. Offering alternatives to the status quo will. You also criticize Albert and Hahnel for their own criticisms of Trotsky's and Lenin's support for hierarchy, but you fail to defend

Alberts Participatory Economics and the problem of allocation

2003-10-28 Thread Matías Scaglione
: -- Michael Albert’s “Participatory Economics” and the problem of allocation Michael Albert’s whole proposal of Parecon (Participatory Economics) suffers from what I believe are serious and insurmountable defects, among which the solution to the problem of allocation appears as the decisive one. Albert

Re: Participatory Economics

2003-10-28 Thread troy cochrane
, TroyLouis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: troy cochrane wrote: Louis, For everything you say, I fail to see the true critique of participatory economics. Pining for the days of Paris Commune will not bring about revolution. Offering alternatives to the status quo will.Did I appear to be pining

Re: Participatory Economics

2003-10-28 Thread troy cochrane
e privacy ofpeople's choices -- it improperly politicizes allpreferences.jks--- troy cochrane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Louis, For everything you say, I fail to see the true critique of participatory economics. Pining for the days of Paris Commune will not bring about revolution. Offering alte

Re: Alberts Participatory Economics and the problem of allocation

2003-10-28 Thread troy cochrane
for a class. We, thestudents, had a teleconference with Albert, in whichthe problem of allocation appeared as the criticalissue of his propposal. Here are my brief comments:--Michael Albert’s “Participatory Economics” and theproblem of allocationMichael Albert’s

Re: Participatory Economics

2003-10-28 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Sure, I don't mind. Hahnel has a long criticism of a longer statement of the views posted here years ago -- which he got second hand, and didn't forward to me, just posted himself. You could probably find it somewhere. jks --- troy cochrane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andie, Thanks for your

Re: Alberts Participatory Economics and the problem of allocation

2003-10-28 Thread Matías Scaglione
propposal. Here are my brief comments: -- Michael Albert’s “Participatory Economics” and the problem of allocation Michael Albert’s whole proposal of Parecon (Participatory Economics) suffers from what I believe are serious and insurmountable defects, among which

Re: Participatory Economics

2003-10-28 Thread paul phillips
Justin wrote: The second is that, even if AH had such an alternative, their proposal does not strike me as desirable because it would involve far too much of an imposition on people's time, both in terms of involvement in planning, and in terms of micromanaging their working activity -- I

Re: Alberts Participatory Economics and the problem of allocation

2003-10-28 Thread Joseph Green
: Matías Scaglione [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[PEN-L] Alberts Participatory Economics and the problem of allocation To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wrote a little comment on Michael Albert's Parecon as a reading interrogation for a class. We, the students, had

The working class Re: Participatory Economics

2003-10-22 Thread troy cochrane
years? TroyLouis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously, I'm a supporter of this alternative, but I'd like to hear any critiques from anyone on this list. If those on the list are supporters, I'd like to hear your thoughts or concerns. If there are those who are unaware of participatory

Re: Participatory Economics

2003-10-22 Thread Joseph Green
Troy Cochrane wrote: I'm curious as to the opinion of those on this list of Participatory Economics. It seems to be a well thought out, rationally presented, and viable alternative to capitalism and state socialism. I've made a detailed assessment of parecon in two articles that have

Participatory Economics

2003-10-21 Thread troy cochrane
I'm curious as to the opinion of those on this list of Participatory Economics. It seems to be a well thought out, rationally presented, and viable alternative to capitalism and state socialism. Several small businesses have been successfully operating for years on the model -obviously a limited

Re: Participatory Economics

2003-10-21 Thread Louis Proyect
Obviously, I'm a supporter of this alternative, but I'd like to hear any critiques from anyone on this list. If those on the list are supporters, I'd like to hear your thoughts or concerns. If there are those who are unaware of participatory economics -parecon, I'd be happy to post some articles

Re: Participatory Economics

2003-10-21 Thread Michael Dawson
Troy wrote: "I'd like to hear any critiques from anyone on this list." Here's a simple one: "ParEcon" -- This sounds Stalinist/Sovietesque. For a program that seeks to transcend socialism's equation with the USSR, this a rather bad thing.

Re: Participatory Economics

2003-10-21 Thread Bill Lear
On Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 13:19:58 (-0700) Michael Dawson writes: Troy wrote: I'd like to hear any critiques from anyone on this list. Here's a simple one: ParEcon -- This sounds Stalinist/Sovietesque. For a program that seeks to transcend socialism's equation with the USSR, this a

Re: Participatory Economics

2003-10-21 Thread Joseph Green
Troy Cochrane wrote: I'm curious as to the opinion of those on this list of Participatory Economics. It seems to be a well thought out, rationally presented, and viable alternative to capitalism and state socialism. I've made a detailed assessment of parecon in two articles that have