Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-29 Thread Jim Devine
At 10:39 PM 3/28/00 -1000, you wrote: I'm convinced it'll fail because of the well laid out arguments of people like Bacon and Tabb (see March issue of Monthly Review). The strategy is short sighted and will not jive with the American populace, who don't blame China or trade with China for their

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
I agree with this text, of course. Note that the source is the same kind of source that Henry has so passionately attacked Doug for using when making criticisms of the labor regime in China. It's nice to see that it is alright to quote from the beast after all when discussing China Steve On

Re: Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
Jim Devine wrote: I'm not going to comment on any of the details of this thread (especially the unnecessary rudeness), Steve writes: Thanks for your comments. I'd like to respond to this above comment however. I've tried to not be rude toward Max, I respect his work at EPI and him even when I

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: But Henry is correct. There is an enormous propaganda offensive that is attempting to demonize the Chinese government. Damn it. All sorts of leftists are attacking the Anti-China crusade. Being against the AFL-CIO on this is no more praiseworthy than being against child

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
I agree with Henry about Harry Wu. I think his attacks on Doug are based on much less valid reasoning. Henry might not like Doug's critical comments on aspects of China's labor regime, but Henry can't even bring himself to acknowledge that Doug also is critical of the AFL-CIO's positin on

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Henry Liu is a very contentious subject here. I think that we could do well to not try to characterize him here. Louis Proyect wrote: Steve Philion: I agree with this text, of course. Note that the source is the same kind of source that Henry has so passionately attacked Doug for using when

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: I believe there are some personal matters beneath the surface that explain this. Henry was Doug's broker 2 years ago involving a Hong Kong pork belly derivatives deal that went sour. Since it was based on a butterfly spread type margin call, Doug was short the broker and

Re: Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View (fwd)

2000-03-29 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: Suppose one is in favor of "free trade." This is a venerable leftist and internationalist position, Mine Aysen Doyran writes: Respectfully, I don't think so. Not every leftist would agree on this definition. I didn't say _the_ venerable leftist and international position but _a_

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-28 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
Stephen, The Monthly Review article is right in principle. however, from a world systemic perspective, I am much more interested in why the US steel workers cooperate with the big US steel companies to keep their wages high in the core. if you remember that in anti-WTO protests, AFL-CIO head

RE: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-28 Thread Max B. Sawicky
After the current anti-China strategy fails, hopefully when the labor movement is thinking about which way to go next, it will consider views such as this more seriously. I think Doug reported recently that there is considerable tension within the AFL-CIO about the 'yellow peril' strategy, so

Re: RE: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-28 Thread Stephen E Philion
Max, Noone is calling anyone racist. But relying on Harry Wu to justify an attack on China? Tibetan nuns? What does this have to do with the issue of labor rights in China? Maybe in ads against China trade they can also include pictures of Wen Ho Lee, my sense is the strategy is 'whatever it

RE: Re: RE: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-28 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Max, Noone is calling anyone racist. Oh come on. What is 'yellow peril' supposed to connote? But relying on Harry Wu to justify an attack on China? Tibetan nuns? Why not? I got nothing against Tibetan nuns. I just hope they stay away from Al Gore. What's wrong w/Harry Wu screaming about

Re: RE: Re: RE: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-28 Thread phillp2
Zealand's and Tony Blair's conversion to WTO-ism. Ugh! Paul Paul Phillips, Economics, University of Manitoba From: "Max B. Sawicky" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[PEN-L:17471] RE: Re: RE: Left Approach to C