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2002-06-05 Thread Davies, Daniel
PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:26582] Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus Eric Nilsson wrote: Doug wrote, Net interest is figured as what biz pays to households, right? It's an expense for business and an income for households. Yes indeed that is the case. I guess such a number doesn't add

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-05 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug wrote, The concept is that households are the ultimate holder of business debts - financial institutions are just intermediaries. It depends on your theory, I guess. What you say above is reasonable from the point of view of some economists. I was just

RE: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-05 Thread Eric Nilsson
Doug wrote, I was just citing the convention of the NIPAs. Conceptually, the people who make up households have to be the producers and recipients of everything, since corps are just legal fictions, no? It is a fiction that corporations are quasi-persons. Regardless of that, corporations are

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-05 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Eric Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:21 AM Subject: [PEN-L:26600] RE: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus Doug wrote, I was just citing the convention of the NIPAs. Conceptually, the people

RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-04 Thread Max Sawicky
Part of profits are paid to households too. I don't see how you can include profits but not net interest paid. mbs Doug wrote, Net interest is figured as what biz pays to households, right? It's an expense for business and an income for households. Yes indeed that is the case. I guess

RE: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-04 Thread Eric Nilsson
Max wrote, Part of profits are paid to households too. I don't see how you can include profits but not net interest paid. I feel like Reagan, who allegedly was convinced by the last person he talked with ... I think I now would include net interest--these payments go to persons (as a

RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-04 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:26574] RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus Doug wrote, Net interest is figured as what biz pays to households, right? It's an expense for business and an income for households. Eric wrote: Yes indeed that is the case. I guess such a number doesn't add to capitalist

Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-04 Thread Doug Henwood
Eric Nilsson wrote: Doug wrote, Net interest is figured as what biz pays to households, right? It's an expense for business and an income for households. Yes indeed that is the case. I guess such a number doesn't add to capitalist surplus. No but it's a subtraction from it. The concept is

Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-04 Thread enilsson
Doug wrote, The concept is that households are the ultimate holder of business debts - financial institutions are just intermediaries. It depends on your theory, I guess. What you say above is reasonable from the point of view of some economists. But in the crude marxist theory I work