At 02:35 PM 3/26/01 -0500, Barkley Rosser wrote:
For those interested in more detailed background,
Steve held a seminar on his book over on pkt several
months ago. It was quite lively with extensive commentary
and discusssions. Much of the book is very punchy and
it is well written, but
Is Lou sure the Spoons Marxism list archives are not accessible
anymore? At least via google and then clicking the cache link
I've read some of those old screamathons. Recently read some
pro-nuke shiite from Comrade Martens, for example there on those
lists. Michael Pugliese
From: "J. Barkley
I just found something on Jerry Levy's list that may shed some light on
Keen's thinking:
Jerry Levy:
And, by the way, the revolution will come! And, I hope that the members of
this list will live long enough to see that day. Indeed, I hope to stand
shoulder-to-shoulder with many of them some day
Recognize that name, Jim Langcuster, from a list of paleo-conservatives,
I lurk on. Peopled with contributors to Chronicles and Telos
like Paul Gottfried. Editor of Telos, Paul Piccone, when he took
his paleo-con turn ran articles and interviews about the Lega
Nord in Italy. If, I read Italian,
Louis,
Well, michael probably does not want us to
get into some kind of OPE-L discussion (and
I suspect you don't really want to either, Louie),
but what you have quoted in no way implies
what you have deciphered from it, although I
think you are probably correct about what Steve's
views of
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From: "Louis Proyect" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:37 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:9596] Re: Re: Interesting new book?
I just found something on Jerry Levy's list that may shed some light on
Keen's thinking:
Jerry Levy:
And,
At 03:54 PM 3/27/01 -0500, you wrote:
although it is widely and deeply entrenched
out there that he did, Marx never labeled what he had
as a "labor theory of value." He always referred to the
"theory of value."
or the "law of value." More importantly, it's important to distinguish
between
Lou,
Well, I did not find the Scottish nat stuff on that
pretty bizarre website. But it is historically true that
the KKK appropriated certain of its more well known
symbols, such as burning crosses, from the old
traditional Scottish nationalists.
BTW, I have noticed a recent odd
Are we in for Civil War redux?
Barkley Rosser
Yes, but this time it will be to eradicate wage slavery root and branch.
Louis Proyect
Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org/
At 11:15 27/03/01 -0800, you wrote:
Steve Keen:
understanding this crisis involves an
appreciation of the role of credit money and debt, and this requires a
non-commodity theory of money which is antithetic to the commodity approach
to money derived from a labour theory of value.
What on
Steve Keen:
understanding this crisis involves an
appreciation of the role of credit money and debt, and this requires a
non-commodity theory of money which is antithetic to the commodity approach
to money derived from a labour theory of value.
Chris Buford:
What on earth is the problem about
I'd say the only problem with Marx's vision on credit money and debt is
that it's limited by his assumption that gold is the only form of
international money (where the value of gold is determined by how much
labor is needed to produce it). During the last 30 years, we've made a
tradition
At 03:20 PM 3/27/01 -0800, you wrote:
Why a gold standard? Why not, say, an oil standard? Or some other commodity
that's valued by "late" capital? Wasn't gold made the standard as a holdover
from some ancient metaphysics/superstition--it looks nice and has great
electrical properties but what's
Ian,
No, the Commerce and Complexity volume is a
different book. Steve was a coeditor of that book.
The full reference is
William A. Barnett, Carl Chiarella, Steve Keen, Robert
Marks (not Marx), Hermann Schnabel (not Julian), eds.,
_Commerce, Complexity, and Evolution: Topics in
nt: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:51 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:9544] Re: Re: Interesting new book?
Ian,
No, the Commerce and Complexity volume is a
different book. Steve was a coeditor of that book.
The full reference is
William A. Barnett, Carl Chiarella, Steve Keen, Robert
Marks (not Marx
Another interesting new book, going against the grain, for Zed
Press, no(?), is by a French journalist who works for the Evening
Telegraph or the Sunday Times. On the Rwandan genocide and U.N.
inaction. Michael Pugliese
From: Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 3/26/01
At 14:35 26/03/01 -0500, Barkley wrote:
For those interested in more detailed background,
Steve held a seminar on his book over on pkt several
months ago. It was quite lively with extensive commentary
and discusssions. Much of the book is very punchy and
it is well written, but in places
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