Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Enron's Success Story

2001-12-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Carl Remick wrote: >In that respect, I think the soft underbelly of the free-market >position would be lack of transparency that contributed to the >magnitude of the Enron collapse. But, Doug, you've seemed reluctant >in the past to identify this as a key issue -- e.g., I recall your >commen

RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Enron's Success Story

2001-12-29 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Transparency is a big problem for free-marketeers. It is clearly a constituent part of efficiency, but its pursuit in the real world affronts corporations and leads some conservatives to defend lack of transparency as a property right. Asymmetric information is of course a major topic for Stiglit

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Enron's Success Story

2001-12-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Carl Remick wrote: > > > > > >If you're going to fight an ideological opponent, you should have > >some sense of what the opponent thinks. > > > >Doug > You fight an ideological opponent by striving to change the reality which generates the ideology, which is the spontaneous reflection in hu

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Enron's Success Story

2001-12-29 Thread Carl Remick
>Max Sawicky wrote: > >>The mere fact of a company failing, >>even a large one, is not a market failure. > >I'm away on an inter-holiday retreat, and only sporadically checking >email, so someone else may have made this point already. No free >marketeer would ever regard a big failure as an indict

Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Enron's Success Story

2001-12-28 Thread Doug Henwood
Max Sawicky wrote: >The mere fact of a company failing, >even a large one, is not a market failure. I'm away on an inter-holiday retreat, and only sporadically checking email, so someone else may have made this point already. No free marketeer would ever regard a big failure as an indictment o

RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Enron's Success Story

2001-12-27 Thread Devine, James
Gene writes: > Max, I read the big push to define the Enron affair as > criminal as an effort to > suggest that there is nothing wrong with the functioning of > the market, just > some bad apples who everybody thought were good apples... Max writes: > You could read it that way, but whether or

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Enron's Success Story

2001-12-27 Thread Max Sawicky
You could read it that way, but whether or not the affair does point to an inherent problem with markets is another matter. Choice and imperfect law creation/enforcement make illegal acts possible; that doesn't mean the underlying arrangement isn't the best available.mbs Max, I read the big

Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Enron's Success Story

2001-12-27 Thread Eugene Coyle
Max, I read the big push to define the Enron affair as criminal as an effort to suggest that there is nothing wrong with the functioning of the market, just some bad apples who everybody thought were good apples. Which is not to say that pushing the criminal investigation high into the Bush ad

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Enron's Success Story

2001-12-27 Thread Max Sawicky
I would say the relevant test in this context is whether the product kept flowing to customers at prices that covered production costs. The California crisis is clearly an example of consumptis interruptis, but no role of Enron's bankruptcy in that crisis has been raised, as far as I know. So I

Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Enron's Success Story

2001-12-26 Thread Michael Perelman
Max, nicely clear statement, isn't there another issue here? Enron supposedly "proved" that market forces were superior to government regulation. It could create low prices for consumers and lush profits for investors. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico,

RE: Re: Re: RE: Enron's Success Story

2001-12-26 Thread Max Sawicky
Two different issues seem to be mixed in here. One is market failure, the other is illegal acts by Enron execs possibly linked to illegal acts by the Bushies. The mere fact of a company failing, even a large one, is not a market failure. Market failures exist because markets keep functioning in