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2003-04-05 Thread troy cochrane
That is awesome. I had a discussion with my mother, a sixth grade teacher, about students standing for the national anthem. My mother holds many progressive views, and she is of the opinion, and one should show respect for this country be standing for the anthem. I asked her once, what she would

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2003-04-05 Thread troy cochrane
Those people showed up, and they get my support, as do the half a million Brits, the hundreds of thousands of Canadians, the hundreds of thousands of Europeans, and most importantly the hundreds of thousands of Middle Easterners who reject the supposed stability ousting Hussein will bring. What

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2003-04-04 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/03 13:38 PM I refused to pledge allegiance to the flag in 4th grade. It was the 1970-71 school year and I was 9 or 10 years old. The teacher kept me and a friend I had convinced to go along after class and asked us why. Our answer: Because there isn't liberty and

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2003-04-03 Thread Forstater, Mathew
I refused to pledge allegiance to the flag in 4th grade. It was the 1970-71 school year and I was 9 or 10 years old. The teacher kept me and a friend I had convinced to go along after class and asked us why. Our answer: Because there isn't liberty and justice for all. Nobody had told us to do

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2003-04-03 Thread joanna bujes
At 08:29 PM 04/03/2003 +, you wrote: You're mired in nostalgia, Justin. I can't think of a single good thing to say about the contemporary United States. The very, very large anti-war demonstrations? Joanna

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2003-04-03 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Yoshie, see? Carl Remick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your fervor to deny that anything good could be American is disturbing.jksYou're mired in nostalgia, Justin. I can't think of a single good thing to say about the contemporary United

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2003-04-03 Thread Doug Henwood
joanna bujes wrote: At 08:29 PM 04/03/2003 +, you wrote: You're mired in nostalgia, Justin. I can't think of a single good thing to say about the contemporary United States. The very, very large anti-war demonstrations? You, me, Michael Perelman, Edward Said, Kim Gordon?

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2003-04-03 Thread Carl Remick
At 08:29 PM 04/03/2003 +, you wrote: You're mired in nostalgia, Justin. I can't think of a single good thing to say about the contemporary United States. The very, very large anti-war demonstrations? Joanna Ah, yes, the demonstrations -- with their very, very, very modest favorable impact

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2003-04-03 Thread Devine, James
PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:46 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [PEN-L:36512] Re: Re: Re: Re: the emporer Yoshie, see? Carl Remick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your fervor to deny that anything good could be American is disturbing.jksYou're mired in nostalgia, Justin

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2003-04-03 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: [PEN-L:36525] RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: the emporer hmmm... it's amazing how JKS uses anecdotal evidence (one case) to trump a statistical argument about

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2003-04-03 Thread joanna bujes
Wait, there have been hundred of thousands in SF, half a million in NYC, and many, many thousands accross the country before a shot was fired. This is not significant? I'm am ashamed and frightened of being an American right nowbut still, I have to admit that all those people did shown up.

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2003-04-03 Thread andie nachgeborenen
atistical argument about conditions on the left and pen-l in general. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message-From: andie nachgeborenen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:46 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [PEN-L:36512] Re:

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2003-04-03 Thread Devine, James
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:27 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [PEN-L:36532] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: the emporer I didn't see anything I, a U-M polisci trained number cruncher, would recognize as a statistical argument, e.g., a rigorously operationalized de

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2003-04-03 Thread andie nachgeborenen
You're right about the first part, anyway. Let's stop it. I'm tired of it. jks Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread seems to be going nowhere. In politics patriotism meanslittle less than devaluing others.-- Michael PerelmanEconomics DepartmentCalifornia State UniversityChico, CA

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2003-04-03 Thread Carl Remick
One case indeed. I assure you I make up in quality what I lack in quantity :) Carl From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] hmmm... it's amazing how JKS uses anecdotal evidence (one case) to trump a statistical argument about conditions on the left and pen-l in general. Jim Devine [EMAIL

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2003-04-03 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:36542] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: the emporer me too. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine stop the war now! -Original Message- From: Carl Remick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3