Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-08-01 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/31/2004 7:33:32 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I recall DuBois and James Jackson produced the best articles on the national question (especially as it regarded African Americans) for PA in the 1950s, all of which broke with the "Black-belt

Re: A Question for the Moderator- race, ideology and the right thing to do.

2004-08-01 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/31/2004 4:17:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember trying to speak with the boyfriend of my first wife's mother. He worked in a gas station. He was not stupid, but he was angry. He directed much of this anger at Blacks, but I think he was

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-08-01 Thread Chris Doss
--- michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was the problem that I was referring to when I was trying to describe a progression of fragmentations. I first began to think about this sort of problem when Lebanon began to fall apart. At first, it seemed to be a religious division, but then I

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-08-01 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Chris wrote: Look at the post-Soviet situation in the early 90s. The Union falls apart, and you immediately start having all these bloody ethnic conflicts around its former borders: Armenians vs. Azerbaijanis, Georgians vs. Abkhazians and Ossetians, Romanians vs. Russians, Ossetians vs. Ingush...

Re: A Question for the Moderator- race, ideology and the right thing to do.

2004-08-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Melvyn's story about his dealings with the red necks at the workplace illustrate the degree of skill required to navigate the class divide. No easy answers in this regard. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-08-01 Thread Chris Doss
On the subject of foreign fighters in Chechnya, I should have added that, if memory serves, both the Kremlin and the various rebel sources put the number of foreigners in Chechnya at any given time at about 200. So, it's not a lot (given that there are supposedly about 1,500 full-time fighters).

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-08-01 Thread Chris Doss
I wrote: On the subject of foreign fighters in Chechnya, I should have added that, if memory serves, both the Kremlin and the various rebel sources put the number of foreigners in Chechnya at any given time at about 200. So, it's not a lot (given that there are supposedly about 1,500 full-time

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Chris Doss
--- Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Kurds, Kashmiris, Chechens, etc. exercised the right to self-determination, would that necessarily result in the breakup of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, India, and Russia? Presumably, they could very well choose to remain part of the countries in

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Chris Doss
--- Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question, I thought, was whether Kurds, Kashmiris, and Chechens (as well as East Timorese, Albanians in Kosovo, etc. from recent history) have the right to self-determination. --- Yoshie, upon a little reflection, I think this is a pretty naive

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/31/2004 8:22:28 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In 1991, Grozny's population was about 50% non-Chechen. The Nautsky district in Chechnya was about 75% non-Chechen, mostly Russians, Ukrainians and Cossacks who lived there since the 15th century. Those

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread michael
This was the problem that I was referring to when I was trying to describe a progression of fragmentations. I first began to think about this sort of problem when Lebanon began to fall apart. At first, it seemed to be a religious division, but then I began to realize that there were divisions

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Waistline2
Ours is a war for position and ideological and political statements are converted into policy . . . in real time. Who determines "what" is the great war of attribution and will. If we win over no we lose by default. We cannot win over any segment of our working class on the basis of

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Michael Perelman
Melvyn posed posed one of the truly difficult challenges that the left faces: learning how to learn from the masses at the same time as we supply them with information. Listening is a very difficult skill. I remember trying to speak with the boyfriend of my first wife's mother. He worked in a

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Joel Wendland
Waistline2 wrote: In my estimate the American Marxists are the least qualified amongst world Marxists when dealing with the national factor. Between 1973 and I978 I had compiled much of the writings on the national factor in our history using a collection of roughly 30 years of Political Affairs

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 6:22 AM -0700 7/31/04, Chris Doss wrote: --- Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question, I thought, was whether Kurds, Kashmiris, and Chechens (as well as East Timorese, Albanians in Kosovo, etc. from recent history) have the right to self-determination. --- Yoshie, upon a little

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/31/2004 7:33:32 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would be interested to learn which articles in PA you considered valuable and those which you found unhelpful on the subject of the national question. As I recall DuBois and James Jackson produced

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-30 Thread Michael Perelman
I don't have any simple answers. On the one hand, fragmentation makes for inefficiencies. On the other hand, the larger the extent of the central government, a greater number of minority groups might find themselves oppressed. Even if you fragment the state, you'll probably find even smaller

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-30 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Michael Perelman wrote: I don't have any simple answers. Please unsubscribe me from your list. Ulhas Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-30 Thread ravi
Ulhas Joglekar wrote: Some posters on this list have expressed their support for the breakup of Russia, India, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. this is a bit of an unfair characterization, especially if it refers to my contributions on these threads. i should probably check the archives first,

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-30 Thread Carrol Cox
Ulhas Joglekar wrote: Michael Perelman, Some posters on this list have expressed their support for the breakup of Russia, India, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. I would like know what is your personal opinion in this matter. It is a (sort of) interesting _academic_ pursuit for leftists in

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-30 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael Perelman, Some posters on this list have expressed their support for the breakup of Russia, India, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. I would like know what is your personal opinion in this matter. Ulhas The question, I thought, was whether Kurds, Kashmiris, and Chechens (as well as East