Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-22 Thread Bill Burgess
At 11:17 AM 21/04/2002 +0800, Grant wrote: That wasn't my contention, which is more accurately that except for actual formal/military imperialism, (e.g. Britain in India) imperialist and imperialised have always been poles on a notional axis, rather than being distinct and permanent things. I

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada (EntrepĂ´ts)

2002-04-22 Thread Grant Lee
Bill R: Thanks for a very interesting post and the references, which I haven't had time to check yet. I haven't been able to pinpoint the exact quote, but somewhere in _Capital_ Marx (slightly tongue-in-cheek) quotes Adam Smith saying that all entrepĂ´ts are barbaric; Marx's point being that

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada (and US foreign investment)

2002-04-20 Thread Bill Rosenberg
Charles Brown wrote: Profits aside, two features of FDI which seem to clearly differentiate developed and developing countries (in the context of the US foreign investment thread, imperial vs neo-colonies) appear to be the balance between inward and outward investment stock (biased towards

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-20 Thread Grant Lee
Louis: For the foreseeable future, places like Argentina and Venezuela are on the front lines. In places such as these, anti-imperialist consciousness will fuel the proletarian revolution just as it did in Vietnam, Cuba, China and many other countries where victory was not achived. The

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-20 Thread Grant Lee
Bill B.: Hong Kong 65.772 Saudi Arabia22.71.3 s. Korea6.1 6.5 Taiwan 7.8 14.7 New Zealand 66.211 Israel 11.16.8 Spain

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-20 Thread Bill Rosenberg
Grant Lee wrote: HK and Singapore are entrepots, and they are city-economies, which indicates the need to qualify the significance of their numbers It seems to me that if no western state is very similar --- and I'm not convinced this is the case --- to HK and Singapore it would have

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada (and US foreign investment)

2002-04-19 Thread Bill Rosenberg
Ratios of inward and outward FDI stock to GDP, and FDI flows to gross fixed capital formation are tabulated for most countries in the various World Investment Reports of UNCTAD. They also calculate a transnationality index of FDI host countries, which averages the four shares: FDI flows (as a

Re: Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada (and US foreign investment)

2002-04-19 Thread Louis Proyect
On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:37:28 +1200, Bill Rosenberg wrote: It's difficult to say what profit figures would show. The ability of TNCs to transfer their profits from one country another for tax, political or internal reasons must make the profit attributed to their operations in any one country

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Jannuzi
LP: But I wouldn't compare what happened in Australia to what happened to Nicaragua, however. The USA could have lived with a Labor government in Australia. It was on the other hand ready to break laws and risk a constitutional crisis to topple a government that it feared would become another

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Louis Proyect
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:46:00 +0900, Charles Jannuzi wrote: US policies toward New Zealand came damn close when NZ objected to US ships not confirming whether or not they carried nukes in NZ waters and harbors. In the case of Australia, the US has taken the place of GB as key 'military ally' and

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Pugliese
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Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Charles Jannuzi
LP: Perhaps we have a different definition of imperialism. I don't regard US bullying and imperialism as the same thing. Switzerland and Sweden have never bullied anybody in recent years, but they are imperialist powers. US imperialism rules the roost, but it has junior partners including

Re: Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Pugliese
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Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Bill Burgess
Grant wrote: country inward FDI stock/GDPoutward FDI stock/GDP Canada 23.9% 26.9% Australia 28.117.1 UK 23.335.9 France 11.715.9 Singapore 85.8

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-18 Thread Charles Jannuzi
Louis Proyect writes: there are degrees. Japan isn't going to become a neo-colony in the near future, but it's clear that US-based companies use their clout to push for opening the Japanese economy to freer flow of capital, etc., so that US companies can buy Japanese assets, etc., at

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-18 Thread Grant Lee
Louis: Basically, I advocate anti-imperialist slogans in places like Argentina and Venezuela, in combination with demands against the local comprador bourgeoisie. The most powerful revolutions in this hemisphere over the past 50 years have identified with the historical colonial revolution,

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada (Comparative FDI)

2002-04-18 Thread Grant Lee
Bill Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: country inward FDI stock/GDPoutward FDI stock/GDP Canada 23.9% 26.9% Australia 28.117.1 UK 23.335.9 France 11.715.9 Singapore 85.8

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-16 Thread Louis Proyect
Grant Lee wrote: Louis, I'm sorry you feel that way. I took your reference to Lenin meant that you favoured the national front tactics of the early 1920s, which did involve bourgeois nationalists (in dependent countries). This only confuses things further. Lenin advocated support for

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-15 Thread Grant Lee
Louis: You said: But I am trying to address the question of whether Argentina is qualitatively different from Great Britain. My purpose in these posts is to answer a current within Marxism that asserts that there is no difference. In that case you were complicating matters by referring to

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-15 Thread Louis Proyect
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:29:15 +0800, Grant Lee wrote: I would ask: why would Marxists any longer seek solidarity with bourgeois nationalists, except in the now rare circumstances where the formal national question has never been resolved? In my last reply to you, I urged you not to put words in

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-15 Thread Grant Lee
Louis, I'm sorry you feel that way. I took your reference to Lenin meant that you favoured the national front tactics of the early 1920s, which did involve bourgeois nationalists (in dependent countries). Imperialism deals with class relations, not which flag is flying over a country. I

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-14 Thread Louis Proyect
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:23:17 +0800, Grant Lee wrote: Louis: If it isn't already clear, I find references to monolithic, single-minded exploitative entities called Great Britain or the United States to be untenable generalisations, which ignore the complexity of real class structures and the

Re: Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-14 Thread Ken Hanly
Left nationalism is nothing new in Canada and it certainly not a novel theory of Ross Dowson. Left nationalism was a strong current in the NDP (New Democractic Party) a social democratic party that ruled in BC, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and even Ontario for a while. It still governs Manitoba and

RE: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-13 Thread phillp2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, there is a lot of superficial truth in this account, at least as relative to Canada. But there is also a lot of overgeneralization and obfuscation in this account also. Since I have already published several hundreds of pages and articles on this subject

Re: RE: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Louis tells us that that the British behaved differently toward Argentina than Canada. Why? Was it because the settlers were ethnically different in Argentina from those in Canada? Did Britain have to behave differently toward Commonwealth countries? Paul, could you give us a brief outline of

Re: Re: RE: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-13 Thread phillp2
: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[PEN-L:24882] Re: RE: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Louis tells us that that the British behaved differently toward Argentina than Canada. Why

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-13 Thread Grant Lee
Louis: If it isn't already clear, I find references to monolithic, single-minded exploitative entities called Great Britain or the United States to be untenable generalisations, which ignore the complexity of real class structures and the historical agency of indigenous layers of capital (in

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-12 Thread Grant Lee
Correction: this was the topic I intended for my last post, which went put under The Collapse of Argentina, part one.

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-12 Thread Bill Burgess
In other words, a ruling class based in domestic finance capital emerged in Canada (and Australia), and these coutnries became imperialist economies; this did not occur in Argentina. In the case of Canada this is easier to see if Armstrong's overstress on staples relative to the development of

Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-11 Thread phillp2
Hmmm. Yea, there is a lot of superficial truth in this account, at least as relative to Canada. But there is also a lot of overgeneralization and obfuscation in this account also. Since I have already published several hundreds of pages and articles on this subject, I am not about to