At 01:53 PM 3/26/01 +0300, Michael Keaney wrote:
Penners
Last week the new Zed Books catalogue dropped through the letter box. Among
its delights was a forthcoming volume authored by Steve Keen, University of
Western Sydney, entitled "Debunking Economics: The Naked Emperor of the
Social
At 02:35 PM 3/26/01 -0500, Barkley Rosser wrote:
For those interested in more detailed background,
Steve held a seminar on his book over on pkt several
months ago. It was quite lively with extensive commentary
and discusssions. Much of the book is very punchy and
it is well written, but
, March 27, 2001 8:25 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:9595] Re: Interesting new book?
Louis, your comment re the welfare state is intriguing. Resisting
caricature, what exactly is Keen's justification for claiming
that to
move
beyond the welfare state would be disastrous?
Michael K.
I'll let Steve speak
Louis, your comment re the welfare state is intriguing. Resisting
caricature, what exactly is Keen's justification for claiming that to move
beyond the welfare state would be disastrous?
Michael K.
I'll let Steve speak for himself:
"Post Keynesian economics is thus not as eclectic as both its
I just found something on Jerry Levy's list that may shed some light on
Keen's thinking:
Jerry Levy:
And, by the way, the revolution will come! And, I hope that the members of
this list will live long enough to see that day. Indeed, I hope to stand
shoulder-to-shoulder with many of them some day
Michael Keany wrote:
is why I second Jim Devine's regular reminders re grassroots organising. As
for political vehicles, these are going to be far from perfect (e.g.
Scottish Socialist Party). But I reckon any party with either or both 1)
reliance on large corporate donors; and 2) absence of
Going only on the portion of the exchange Lou quoted, there is nothing in
what Keen said that I couldn't agree with, from what I would term a
"Postonian Marxian" position, namely that the LTV and Marx's analysis of
the commodity in capitalism form the basis of an immanent critique of
bourgeois
Recognize that name, Jim Langcuster, from a list of paleo-conservatives,
I lurk on. Peopled with contributors to Chronicles and Telos
like Paul Gottfried. Editor of Telos, Paul Piccone, when he took
his paleo-con turn ran articles and interviews about the Lega
Nord in Italy. If, I read Italian,
le
discussion during the seminar on the Post Keynesian
Thought (pkt) list, big surprise).
Barkley Rosser
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Louis, you
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I just found something on Jerry Levy's list that may shed some light on
Keen's thinking:
Jerry Levy:
And,
At 03:54 PM 3/27/01 -0500, you wrote:
although it is widely and deeply entrenched
out there that he did, Marx never labeled what he had
as a "labor theory of value." He always referred to the
"theory of value."
or the "law of value." More importantly, it's important to distinguish
between
t: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 10:27 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:9601] Re: Interesting new book?
Michael Keany wrote:
is why I second Jim Devine's regular reminders re grassroots organising.
As
for political vehicles, these are going to be far from perfect (e.g.
Scottish Socialist Party). But I reckon
Are we in for Civil War redux?
Barkley Rosser
Yes, but this time it will be to eradicate wage slavery root and branch.
Louis Proyect
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At 11:15 27/03/01 -0800, you wrote:
Steve Keen:
understanding this crisis involves an
appreciation of the role of credit money and debt, and this requires a
non-commodity theory of money which is antithetic to the commodity approach
to money derived from a labour theory of value.
What on
Steve Keen:
understanding this crisis involves an
appreciation of the role of credit money and debt, and this requires a
non-commodity theory of money which is antithetic to the commodity approach
to money derived from a labour theory of value.
Chris Buford:
What on earth is the problem about
I'd say the only problem with Marx's vision on credit money and debt is
that it's limited by his assumption that gold is the only form of
international money (where the value of gold is determined by how much
labor is needed to produce it). During the last 30 years, we've made a
tradition
At 03:20 PM 3/27/01 -0800, you wrote:
Why a gold standard? Why not, say, an oil standard? Or some other commodity
that's valued by "late" capital? Wasn't gold made the standard as a holdover
from some ancient metaphysics/superstition--it looks nice and has great
electrical properties but what's
The missing term from the title you cite is "Neo-Classical" I think...
Ann Li
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From: "Keaney Michael" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [PEN-L:9512] Interesting new book?
Penners
Last week the
Among those praising the book are erstwhile Penner Henry Liu, URPE stalwart
Don Goldstein and Hugh Stretton. Anybody know anything about this? Rob?
Michael K.
Steve Keen used to be a major presence on PEN-L and the original Spoons
Marxism list until he found his niche on Jerry Levy's OPE-L
Penners
Last week the new Zed Books catalogue dropped through the letter box.
Among
its delights was a forthcoming volume authored by Steve Keen, University
of
Western Sydney, entitled "Debunking Economics: The Naked Emperor of the
Social Sciences." The blurb explains that the book
G'day Michael,
Among those praising the book are erstwhile Penner Henry Liu, URPE
stalwart Don Goldstein and Hugh Stretton. Anybody know anything about this? Rob?
You can get plenty from Keen's 'web extensions to Debunking Economics' site at:
For those interested in more detailed background,
Steve held a seminar on his book over on pkt several
months ago. It was quite lively with extensive commentary
and discusssions. Much of the book is very punchy and
it is well written, but in places it kind of gets lost on tangencies
and
t;Ian Murray" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:18 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:9518] Re: Interesting new book?
Penners
Last week the new Zed Books catalogue dropped through the letter box.
Among
its delights was a forthcoming volume authored by Steve Keen,
nt: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:51 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:9544] Re: Re: Interesting new book?
Ian,
No, the Commerce and Complexity volume is a
different book. Steve was a coeditor of that book.
The full reference is
William A. Barnett, Carl Chiarella, Steve Keen, Robert
Marks (not Marx
Another interesting new book, going against the grain, for Zed
Press, no(?), is by a French journalist who works for the Evening
Telegraph or the Sunday Times. On the Rwandan genocide and U.N.
inaction. Michael Pugliese
From: Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: 3/26/01
At 14:35 26/03/01 -0500, Barkley wrote:
For those interested in more detailed background,
Steve held a seminar on his book over on pkt several
months ago. It was quite lively with extensive commentary
and discusssions. Much of the book is very punchy and
it is well written, but in places
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