Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Position in the World-System andNational Emissions of]

2000-06-30 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: > Well, at least Ernest was a revolutionary socialist, even if he hadn't give > ecology the full attention it deserved. We need more people like him > nowadays Actually, the question I have been trying to somehow ask (I haven't got it right yet) in this debate (both earlie

Re: Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Position in the World-System andNational Emissions of]

2000-06-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Rod: >I know the history. I know the economic cost. But what is the programme. What >are the concrete steps that you propose? Move the cows back into Central Park? You apparently didn't read the post on "Green Cuba", otherwise you wouldn't ask such flippant questions. >There are any number of st

Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Position in the World-System andNational Emissions of]

2000-06-29 Thread Rod Hay
Actually Lou. Although I have a good friend who works for Starbucks, I don't drink coffee, and have never been in a Starbucks. I know the history. I know the economic cost. But what is the programme. What are the concrete steps that you propose? Move the cows back into Central Park? There are an

Re: Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Position in the World-System andNational Emissions of] (fwd)

2000-06-29 Thread md7148
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>what are you trying to prove with your insults Doug? are you implying the >>impossibility of a socialist agenda? who is fantasizing here? >Ok, so you don't have any idea what changes are necessary in the >actual structures of production and consumption. All that's r

Re: Re: [Fwd: Position in the World-System andNational Emissions of] (fwd)

2000-06-29 Thread Brad De Long
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>I have found myself in agreement with Lou's recent post suggesting that >>the roots of ecological crisis and overpopulation pressures lie in the >>contradictions of capitalism, and that a socialist revolution is not >>only necessary but also desirable if we are to hav

Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Position in the World-System andNational Emissions of] (fwd)

2000-06-28 Thread md7148
what are you trying to prove with your insults Doug? are you implying the impossibility of a socialist agenda? who is fantasizing here? nobody is suggesting a _blue print_ for the future, as far as I can tell. Marx did not suggest either. Politics is a day to day struggle and what we can do is t