Speaking of volatility

2001-07-16 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/13/01 09:32AM Once again, I have to remark on how weird it is that a bunch of friends of the working class are getting all excited about the prospects for recession, which means the disemployment of millions and lower wages for everyone else. Does the ghost of Andrew

Re: Speaking of volatility (Jones)

2001-07-15 Thread Tom Walker
I appreciate very much what Doyle had to say about the listserv not functioning as a place for collaborative work. That gets closer to my point than what I actually said. In the past, I've made connections through Pen-l that have led to two major pieces of collaborative work and several other

Re: Speaking of volatility (Hanly)

2001-07-14 Thread Tom Walker
Ken Hanly asked: Do you have the figures? Why is this the case do u think? I guess my remark about the new Russian labor law is true though. The figures are in Labour Force Update, Hours of Work, Summer 1997 (StatsCan) and Report of the Advisory Group on Working Time and the Distribution of

Re: Speaking of volatility (Jones)

2001-07-14 Thread Tom Walker
I regret that Mark has piggy-backed blue-baiting of on top of my chiding. I share a number of Doug's cultural criticisms of the left. I don't think that makes me a Republican. My issue with Doug is that he makes his dour observations and then leaves it at that. The implication of the resulting

Re: Speaking of volatility (Jones)

2001-07-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
I regret that Mark has piggy-backed blue-baiting of on top of my chiding. I share a number of Doug's cultural criticisms of the left. I don't think that makes me a Republican. My issue with Doug is that he makes his dour observations and then leaves it at that. The implication of the

Re: Re: Speaking of volatility (Jones)

2001-07-14 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, Tom Walker writes, Tom What strikes me is that Doug, Michael, Yoshie and Mark offered no response to my _programmatic_ reply to Doug. I could be utterly wrong, in which case I would welcome the criticism. But I don't think I'm vague or obtuse. Doug wrote (in a subsequent

Re: Speaking of volatility (Jones)

2001-07-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Doyle writes: Greetings Economists, Tom Walker writes, What strikes me is that Doug, Michael, Yoshie and Mark offered no response to my _programmatic_ reply to Doug. I could be utterly wrong, in which case I would welcome the criticism. But I don't think I'm vague or obtuse. Doug wrote (in a

Re: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-14 Thread Michael Pugliese
Message - From: Ken Hanly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 11:07 PM Subject: [PEN-L:15132] Re: Re: Speaking of volatility Do you have the figures? Why is this the case do u think? I guess my remark about the new Russian labor law is true though. Cheers, Ken

Re: Re: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-14 Thread Ken Hanly
, July 14, 2001 2:26 AM Subject: [PEN-L:15145] Re: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility http://members.aol.com/ISWoR/english/ International Solidarity with Workers in Russia, neo-Trot. www.left.ru (I think, that is the URL, neo-Stalinist.) There used to be a great publication, Labour Focus

Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Doug Henwood
Once again, I have to remark on how weird it is that a bunch of friends of the working class are getting all excited about the prospects for recession, which means the disemployment of millions and lower wages for everyone else. Does the ghost of Andrew Mellon lurk over PEN-L? Doug

Political Voyeurism (was Re: Speaking of volatility)

2001-07-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Once again, I have to remark on how weird it is that a bunch of friends of the working class are getting all excited about the prospects for recession, which means the disemployment of millions and lower wages for everyone else. Does the ghost of Andrew Mellon lurk over PEN-L? Doug I think

Re: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Doug, Once again, I have to remark on how weird it is that a bunch of friends of the working class are getting all excited about the prospects for recession, which means the disemployment of millions and lower wages for everyone else. Does the ghost of Andrew Mellon lurk over PEN-L?

Re: RE: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Doug Henwood
Mark Jones wrote: Doug Henwood: Once again, I have to remark on how weird it is that a bunch of friends of the working class are getting all excited about the prospects for recession, which means the disemployment of millions and lower wages for everyone else. Does the ghost of Andrew

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Nobody is salivating over the prospect of the working class suffer, but it did not do that well during the Clinton boom. But I do relish the downfall of many highly leveraged businesses. I recall your glee at the demise of some of the dot.coms -- a pleasure,which I shared with you. Although

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Rob Schaap
Hi again Doug, Actually I think it's quite relevant to the intellectual and political marginalization of left political economy - it has no analytical vocabulary for talking about good times, If the times are usually good for most people, and sustainably so, well, I wouldn't be a lefty.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Pugliese
, July 13, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: [PEN-L:15090] Re: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility G'day Doug, Once again, I have to remark on how weird it is that a bunch of friends of the working class are getting all excited about the prospects for recession, which means the disemployment of millions and lower

Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Tom Walker
Doug Henwood wrote, Once again, I have to remark on how weird it is that a bunch of friends of the working class are getting all excited about the prospects for recession, which means the disemployment of millions and lower wages for everyone else. Does the ghost of Andrew Mellon lurk over

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: Nobody is salivating over the prospect of the working class suffer, but it did not do that well during the Clinton boom. But I do relish the downfall of many highly leveraged businesses. I recall your glee at the demise of some of the dot.coms -- a pleasure,which I

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Doug, I don't entirely disagree with you, but part of the problem w/ the Asian crisis was that it was localized -- leaving the neoliberal juggernaut relatively unaffected. It was the worst of both worlds -- a crisis with a neoliberal solution. On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:34:44PM -0400, Doug

Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael Perelman says: Doug, I don't entirely disagree with you, but part of the problem w/ the Asian crisis was that it was localized -- leaving the neoliberal juggernaut relatively unaffected. It was the worst of both worlds -- a crisis with a neoliberal solution. The 70s was a period of

Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman
The 70s were interpreted as a failure of the left, opening the way for a move to the right as a solution. The failure of this decade will be seen as the responsibility of the right. On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 01:53:01PM -0400, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Michael Perelman says: Doug, I don't

Re: RE: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Doug Henwood
Mark Jones wrote: Tom Walker wrote: There IS a cure for blasé indignation. It is called beginner's mind. In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few. Good stuff, however I fear a return right back to the womb may be necessary in the case of some

Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael Perelman says: On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 01:53:01PM -0400, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Michael Perelman says: Doug, I don't entirely disagree with you, but part of the problem w/ the Asian crisis was that it was localized -- leaving the neoliberal juggernaut relatively unaffected. It

Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Of course, you are correct. No problem with what you are saying. All too often, liberals are left to implement the final stages of austerity. On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 02:20:15PM -0400, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: If we are to exploit any crisis, what we need is a political program that goes

Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Ken Hanly
Doesnt the new labor legislation in Russia turn back the clock! In the US and Canada it would seem that temporary workers are used to keep full time workers from working overtime at a higher wage. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: Tom Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] There

Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Tom Walker
Ken Hanly wrote: In the US and Canada it would seem that temporary workers are used to keep full time workers from working overtime at a higher wage. Au contraire. Temp workers and part-timers are part of the mix with overtime. More temp and part-time = more overtime. Tom Walker Bowen

Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Pugliese
costs, in various sectors, Fortune 500 vs. medium sized firms~ $100 Million or less in sales say. Michael Pugliese - Original Message - From: Tom Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 8:55 PM Subject: [PEN-L:15129] Re: Speaking of volatility Ken Hanly

Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Ken Hanly
: Speaking of volatility Ken Hanly wrote: In the US and Canada it would seem that temporary workers are used to keep full time workers from working overtime at a higher wage. Au contraire. Temp workers and part-timers are part of the mix with overtime. More temp and part-time = more overtime

Speaking of volatility . . .

2001-07-12 Thread Tom Walker
Paging Dr. Schaap, paging Dr. Schaap . . . What's your take on the MerValous paroxysm at NASDAQ? The scent of death sure gets the vultures aflutter, eh? Tom Walker Bowen Island, BC 604 947 2213

Re: Speaking of volatility . . .

2001-07-12 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Tom, Paging Dr. Schaap, paging Dr. Schaap . . . I'm sure Doug has me down as the anesthetist ... What's your take on the MerValous paroxysm at NASDAQ? The scent of death sure gets the vultures aflutter, eh? The Lesser Speckled Argentinian Vulture is remarkable for its habit of

Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-12 Thread Tom Walker
Rob Schaap wrote, It'll wear off by lunchtime, and it'll hurt all the more then. Was that lunch Tokyo time? Tokyo stocks open mixed after Nasdaq surge Tokyo stocks falter by midday, buck U.S. surge Tom Walker Bowen Island, BC 604 947 2213