Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-06 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/05/04 8:40 PM Why can't we say that Eisner is a capitalist, whether or not he works? -- Yoshie Definitions of capitalist on the Web: a conservative advocate of capitalism www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn a person who invests capital in a business (especially a

Re: Teixeira thesis

2004-03-06 Thread Louis Proyect
Michael Perelman wrote: The ascent of the right depended upon a (hard capitalist or cultural conservative) vision of society, a long-term perspective, and lots of money. If we had our own vision and a long-term perspective, we could compensate for our lack of money. The right was able to hold

Re: Teixeira thesis

2004-03-06 Thread Michael Perelman
I agree with Lou that the Nation attacks on the left were despicable. I don't believe, however, that the appropriate response is to demonize the Nation. I think that we can be critical, but to treat them as enemies is a mistake. The Nation is not just the people who write for the magazine, but

Re: Teixeira thesis

2004-03-06 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: I agree with Lou that the Nation attacks on the left were despicable. I don't believe, however, that the appropriate response is to demonize the Nation. Under Katrina vanden Heuvel, The Nation has opposed every U.S. war. Doug

Re: Teixeira thesis

2004-03-06 Thread Michael Perelman
I canceled at the time of the Pacifica crisis. I guess I agree with what I read there much of the time, but I find the disagreements to be particularly painful. On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 03:33:49PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote: Michael Perelman wrote: I agree with Lou that the Nation attacks on

Re: Teixeira thesis

2004-03-06 Thread Devine, James
publish there. (Author X must be a real sh*t to get published there!) Jim Devine -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 3/6/2004 12:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Teixeira thesis

Re: Teixeira thesis

2004-03-06 Thread MICHAEL YATES
ew one of my books.I bitched to the editor once but got no response. Luminaries like Stanley Aronowitz have better luck. Michael Yates - Original Message - From: Devine, James To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Teixeira thesis

Re: Teixeira thesis

2004-03-06 Thread Doug Henwood
MICHAEL YATES wrote: I bitched to the editor once but got no response. The editor has no control over book reviews. Bitch to the literary editor, Adam Shatz. Doug

Re: Teixeira thesis

2004-03-06 Thread MICHAEL YATES
- From: Doug Henwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Teixeira thesis MICHAEL YATES wrote:I bitched to the editor once but got no response.The editor has no control over book reviews. Bitch to the literaryeditor, Adam

Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-06 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Why can't we say that Eisner is a capitalist, whether or not he works? We can, and I would (and do). Why do you think otherwise? Doug I asked because you said, by way of example, Even Michael Eisner is a worker, at least for a little while longer. A good number of

Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-05 Thread Louis Proyect
Marvin Gandall wrote: Teixeira first propounded the thesis with co-author John Judis in The Emerging Democratic Majority, which appeared shortly before the US mid-term elections in 2002 unfortunate timing, because these saw a sharp swing to the Republicans. But Teixeira says the election was an

Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-05 Thread Max B. Sawicky
As D.C. goes TCF is pretty liberal on tax, budget, health, and Social Security stuff. Worth reading, I would say. I don't follow Texeira or their other material, which included a big project on homeland security. Of course the center moves all the time. In DC I'm a crazy left-winger. In a

Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-05 Thread Devine, James
PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 9:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEN-L] The Teixeira thesis Max B. Sawicky wrote: In a meeting at EPI I said you could define

Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-05 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Acceptable to whom? -Original Message- Max B. Sawicky wrote: In a meeting at EPI I said you could define the working class as those who must work to finance a standard of living, and somebody said that was a marxist definition. What's the acceptable definition of the working

Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Max B. Sawicky wrote: Oh. They like to define things with numbers. So do I, but you've got to have some conceptual scheme if you're classifying workers into working class and not working-class.

Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Why classify workers into working class and not working class? You meant to say classify people into 'working class' and 'not working class'? Even Michael Eisner is a worker, at least for a little while longer. So are bond traders. Doug

Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Hoover wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/05/04 3:14 PM Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Why classify workers into working class and not working class? You meant to say classify people into 'working class' and 'not working class'? Even Michael Eisner is a worker, at least for a little while longer. So

Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-05 Thread Matías Scaglione
D. Henwood wrote: I'm not saying that worker = working class. A worker is someone who works; a member of the working class is someone with little or no property who must earn a paycheck to stay alive. Doug So a person who works and does not sell her or his labor-power in the labor market is

Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-05 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Max B. Sawicky wrote: Oh. They like to define things with numbers. So do I, but you've got to have some conceptual scheme if you're classifying workers into working class and not working-class. Damn, Quine

Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-05 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Max B. Sawicky wrote: Oh. They like to define things with numbers. So do I, but you've got to have some conceptual scheme if you're classifying workers into working class and not working-class. This finally sank through to me only a couple days ago while reading some

Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-05 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] This finally sank through to me only a couple days ago while reading some material on class. I haven't got it clear yet, but this is a start. Why do we _want_ to classify people into classes? Answer: No reason at all.

Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-05 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Why classify workers into working class and not working class? You meant to say classify people into 'working class' and 'not working class'? Even Michael Eisner is a worker, at least for a little while longer. So are bond traders. Doug Why can't we say that Eisner is a

Re: The Teixeira thesis

2004-03-05 Thread Sabri Oncu
Ian, This bloody The Classless Society book by Paul W. Kingston costs $21.95. Moreover, this is the papeback price. The hardcover price is $49.50. I am not going to buy it, of course. Too expensive for a working class CEO. By the way, I also happen to be the President as well as the only