At 07:53 PM 9/14/00 -0700, you wrote:
Since you have read Amsden, you know that the policies that she recommends
are the complete opposite of those that Peron pursued. Amsden believes in
subsidizing exports. Peron taxed them.
These are different situations, referring to different kinds of
Brad wrote:
Since you have read Amsden, you know that the policies that she
recommends are the complete opposite of those that Peron pursued. Amsden
believes in subsidizing exports. Peron taxed them.
I wrote:
These are different situations, referring to different kinds of products.
It makes
I do not think Amsden's "getting prices wrong" is not applicable to
Peronist Argentina. The South Korean state and Peron's Argentina, both
intervened in the economy, thus deliberately got prices wrong (as
opposed to getting prices right with well functioning markets).
Amsden's point is not that
I don't pretend to know much about Peron's policies. He had a basically
agricultural economy...
In 1913 Buenos Aires is 13th in the world in telephones per capita.
In 1929 Argentina is fifth in the world in automobiles per capita.
Argentinian manufacturing output per capita on the eve of
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I do not think Amsden's "getting prices wrong" is not applicable to
Peronist Argentina. The South Korean state and Peron's Argentina, both
intervened in the economy, thus deliberately got prices wrong (as
opposed to getting prices right with well
At 06:15 AM 9/15/00 -0700, you wrote:
I don't pretend to know much about Peron's policies. He had a basically
agricultural economy...
In 1913 Buenos Aires is 13th in the world in telephones per capita. In
1929 Argentina is fifth in the world in automobiles per capita.
these telephones and
I have never seen as concise description of social democracy. I like Alice
Amsden's refutation of your perspective -- especially her praise of
getting prices
wrong.
Brad De Long wrote:
in a mixed economy, the government
should be used to redistribute income and the market used to
I do not think Amsden's "getting prices wrong" is not applicable to
Peronist Argentina. The South Korean state and Peron's Argentina, both
intervened in the economy, thus deliberately got prices wrong (as
opposed to getting prices right with well functioning markets). The
main difference
I don't pretend to know much about Peron's policies. He had a basically
agricultural economy without the educational level or the distribution of income
of a Korea. I don't think that he could have accomplished what Korea did
without attacking the structure of land ownership. The US did that
As I said, a scissors crisis: in a mixed economy, the government
should be used to redistribute income and the market used to allocate
resources; to get things backward--as Peron did, using the government
to allocate resources and regulating market prices to redistribute
income--doesn't work.
You are partially correct. In a mixed economy, there is a clash between the
needs of workers and the bourgeoisie. The workers need jobs, housing,
health care, recreation and education. Their bosses have more ambitious
needs. They need chauffeured limousines, 4 houses, servants and gold-plated
Historical experience strongly suggests that the collectivization of
agriculture is disastrous for agricultural productivity and
agricultural exports.
Brad DeLong
Only if you pretend that Cuba does not exist.
Louis Proyect
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I have never seen as concise description of social democracy. I like Alice
Amsden's refutation of your perspective -- especially her praise of getting prices
wrong.
Brad De Long wrote:
in a mixed economy, the government
should be used to redistribute income and the market used to allocate
Louis wrote:
If a state agency cuts into their profits, they might find it
preferable to let land lie fallow. Somebody like Fidel Castro would have
organized the agricultural work force to evict the bosses and declare the
ranches and farms public property. Then, the wheat, cattle, etc. would
Where can I find Alice Amsden's praise of getting prices wrong?
At a shoot out before the Calif. PUC in San Diego a couple of weeks ago, the
neo-classical panelists just wanted to get prices right, and let the sociologists
take care of the rest. Professor Wolak from Stanford believes that
Eugene Coyle wrote:
Where can I find Alice Amsden's praise of getting prices wrong?
It's a major theme of her book on Korea, Asia's Next Giant.
Doug
0 10:17 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:1808] Re: Re: Re: Re: The legacy of Juan Perón
Historical experience strongly suggests that the collectivization of
agriculture is disastrous for agricultural productivity and
agricultural exports.
Brad DeLong
Only if you pretend that Cuba does not exist.
Lou
Louis wrote that Peron paid off Argentina's foreign debt
Goodness! if a country isn't in debt to the US and other hard-currency
bankers, what leverage does the poor old IMF have?
Speaking of leverage, here's a quote from Krugman, in which he's describing
someone else's viewpoint:
"In
The government of Juan Perón was one of the most progressive in Latin
American history in the 20th century. Here is a list of its accomplishments:
1. Taking advantage of government leniency if not outright support, trade
unions were formed in every industry.
2. Social security was made
The government of Juan Perón was one of the most progressive in Latin
American history in the 20th century. Here is a list of its accomplishments:
1. Taking advantage of government leniency if not outright support, trade
unions were formed in every industry.
2. Social security was made
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