Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-24 Thread Robin Hahnel
Max B. Sawicky wrote: Replies to Perelman, Schneiderman, Hahnel, Meyer, Proyect Farmer Perelman said: Emissions trading is a crock. If you want to give polluction credits, why not give everybody an equal credit instead of rewarding people for historical patterns of pollution?

Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-24 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Replies to Perelman, Schneiderman, Hahnel, Meyer, Proyect Farmer Perelman said: Emissions trading is a crock. If you want to give polluction credits, why not give everybody an equal credit instead of rewarding people for historical patterns of pollution? This is not AT ALL the way permits

Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-24 Thread Louis Proyect
Does the coal miner jobs problem suggest an approach that the Swede's developed in their macroeconomic policies? This approach is their combination of labor market and solidaristic wage policies that keep employment and inflation low by moving workers out of unproductive firms? The crucial

Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-24 Thread Thomas Kruse
One healthy antidote (among many) to the political problems involved in "red vs. green" is the work of Jorge Hardoy (Argentine planner, now deceased) and Co. in the journal Environment and Urbanization. Looking principally at the 3rd World, they focus their environmental concerns on living

Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-24 Thread Max B. Sawicky
There is one serious political problem with pollution taxes -- one I believe is solvable. Much of the right wing of the environmental movement hopes to sell green taxes by substituting them for all MBS: Actually the latest rage is to substitute them for payroll taxes, which is

Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-24 Thread PJM0930
Does the coal miner jobs problem suggest an approach that the Swede's developed in their macroeconomic policies? This approach is their combination of labor market and solidaristic wage policies that keep employment and inflation low by moving workers out of unproductive firms? The crucial

Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-23 Thread Max B. Sawicky
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: boucher, epi and coal Max's defense of Boucher was not surprising. EPI has raised serious questions about the Clinton approach to global warming, from the perspective of the coal miners. Let's try to be a little more precise

Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Max B. Sawicky wrote: From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: boucher, epi and coal Max's defense of Boucher was not surprising. I did not mean this as a criticism of you. EPI has raised serious questions about the Clinton approach to global warming, from

Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-23 Thread Max B. Sawicky
If government gives away emissions permits, then clearly corporations do not benefit as a group, since one firm's sale is another's purchase. If the government sells them, corporations are net losers in the aggregate. This does not mean of course, that the trading scheme would

Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-23 Thread michael
Max brings up an interesting challenge. I disagree with him, but I do not have enough factual evidence to clinch my case. I am sure that the poor are hurt more by pollution than they are helped by the decrease in costs. Any suggestions? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California

Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-23 Thread Louis Proyect
These are the issues that Tom Athanasiou covers in "Divided Planet." Also, check out Mark Dowie's "Losing Ground", a stinging critique of the pro-corporate drift of mainstream groups. Finally, everybody who has even the slightest interest in these questions should subscribe to Counterpunch,

Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-23 Thread michael
Emissions trading is a crock. If you want to give polluction credits, why not give everybody an equal credit instead of rewarding people for historical patterns of pollution? In the case of Southern California, companies buy old junked cars, under the assumption that the hulk would run and spew

Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-23 Thread James Devine
At 05:54 p.m. 2/23/98 -0800, you wrote: Emissions trading is a crock. If you want to give polluction credits, why not give everybody an equal credit instead of rewarding people for historical patterns of pollution? In the case of Southern California, companies buy old junked cars, under the

Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-23 Thread Robin Hahnel
Max B. Sawicky wrote: If government gives away emissions permits, then clearly corporations do not benefit as a group, since one firm's sale is another's purchase. If the government sells them, corporations are net losers in the aggregate. For every tradable pollution permit

Re: boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-23 Thread R. Anders Schneiderman
At 03:46 PM 2/23/98 +, Max wrote: Environmentalism in the large is about raising the costs of consumption that is most susceptible to taxation under current circumstances. Maybe DC is populated mostly with bone-headed liberal environmentalists whose version of "environmentalism" would fit

boucher, epi and coal

1998-02-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Max's defense of Boucher was not surprising. EPI has raised serious questions about the Clinton approach to global warming, from the perspective of the coal miners. Here is a real and serious environmental problem. The corporations will make out with their emissions trading and the workers