Re: Herman Melville on the difference between capitalism and primitive communism

2004-07-09 Thread Carl Remick
From: Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What a striking evidence does this operation furnish of the wide difference between the extreme of savage and civilized life. A gentleman of Typee can bring up a numerous family of children and give them all a highly respectable cannibal education, with infi

Herman Melville on the difference between capitalism and primitive communism

2004-07-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Concluding paragraphs of chapter 14 of Typee: A straight, dry, and partly decayed stick of the Hibiscus, about six feet in length, and half as many inches in diameter, with a small, bit of wood not more than a foot long, and scarcely an inch wide, is as invariably to be met with in every house in T

Re: primitive communism

1998-02-11 Thread James Michael Craven
> Date sent: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:12:25 EST > Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: primitive communism > In a message dated 98-02-09 14:48:09 EST, you write: > > << s

Re: primitive communism

1998-02-10 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 98-02-09 18:21:04 EST, Michael Perelman writes: << One of the constant irritants of the North American colonialists was the number of times that captives did not want to leave their native American captors, especially the women. >> true, not only did the women not want to

Re: primitive communism

1998-02-10 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 98-02-09 14:48:09 EST, you write: << s this really going to happen? I find it nearly impossible to believe that a capitalist government would ever sign over significant amounts of land to aboriginals, no matter how solid their claim. Am I being too cynical? Doug >> Acco

Re: primitive communism

1998-02-09 Thread Thomas Kruse
At 14:39 9/02/98 -0500, you wrote: >Louis Proyect wrote: > >>What about giving land back to >>the Indians as they are doing in Canada? > > >Is this really going to happen? I find it nearly impossible to believe that >a capitalist government would ever sign over significant amounts of land to >abor

FW: primitive communism

1998-02-09 Thread Max B. Sawicky
From: Doug Henwood [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 09, 1998 3:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: primitive communism Louis Proyect wrote: >The first step is making the legal case. . . . Yeah, that's me. PEN-Ler Jim Craven will be on, 5 PM on

Re: primitive communism

1998-02-09 Thread Louis Proyect
>Yeah, that's me. PEN-Ler Jim Craven will be on, 5 PM on Thursday. > >There's a big difference between ending Jim Crow and redoing property >relations. Property relations are the bedrock of the capitalist form. > >Doug Nobody has any illusions that capitalism will be abolished in British Columbia

Re: primitive communism

1998-02-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: >The first step is making the legal case. The next step is direct action to >enforce the legal decision. This is what happened in the US after Brown >versus Board of Education ruled against segregation. If people hadn't >sat-in, marched and boycotted, Jim Crow would still be

Re: primitive communism

1998-02-09 Thread Michael Perelman
One of the constant irritants of the North American colonialists was the number of times that captives did not want to leave their native American captors, especially the women. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 916-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL P

Re: primitive communism

1998-02-09 Thread Louis Proyect
>Is this really going to happen? I find it nearly impossible to believe that >a capitalist government would ever sign over significant amounts of land to >aboriginals, no matter how solid their claim. Am I being too cynical? > >Doug The first step is making the legal case. The next step is direct

Re: primitive communism

1998-02-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: >What about giving land back to >the Indians as they are doing in Canada? Is this really going to happen? I find it nearly impossible to believe that a capitalist government would ever sign over significant amounts of land to aboriginals, no matter how solid their claim. Am

Re: primitive communism

1998-02-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Jim Devine: >However, didn't Marx talk about the limits of primitive communism, too? I >wasn't expecting Louis to do so in a movie review, but the issue seems >relevant. Is there some way to combine the benefits of advanced technology >(indoor plumbing, etc.) with t

Re: primitive communism

1998-02-09 Thread Bill Burgess
On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Doug Henwood wrote, about Louis saying "What about giving land back to the Indians as they are doing in Canada?": > > Is this really going to happen? I find it nearly impossible to believe that > a capitalist government would ever sign over significant amounts of land to > ab

Re: primitive communism

1998-02-09 Thread James Michael Craven
> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:16:42 -0500 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: primitive communism > In-Reply-To: > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > M

primitive communism

1998-02-09 Thread James Devine
; This feels right to me (given my inadequate knowledge of anthropology, of course). I think that there's a lot of truth to Marx's notions of "primitive communism" (as opposed to our current, class-dominated, society). Groups of people united by family and kinship ties and by the goa