Michael Perelman wrote:
Of course not. The problem is that the U.S. policy is purely opportunistic.
Why do we embargo Cuba and appeal to constructive engagement in racist South
Africa?
Why the assumption that U.S. crimes come from opportunism or
bad strategy or stupidity? I know you don't
Nathan Newman:
Would the fear be that violent intervention, as opposed to support of a
nonviolent transition, would pave the way for the deradicalization of the
ANC? Would the fear be that the economic losses of war would lead to a new
US-allied ANC government subordinating its economic policy
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BLS DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, APRIL 5, 1999
__Despite the anemic nonfarm payroll job growth of 46,000 in March, most
The scene has changed fundamentally. The six weeks' march to Paris has
grown into a world drama. Mass slaughter has become the tiresome and
monotonous business of the day and the end is no closer. Bourgeois
statecraft is held fast in its own vise. The spirits summoned up can no
longer be
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Michael Perelman wrote:
Of course not. The problem is that the U.S. policy is purely
opportunistic.
Why do we
Nathan writes:
What is the criterion here for when state violence is potentially
progressive and when, as Yoshie argues, there is no "we" attached to an
inherently anti-worker state? Is anarchism the only moral position until
after the cataclysm of world revolution?
[another post]
Would the
WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : The Balkan Crisis
The United States and the war in the
Balkans: On the road to catastrophe
By the Editorial Board
6 April 1999
It has taken but two weeks for the bombing campaign
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I must say I never expected Milosevic to go so far in defiance to the
western powers...I think he did the logical
thing from his standpoint. The blunder was made by NATO and he simply
J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote:
Redmond's
theory that the US is subordinate to the EU is ridiculous, but the
counter theory is also ridiculous. The French have never hesitated
to oppose the US on something they did not like.
Opposing the U.S. is one thing, organizing a war is another. The U.S.
Barkley writes: That all the bridges at Novi Sad are down seems to me to
put the final kibbosh on this half-baked theory.
I don't like the "blue Danube" theory (though I've never seen it in print,
since I don't do lbo-talk anymore), but the fact that bridges are down is
strategically and, in
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The Oakland/Berkeley Committees of Correspondence on April 3,
The coverage on Kosovo in the mainstream press had a completely different
character before Serbia was turned into an enemy of the US and the rest of
the "civilized world". What I discovered from a thorough Lexis search on
"Kosovo" from 1981 until 1988, just prior to the suspension of autonomy,
Louis,
Only one goof in this, your claim that the revocation
of Kosovan autonomy reflected a shortage of resources
due to the Slovenian and Croatian secessions. Sorry,
but autonomy was revoked in 1989 well before those
secessions. Indeed, many see that revocaton as a major
motive for the
Sort of like what was the imperialist interest in Grenada ? And yet it was invaded.
Charles Brown
Brad De Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/06/99 09:28AM
If the U.S. were really concerned about mass
slaughter, it would have done something about the mass slaughter in Rwanda
and the Sudan. It didn't
I am sadly reminded over and over again as I read the posts on pen-
l that, as Santayana pointed out, those who do not know their
history are bound to repeat it.
Some historical facts. Today is the anniversary of opening up of
German bombing of Belgrade. This followed the demand by
Germany
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The Vancouver Sun
Is it a coincidence that the first 5 letters of "Ramboulliette" spell "Rambo"?
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Regarding "what Milosevic and the Serbs have done in Kosovo" I heard a
reporter on the McNeil New Hour (4-1) report that the Albanian Kosovars
say they welcome the US/NATO bombs.
In my
Nathan,
Concerning what you below: nobody has defended what Serbian army is doing.
Couldn't we just leave it at this: you approve of the bombing and virtually all
the rest of us oppose it.
It is a mark of your intelligence that you can defend Clinton as well if you do,
but I don't think that
Jiang and Mubarak demand UN reform
BEIJING: China and Egypt have called for a reform of the UN Security
Council in a joint communique, amid concern that its role has been
usurped by the Nato air strikes against Yugoslavia.
The communique, released overnight by Xinhua News Agency, was signed by
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Jay Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Hannes
I just read that the United States seems to have won the banana war.
Why do the European countries continue to follow the U.S. lead, when the
U.S. continues to throw its weight around in virtually every realm?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tom's brief note was fascinating. Given the sort of deflationary pressures
that have built up in places, such as Russia and Brazil, I have seen a minimum
of references to spillovers. I have wondered how these crises have been
contained within national borders. Use the Bolivia experience
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Max Sawicky) wrote on Mon, 5 Apr 1999
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At this point, as you say, the expulsion appears to have irreversible momentum, if it
hasn't been completed altogether. Meanwhile, from the news reports, NATO bombing of
purely civilian facilities appears to be
expanding, while
How about a time-out to check the attitude of someone with more
social influence than all of us combined? If anybody here doesn't
know who this guy is, all I can say is you're not paying enough
attention to the society you wish to liberate. This statement is
from his Website at www.artbell.com
'We're not inflicting pain on these fuckers,' Clinton said, softly at
first. 'When people kill us, they should be killed in greater numbers.'
Then, with his face reddening, his voice rising, and his fist pounding his
thigh, he leaned into Tony [Lake, then his national security adviser], as
if it
I have heard that the Federal Reserve has produced new data that suggest
that US productivity growth has recovered in recent years. Does anyone know
where to find these data?
Thanks ahead of time,
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Canadian Press
Doug,
If responding to this puts me overquota on lbo, sorry.
There is a serious issue here. I haven't read Gowan,
but I suspect that I know more about this than he does
anyway. This is my turf, so to speak, and I have
inside info.
I think the bottom line for the US elites was not the
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And yeah, Serbian
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And yeah, Serbian military murdering unarmed people are so much braver than
NATO military.
-Why do you have to turn every critique of US/NATO into an endorsement of
-Milo/Serbia? That's a
J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote:
As for the related "squeezing Russia" argument, I think that
both Doug and Jim D. are a bit off. The fact is that the US has
either given outright or approved the giving or lending of large
sums to Russia, up to $90 billion is the last figure I have seen,
which is
Doug to Barkley Rosser:
Squeezing Russia is clearly counterproductive and outright stupid.
But that's exactly what's been going on economically for 10 years. What's
the logic of NATO expansion if it's not to prepare in advance for a Russian
resurgence?
The NATO expansion is not for the sake of
This will also include a response to Jim D., but
I'll focus on Doug's arguments.
Redmond (and even Nowell) is partly right in that
there is a lot of enthusiasm for this campaign in many
Western European circles in the leading EU/NATO nations.
The hegemony argument is the most logical
Doug to Nathan:
And yeah, Serbian military murdering unarmed people are so much braver than
NATO military.
Why do you have to turn every critique of US/NATO into an endorsement of
Milo/Serbia? That's a propagandist's trick.
I think that this is how hegemony works: those who are _not even paid_
Nathan Newman wrote:
And yeah, Serbian military murdering unarmed people are so much braver than
NATO military.
Why do you have to turn every critique of US/NATO into an endorsement of
Milo/Serbia? That's a propagandist's trick.
Doug
Doug Henwood wrote:
Brad De Long wrote:
Just what is the impressive imperial interest in Kosovo supposed to be?
As somebody-or-other once said, what is there in the Balkans that is worth
the bones of a single Pomeranian grenadier?
Continued subordination of the EU to the US, the
The remains of the KLA seem to be cornered in the mountains bordering
Albania in a state of total rout. NATO has already lost this war. It has
flaunted all of sir Michael Howard three rules for intervening in a
civil war:
1. Do not;
2. If you do, pick a side;
3. Pick the side that will win and
Some responses to various folks:
1) Max--
Yeah, sure, I would like to have seen us protect
the ethnic Albanians "in their homes." I don't see the
current policy or even any proposed use of ground
troops as remotely doing that. As for relocating
refugees "facilitating
At 12:18 AM 4/6/99 -0400, Nathan wrote:
South Africa is an interesting example. Under grassroots pressure, the US
government was forced to switch from constructive engagement to sanctions
against South Africa. And that economic pressure contributed to the South
African National Party government
a break from Kosovo:
Top 10 reasons e-mail is like a penis:
10. Those who have it would be devastated if it was ever cut off.
9. Those who have it think that those who don't are somehow inferior.
8. Those who don't have it may agree that it's neat, but think it's not
worth the fuss that
Brad De Long wrote:
Just what is the impressive imperial interest in Kosovo supposed to be?
As somebody-or-other once said, what is there in the Balkans that is worth
the bones of a single Pomeranian grenadier?
Continued subordination of the EU to the US, the incorporation of the
recalcitrant
If the U.S. were really concerned about mass
slaughter, it would have done something about the mass slaughter in Rwanda
and the Sudan. It didn't - in part because the dead are African, and in
part because there's no pressing imperial interest there.
Doug
Just what is the impressive imperial
Growing numbers in Europe believe enemy is America
By David Filipov, Globe Staff, and Toula Vlahou,
Globe Correspondent, 04/04/99
MOSCOW - A new menace is stalking Europe, threatening to plunge
the entire continent into a devastating war. Its leaders
Michael Perelman wrote:
Until very recently, we have been free from anyone supporting Clinton. What
possible reason could anybody have for supporting the bombing?
It must be admitted that this war is being led by what passes for liberals
and social democrats these days. Its rhetoric shows it,
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So, Michael, are you arguing that all pressure by the US and Western
Europe
to stop the murder of Kosovans should be opposed, since their motives and
goals are inherently anti-worker
Michael Hoover wrote:
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Fifty-five executives with ties to the
high-tech world urged Texas Gov. George W. Bush to run for president
Monday,
saying they liked his views on education, litigation and regulation.
``We need visionary leaders who understand the New
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Fifty-five executives with ties to the
high-tech world urged Texas Gov. George W. Bush to run for president
Monday,
saying they liked his views on education, litigation and regulation.
``We need visionary leaders who understand the New Economy,'' the
executives
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