RE: Re: Re: Help Stop Ohio's Anti-Choice Resolution

2002-02-25 Thread michael pugliese
Anyone remember the Reproductive Rights National Network or R2N2 as us vets from NAM called it then in the 80's? http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Reproductive+Rights+National+Network%22btnG=Google+Searchhl=enie=utf-8oe=utf-8 Michael Pugliese --- Original Message --- From: Diane Monaco

Re: Re: on the necessity of god, goddess, gods, goddesses, or a combinati on of the above

2002-02-25 Thread Robert Scott Gassler
I too am a Unitarian Universalist, and my answer is that we believe in God, but we refuse to speculate in detail on what She's like. This invariably draws an interesting reaction whenever I say it. Scott Gassler At 23:45 22/02/02, you wrote: From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was raised

Re: Re: Question about dutch disease

2002-02-25 Thread Bill Lear
On Sunday, February 24, 2002 at 20:40:53 (-0800) Eugene Coyle writes: Why wouldn't the cheaper natural resource, as an input to the productive process, lower the cost of manufactured goods and make them MORE competitive with other nations? Exactly my question. As I understand it, the US has

Re: Pen-l 23184 ...necessity of god, goddess,...

2002-02-25 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, For a Marxist, the first issue is the materialism of Marx. Where Scott Gassler writes, Scott, I too am a Unitarian Universalist, and my answer is that we believe in God, but we refuse to speculate in detail on what She's like. This invariably draws an interesting

RE: Re: Re: Question about dutch disease

2002-02-25 Thread Davies, Daniel
Dutch disease was an absolutely massively fashionable topic when I was at university, mainly because Nickell and Muellbauer had declared it to be interesting. The idea is that, if you've struck natural gas or some such, then you're very likely to be running a massive current account surplus for

RE: Re: Re: Question about dutch disease

2002-02-25 Thread Devine, James
On Sunday, February 24, 2002 at 20:40:53 (-0800) Eugene Coyle writes: Why wouldn't the cheaper natural resource, as an input to the productive process, lower the cost of manufactured goods and make them MORE competitive with other nations? Bill Lear writes: Exactly my question. As I understand

Re: RE: Re: Re: Question about dutch disease

2002-02-25 Thread Michael Perelman
They found nat. gas in the North Sea. On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 06:38:59AM -0800, Devine, James wrote: (BTW, I've never heard of Holland finding oil. Am I simply an ignorant schmuck (don't all say yes until you hear the alternative), or is it some other natuaral resource?) Jim Devine --

Re: Re: Pen-l 23184 ...necessity of god, goddess,...

2002-02-25 Thread Robert Scott Gassler
What did I tell you? Scott Gassler At 05:39 25/02/02 -0800, you wrote: Greetings Economists, For a Marxist, the first issue is the materialism of Marx. Where Scott Gassler writes, Scott, I too am a Unitarian Universalist, and my answer is that we believe in God, but we refuse to

RE: Origins of 'Dutch Disease'

2002-02-25 Thread Devine, James
Rob Schaap forwards the following web-page on the dutch disease. And, I was right, it wasn't oil but natural gas. http://www.aims.ca/Publications/gift/remittance.html here's the text, without graphs: Looking the Gift Horse in the Mouth: The Impact of Federal Transfers on Atlantic Canada by

on the necessity of god, goddess, gods, goddesses, or a combinati on of the above

2002-02-25 Thread bantam
Robert Scott Gassler wrote: I too am a Unitarian Universalist, and my answer is that we believe in God, but we refuse to speculate in detail on what She's like. This invariably draws an interesting reaction whenever I say it. Like if She's a sexually reproduced being (else, whence Her

Re: Re: Re: Re: Question about dutch disease

2002-02-25 Thread Michael Perelman
Who is they? You know the famous American question: what is our oil doing under their sand. On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 11:17:01PM -0800, ALI KADRI wrote: One person said if oil is so bad why don't they leave it in the ground -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University

Re: Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Doug Henwood
Tom Walker wrote: This kind of hijacking selected words out of context and insinuating that they mean something else is pointless. I would say juvenile, but would be insulting to children. The context was the role of advertising in the media and culture. The point is about advertisers promising

From the heartland

2002-02-25 Thread Max Sawicky
http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthtribune/news/opinion/2741000.htm

Re: Re: Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Michael Perelman
One can attack consumerism without calling for the donning of hairshirts. The consumption described by Mandel -- who was following Marx closely in this regard -- was not consumerism, but using material means to elevate oneself. Virtually nothing that you can see advertised on television would

RE: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Forstater, Mathew
I am way behind in e-mail messages, but would recommend Smythe's book, called Dependency Road: Communications, Capitalism, Consciousness, and Canada to everyone. Smythe had been a visiting prof at Temple the two years before I started there, and it seemed like everyone was reading him when I

a lesson from Japan?

2002-02-25 Thread Devine, James
MARCH 4, 2002/BUSINESSWEEK ECONOMIC TRENDS [by Michael J. Mandel] A Lesson from Japan... Post-boom blues can be delayed With consumer spending strong and productivity soaring, the U.S. seems to have escaped the worst effects of the popping of the stock market bubble. But history

RE: Re: Re: Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Devine, James
The consumption described by Mandel -- who was following Marx closely in this regard -- was not consumerism, but using material means to elevate oneself. Virtually nothing that you can see advertised on television would meet that standard. not even Prozac or Viagra? Jim Devine [EMAIL

Re: Question about dutch disease

2002-02-25 Thread Anthony D'Costa
the concept of dutch disease is routine in development economics. while the Dutch case is spepcific, the idea that sudden expansion of exports and for that matter mono-exports can have an immiserization effect on the local economy is plausible. More export revenue will lead to relative rise in

RE: Re: on the necessity of god, goddess, gods, goddesses,or a combinati on of the above

2002-02-25 Thread Devine, James
I wrote: As far as I can tell, there's no logical argument either for or against the existence of god. Carrol: The presumption is always that X doesn't exist; hence the absence of convincing arguments against the existence of X is in no way evidence that X exists. that's why my working

Re: Re: Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Eugene Coyle
Doug, From reading your position on consumption over some time, and Mandel below, I believe Mandel is not with you, nor you with him. Mandel opens with >6. The genuine extension of the needs (living standards) of the >wage-earner, which represents a raising of his level of culture and

Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Tom Walker
Not being a mind reader, I haven't the slightest idea what Doug's a lot of this critique refers to. Sut Jhally? The Media Education Foundation? Dallas Smythe? The critique of consumerism in general? (and here we could branch off into other specifics, Marcuse's repressive sublimation? the

Re: Re: Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: a lot of this critique is a rather undigested rehash of a lot of Puritan hair-shirt crap. A lot of X is Y. This is the sort of thing that gets an English 101 theme marked down for pure sloppiness. Carrol

RE: RE: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread michael pugliese
Re: Tran Vanh Dinh. Listed here in Edwin Moise biblio. Moise is a big source in Gabriel Kolko book from mid 90's on Vietnam War, specifically on North Vietnamese land reform that has been for decades subject to alot of debate esp. from Trotskyists and others I'm familiar with. Michael

God

2002-02-25 Thread Charles Brown
Actually, neoclassical general equilibrium economists have proved that God exists. The tatonnement auctioneer! All knowing, capable of millions of decisions instantaniously, does not need to be paid to exist, and able to determine the future in perpetuity. Sounds like God to me. Paul

Re: RE: Re: on the necessity of god, goddess, gods, god desses,or a combinati on of the above

2002-02-25 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:34:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wrote: As far as I can tell, there's no logical argument either for or against the existence of god. Carrol: The presumption is always that X doesn't exist; hence the

Re: RE: Origins of 'Dutch Disease'

2002-02-25 Thread Paul Phillips
On 25 Feb 02, at 7:46, Devine, James wrote: Rob Schaap forwards the following web-page on the dutch disease. And, I was right, it wasn't oil but natural gas. http://www.aims.ca/Publications/gift/remittance.html here's the text, without graphs: Looking the Gift Horse in the Mouth:

Krugman Komes Around

2002-02-25 Thread Charles Brown
Krugman Komes Around by Doug Henwood 22 February 2002 20:38 UTC Devine, James wrote: Of course, we also have to remember Sabri's L scenario. Hey, if we're talking intellectual property, this is what I wrote last May: LUV song. But we're back to the question from 1,700 words ago: if no

Re: a lesson from Japan?

2002-02-25 Thread Gil Skillman
But let us not forget that Japan has faced some serious constraints in digging itself out of its deflationary spiral, constraints that the US doesn't necessarily face. Among them: 1) The link from loose monetary policy to expansion-creating loans has been disrupted by the high percentage of

On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-25 Thread Charles Brown
On the necessity of socialism by miyachi 23 February 2002 14:17 There is not necessity of socialism Rather, there is only possibility of socialism. Marx firstly expected revolution when economic panic happened, but later In Capital, Marx depended upon growing social movements themselves. BELOW

Mommy, what's a corporation?

2002-02-25 Thread Charles Brown
Mommy, what's a corporation? by Rakesh Bhandari 23 February 2002 20:26 UTC thanks, Ian, this seems to be a very interesting analysis indeed. ARTICLE 102 Colum. L. Rev. 1 (2002) The Thirteenth Amendment Versus the Commerce Clause: Labor and the Shaping of American Constitutional Law,

Reply To Melvin P

2002-02-25 Thread Charles Brown
Reply To Melvin P by Hari Kumar 24 February 2002 16:42 UTC ... that it is in fact mandatory for Marxists of all stripes to ask questions. This is necessary in the question of the Labour Aristocracy. ^^ Hello Comrade Kumar, Here's a question . What is the explanation of no revolution

Suppression of Marx

2002-02-25 Thread Charles Brown
Suppression of Marx by Drewk 24 February 2002 20:51 UTC This is a reply to Charles Brown's pen-l 22901. (I hope to respond to Tom Walker's question in pen-l 22893 soon.) Andrew, Thanks for taking the time to give that summary of your thinking. I want to note that I got the take on the

Re: God

2002-02-25 Thread Justin Schwartz
Devine, James wrote: As far as I can tell, there's no logical argument either for or against the existence of god. ^^^ CB: First , what is God ? Next, I would call for a combined logical and evidentiary argument on the issue ( maybe Jim D. implicitly means to include

Re: RE: Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Doug Henwood
Forstater, Mathew wrote: Tom writes: The anxiety isn't over pleasure and sensuality per se, but over the commodification of pleasure and sensuality this is Smythe's view, in my understanding. Mine too. But in all the analyses of this genre I've seen - and along with Jhally, I'm thinking of

...necessity of god, goddess,...

2002-02-25 Thread Charles Brown
...necessity of god, goddess,... by Robert Scott Gassler 25 February 2002 15:54 UTC Charles: I don't know if this is an interesting response, but what popped into my head when I read your comment was that the logical arguments for the non-existence of God are similar to the logical

BLS Daily Report

2002-02-25 Thread Richardson_D
BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, DAILY REPORT, FEBRUARY 25, 2002: Starting in August, the Bureau of Labor Statistics plans to release a new measure called the superlative consumer price index, which is designed to come closer to a cost-of-living measure than the current index, BLS officials say. We

Re: Re: RE: Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Eugene Coyle
Hey, I got my hair streaked gold last week! It doesn 't show up much on white though. And the stylist assured me it would wash out, which it did. But I still don't understand why ANY criticism of consumption makes the critic a hair-shirter. Gene Coyle Doug Henwood wrote: Forstater, Mathew

Dallas Smythe Student

2002-02-25 Thread Charles Brown
And my juvenile point was that a lot of this critique is a rather undigested rehash of a lot of Puritan hair-shirt crap. You may think the quote is out of context - I think it's a revealing expression of anxiety over pleasure and sensuality. It is also likely to have little political appeal

Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Michael Perelman
Slanderous lies. PEN-L has a strict fashion code, and my makeup is impecable. Doug Henwood wrote: I'll bet a lot of PEN-Lers don't approve of makeup or stylish clothes either. Doug -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321

RE: Re: a lesson from Japan?

2002-02-25 Thread Devine, James
Gil writes: But let us not forget that Japan has faced some serious constraints in digging itself out of its deflationary spiral, constraints that the US doesn't necessarily face. Among them: 1) The link from loose monetary policy to expansion-creating loans has been disrupted by the

RE: RE: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread michael pugliese
Re: Tran Vanh Dinh. Listed here in Edwin Moise biblio. Moise is a big source in Gabriel Kolko book from mid 90's on Vietnam War, specifically on North Vietnamese land reform that has been for decades subject to alot of debate esp. from Trotskyists and others I'm familiar with. Michael

RE: Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Devine, James
Doug Henwood wrote: I'll bet a lot of PEN-Lers don't approve of makeup or stylish clothes either. Michael Perelman writes: Slanderous lies. PEN-L has a strict fashion code, and my makeup is impecable. me too. I'm sure that most of you want to know that when I sit at the computer

Re: Re: Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-25 Thread Sabri Oncu
Socialism is necessary in the sense in which food is necessary: not as something which will be but as something that must be if we are to survive. It is pure religiosity to claim that socialism _will_ come; it is close to self-evident that unless it comes we will plunge ever deeper into

Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Sabri Oncu
Michael wrote: Slanderous lies. PEN-L has a strict fashion code, and my makeup is impecable. Hey, I know a business professor here at UC Berkeley who recently dyed his hair purple. Should we invite him to this list? He is quite a nice and extremely clever fellow from Israel who is opposed

Question to Miyachi

2002-02-25 Thread Hari Kumar
MIYACHI TATSUO wrote: I explain shortly Japanese new left movement. In pre-war and post-war to 1962, Japan communist party ruled left movement.But its strategy was under Komintern order. In 1950', Komintern ordered armed struggle from rural area modeled after China's revolution. QUESTION: I am

RE: Re: Devine/Moseley discussion

2002-02-25 Thread Devine, James
In our continuing discussion of crisis theory and its application to current events, Fred Moseley writes: You make a distinction here between the MICRO effects and the MACRO effects of a wage cut. There is a further distinction between the SHORT-RUN macro effects and the LONG-RUN macro effects,

Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Sabri Oncu
Carrol, Do you see what I mean? economists receiving Nobel Price since he ... You have serious spelling problems with this language and you better do something about it. Moreover, what is this calling what everybody else calls football soccer, what everybody else calls wrestling football and

Asia-Pacific server market continues slide in Q4

2002-02-25 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
The Economic Times Monday, February 25, 2002 Asia-Pacific server market continues slide in Q4 REUTERS HONG KONG: The Asia-Pacific (ex-Japan) market for computer servers fell by 18 per cent in the fourth quarter of 2001 with weak economic conditions plaguing sales even in the comparatively

Re: Dallas Smythe student (separated at birth?)

2002-02-25 Thread Tom Walker
What I see that I object to is not so much asceticism as good old fashioned oppositional smugness. I object to it, though, with some humility. There's a long tradition of smugness alternating between politically correct asceticism and bohemian hedonism. For chrissake think of the sixties maoists

Re: Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Bill Lear
On Monday, February 25, 2002 at 11:33:33 (-0500) Doug Henwood writes: Tom Walker wrote: This kind of hijacking selected words out of context and insinuating that they mean something else is pointless. I would say juvenile, but would be insulting to children. The context was the role of

Washington Consensus in question?

2002-02-25 Thread Steve Diamond
A policy briefing from the Levy Institute suggesting that the globalization drive is in trouble. http://www.levy.org/docs/pn/01-7.html Stephen F. Diamond School of Law Santa Clara University [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The Disappeared

2002-02-25 Thread Ken Hanly
There is a chilling article in the Independent (UK) about people detained since 9/11 in the US. Strange that there is a lot of discussion of treatment of Guantanamo detainees but very little about this, nor about the raids by KFOR authorities in Kosovo or the treatment of detainees in Afghan

Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-25 Thread Carrol Cox
Sabri Oncu wrote: Dear Carrol, Why are you being so picky? Look, we the non-native speakers are not as good as you are in this bloody language, O.K.? To some of us, including myself, there is not much difference between necessity, certainty and the like. That's the trouble -- there

Re: Re: Dallas Smythe student

2002-02-25 Thread Carrol Cox
Sabri Oncu wrote: Carrol, Do you see what I mean? economists receiving Nobel Price since he ... You have serious spelling problems with this language and you better do something about it. Moreover, what is this calling what everybody else calls football soccer, what everybody