The US British intelligence split is also a reflection of the split within
US intelligence. The CIA was not enthusiastic about Powell throwing in a
lot of dubious evidence to try to win by the quantity of the evidence
rather than the quality.
Bianca Jagger, who is quite a sophisticated peace
How I lost $8bn, by Ted Turner
Mouth of the south goes public on the merger that wiped out a fortune, the day
he spanked his father and his most embarrassing gaffe
David Teather in New York
Thursday February 6, 2003
The Guardian
Ted Turner, the maverick media tycoon, last night suggested an
[speaking of redistributing wealth..]
[New York Times]
February 6, 2003
Bush's Plan Would Scrap Many Investor Taxes
By EDMUND L. ANDREWS
WASHINGTON, Feb. 5 - Piece by piece, President Bush's new tax proposals would
go a long way toward achieving a goal cherished by many of his top
At 06/02/03 01:12 +, Alois wrote:
I look at PEN-L and all I see are a bunch of LIBERALS from universities
whose economic schemes all seem to involve big government coming in to
enact their redistributionist schemes. I see a lot of talk about
economics, including the discredited Marx.
so, what kind of business is the catholic church?
hmmm! webster's unabridged dictionary says:
Liberal \Liber*al\:
- Free by birth; refined; noble; independent; free;
not servile or mean;
- Bestowing in a large and noble way, as a freeman;
generous; bounteous; open-handed;
Title: Hitchens
Richard M writes:
I'm sure you guys and gyns have discussed this already, but is
Christopher Hitchens on some kind of medication? He sounds not so much reactionary as to my ears as incoherent, like the people who used to wander up and down Telegraph Avenue.
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Title: RE: [PEN-L:34374] PEN-L equals redistributionist LIBERALS
Alois writes:
#1 For all your carping about business, businesses CREATE JOBS. People
would be out of work if business did not create jobs for them.
-- why is it that JOBS are so important? why is it that people want THEM so
Dianne F* indeed [that full name should not be uttered on this list].
Outside of the US, you may not realize how awful that thing is. It
makes Bill Clinton appear as a tower of courage.
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 08:05:53AM +, Chris Burford wrote:
By contrast I see that the mass and skill
Well, thank god someone -- Chris Burford -- got to the point:
whether left wing political economy should primarily be about
fairer distribution.
In emphasizing liberalism with his caps -- redistributionist
LIBERALS -- Alois was right.
Andrew Kliman
Recalling the Brest-Litovsk negotiations, Trotsky
recalled that he felt a measure of relief when,
after all the Germano-Austrian diplomatic circumlocutions
about self-determination for Ukraine etc., General
Hoffman put his soldier's boot on the table and
announced what the German Empire wanted
I am not sure that distribution should be at the center. An auto worker
with 30 hours of overtime makes a good wage, but probably does not lead a
good life. Marx said that all economics comes down to the economics of
time.
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 10:21:50AM -0500, Drewk wrote:
Well, thank god
On Thursday, February 6, 2003 at 07:49:04 (-0800) Michael Perelman writes:
I am not sure that distribution should be at the center. An auto worker
with 30 hours of overtime makes a good wage, but probably does not lead a
good life. Marx said that all economics comes down to the economics of
Title: RE: [PEN-L:34395] redistributionist liberals
I worry about how a big chunk of workers' effort (surplus-labor) is redistributed to another part of the population simply because the latter (with the blessing protection of the state) control the means of production and the ability to
Alois wrote:
I look at PEN-L and all I see are a bunch of LIBERALS from universities
whose economic schemes all seem to involve big government coming in to
enact their redistributionist schemes.
At this point I was sure we were going to be told we should stop being
so reformist.
Carrol Cox wrote:
blunting working-class power in the imperialist center. I don't think
Lenin was right about super-profits providing a bribe for imperialist
workers, but that is quite secondary to his core perception that
imperialism, _in some way_, underwrites opportunism in the working
class.
Michael Perelman wrote:
I am not sure that distribution should be at the center. An auto worker
with 30 hours of overtime makes a good wage, but probably does not lead a
good life. Marx said that all economics comes down to the economics of
time.
It has always seemed to me that what
I thot it was surplus value that was redistributed
in the first place.
love me, love me, love me, I'm a RD liberal . . .
mbs
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 10:21:50AM -0500, Drewk wrote:
Well, thank god someone -- Chris Burford -- got to the point:
whether left wing political economy should
[was: [PEN-L:34400] Re: Re: redistributionist
liberals]
Carrol writes: It has always seemed to me that what
demarcates marxism from other working-class trends, liberal, social
democrat, anarchism, etc., is its focus on the social relations
humans enter into in the production and
at
http://64.27.164.103/tows/pastshows/200302/tows_past_20030206_plug.jhtml
Participation seems worthwhile. Paul Z.
***
Confronting 9-11, Ideologies of Race, and Eminent Economists, Vol. 20
RESEARCH IN POLITICAL ECONOMY, Paul
Devine, James wrote:
[clip]
Above, I'm not disagreeing with Carrol or Lenin as far as I know.
Agreed. Part of the process of moving Lenin's analysis out of the
handbook into the world.
But
I want to quibble about super-imperialism (meaning a unified
rich-capitalist imperialist bloc).
Title: RE: [PEN-L:34406] Re: redistributionism and imperialism
Carrol writes:
I don't think this fundamentally affirms the possibility of
super-imperialism. What Kautsky saw coming was not just a protracted
period of imperialist unity against a serious working-class challenge
(such as
Holy Nassau Senior, Perelman! What will become of the morals of our children and young
people if those auto workers are turned out
of the warm, pure atmosphere of the factory into the heartless and frivolous outer
world?
Michael Perelman wrote,
I am not sure that distribution should be at
Tom Walker wrote:
Holy Nassau Senior, Perelman! What will become of the morals of our children and young people if those auto workers are turned out
of the warm, pure atmosphere of the factory into the heartless and frivolous outer world?
What constitutes the alienation of labour?
Firstly,
- Original Message -
From: Bill Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Harry Glasbeek has made a very firm contribution to economic justice
in his book *Wealth by Stealth: Corporate Crime, Corporate Law, and
the Perversion of Democracy* (Between the Lines, 2003).
=
An excellent
- Original Message -
From: Max B. Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I thot it was surplus value that was redistributed
in the first place.
love me, love me, love me, I'm a RD liberal . . .
mbs
=
Appropriated..
Quite apart from this crude tearing-apart of
Not to romanticize peasant life or traditional popular culture, but it seems to me
that in 1844 non-working time had a distinctive
character that marked it off as something other than merely not being at work. The
development of capitalism has included the
manufacture of a leisure time and
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030217s=henwood
Partying on the Right
by Doug Henwood
We all had our youthful indiscretions that haunt us for the rest of
our lives. Mine was conservatism. Sometime late in high school, I
fell under the spell of Milton Friedman and Bill Buckley, and about
Title: RE: [PEN-L:34413] Partying on the Right
was Dubya a member of the POR?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
-Original Message-
From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:54 PM
I am not sure that distribution should be at the center. An autoworker with 30 hours of overtime makes a good wage, but probably does not lead a good life. Marx said that all economics comes down to the economics of
time.
The "economics of time" provides an entry point into the logic of the era
At 06/02/03 01:12 +, Alois wrote:
I look at PEN-L and all I see are a bunch of LIBERALS from universities whose economic schemes all seem to involve big government coming in to enact their redistributionist schemes. I see a lot of talk about economics, including the discredited Marx.
reply
Blair was interviewed for 50 minutes tonight by Jeremy Paxman and an
audience of of people almost universally opposed to the war.
It was the most stringent test he could have submitted himself to.
The choice of a Tyneside audience was particularly clever. It is near his
constituency so he
Dr. Seuss style AMERICA, 2003
The Whos down in Whoville liked this country a lot,
But the Grinch in the White House most certainly did not.
He didn't arrive there by the will of the Whos,
But stole the election that he really did lose.
Vowed to rule from the middle, then installed his regime.
Devine, James wrote:
was Dubya a member of the POR?
Nope. Just SB.
Doug
So, like, what kind of women to these right-wing parties attract? Gold
diggers? Religious types?
The closest I made it to a right-wing party was to join a sorority in high
school for about ten minutes. (I gave it up cause I didn't have much
leisure time and the little I did have I decided to
.
Connectivity poor at this moment, so I am taking the liberty in the
circumstances of quoting from Mark Jones's A list where more detail and
the URL link is published.
http://www.channel4.com/news/home/z/stories/20030206/dossier.html
The original author of crucial parts is shown by typographical
errors
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:15:16 -0800
From: Richard Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Impeach Bush To Stop The War
Greetings,
Former Attorney General Ramsey Clark is spearheading an effort to avert the
coming war with Iraq by urging the Congress to impeach
The International Herald Tribune
3 countries delay NATO's decision over Iraq measures
Thomas Fuller International Herald Tribune
Friday, February 7, 2003
BRUSSELS France, Germany and Belgium were told Thursday that they
have until Monday to decide if they want to continue blocking the
Bush Weighs U.N. Resolution on Iraq
By Barry Schweid
AP Diplomatic Writer
Thursday, February 6, 2003; 6:06 PM
In the face of stiff opposition from allies, President Bush
Thursday said he would be open to a second U.N. resolution on
disarmament, following up one approved last November, but only
What was the name of that book by HardtNegri, does anyone
remember?
These fellows better take a look at what is below and think about
a second edition with major revisions:
I think there is also the possibility that success could
fundamentally reshape that region in a powerful, positive way
that
Venezuela pegs bolivar to dollar
The Guardian
Staff and agencies
Thursday February 6, 2003
Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan president, today pegged the country's embattled
currency to the dollar in an effort to ease the economic damage from a
two-month long general strike that failed to oust him.
The new vassals
Iraq has exposed both the splits in western Europe and the ease with which
former eastern bloc states have been drawn into the US orbit
Jonathan Steele
Friday February 7, 2003
The Guardian
Donald Rumsfeld's division of Europe into new and old and the letter of
solidarity with
The International Herald Tribune | www.iht.com
Low education rating stuns Germany
John Schmid/IHT International Herald Tribune
Friday, February 7, 2003
FRANKFURT Treasured stereotypes are dying in Germany. That the country's
finances are solid, its workers productive and its economy a powerhouse
Original Message
Subject: Fw: Urgent call for aid to Feb 15 actions
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 19:22:43 -0500
From: George Snedeker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: mlg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The February 15 and 16 rallies in New York and San Francisco are taking
on
[New York Times]
February 7, 2003
Is the Maestro a Hack?
By PAUL KRUGMAN
It's probably wishful thinking, but some people hope that the old Alan
Greenspan - the man we used to respect - will make a return appearance next
week.
During the Clinton years Mr. Greenspan became an icon of fiscal
[I tried to find the report on Northeastern's website but had no luck. Anyone
on the list know Andrew Sum?]
[New York Times]
February 6, 2003
Young, Jobless, Hopeless
By BOB HERBERT
CHICAGO - You see them in many parts of the city, hanging out on frigid street
corners, skylarking at the malls
www.dac.neu.edu/economics/facstaff/andrew.htm
- Original Message -
From: Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pen-l [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 7:12 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:34432] jobless youth
[I tried to find the report on Northeastern's website but had no luck.
Anyone
opposed. Some AKP deputies crossed the floor
to vote with the opposition Republican Peoples Party (CHP)
against the government motion.
Also see:
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030206-113335-9871r
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35642-2003Feb6.htm
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