Re: Complexity

2003-06-17 Thread Chris Burford
At 2003-06-16 15:34 -0700, you quoted: An economic system is dynamically complex if its deterministic endogenous processes do not lead it asymptotically to a fixed point, a limit cycle, or an explosion. This sounds like a classic statement based on well established chaos theory but trying to

America's rebuilding of Iraq is in chaos

2003-06-17 Thread Chris Burford
Very aggressive virtually official British briefing against the Americans, now in the Daily Telegraph, paper read by the die-hard Conservative right in Britain, including the British military. Blair may need all party cover for his exit strategy all the more so in view of the increasing

British troops face four years in Iraq

2003-06-17 Thread Chris Burford
Ominous headline on the front page of the Times, this morning. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5944-716484,00.html A virtually completely on the record briefing by the UK government, approved by the Defence Secretary and Tony Blair's office, and no doubt, Alastair Campbell. This is a

Re: America's rebuilding of Iraq is in chaos

2003-06-17 Thread Robert Scott Gassler
Almost like having no government. Sounds like a libertarian's dream. Maybe they should all go live there. At 08:01 17/06/03 +0100, Chris Burford wrote: Very aggressive virtually official British briefing against the Americans, now in the Daily Telegraph, paper read by the die-hard Conservative

Re: Slicing off the top

2003-06-17 Thread Kenneth Campbell
House Discloses Itself to Be Poorer Sibling of the Senate By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr. New York Times WASHINGTON, June 16 — Compared with the millionaires' club in the Senate, many leaders in the House of Representatives have wealth more in line with that of successful middle managers, according to

'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-17 Thread Kenneth Campbell
'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II) Clifford Orwin National Post Tuesday, June 17, 2003 In yesterday's column I began to address the allegations that a sinister cabal of Straussians dominates American foreign policy and was responsible for the war against Saddam. Many would have

Limits to technology

2003-06-17 Thread Louis Proyect
LRB | Vol. 25 No. 9 dated 8 May 2003 A Trap of Their Own Making Anatol Lieven Guerrilla warfare against the US is now a good deal more difficult because of two undramatic but immensely important innovations: superbly effective and light bullet-proof vests and helmets which make the US and British

Susceptibility to Marx

2003-06-17 Thread Ellen Frank
Doug wrote: That's an outrageous policy, of course, but if I were on mainstream TV, I wouldn't use capitalist or capitalism either - I'd opt for more acceptable euphemisms. I've found over the years that lots of ordinary people are susceptible to Marxist analyses as long as they don't know that's

Re: Susceptibility to Marx

2003-06-17 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Doug: I recall reading some poll results where a majority identified theline "from each according to his ability to each according to hisneed" as coming from the US Constitution. * * * I've seen that too. Also, I have seen classroom full of fairly conservative Ohio State freshmen spontaneously

Re: Susceptibility to Marx

2003-06-17 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Ellen wrote: I recall reading some poll results where a majority identified the line from each according to his ability to each according to his need as coming from the US Constitution. You might mean a 1987 Boston Globe magazine poll which claimed that about half the American population

Re: frontline: home | PBS

2003-06-17 Thread Forstater, Mathew
At the recent (and first ever) ICAPE (international confederation for the advancement of pluralism in economics) conference here at UMKC, an Austrian economist on a panel on Rethinking (Post-)Capitalism said he would not use the word capitalism because it was created by people who were critical of

Re: Slicing off the top

2003-06-17 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Slicing off the top if I may be mechanical in my application of Marxism, this might explain the petty-bourgeois shrillness of the House, as opposed to the more lordly demeanor of the Senate. Of course, such behavioral differences are also encouraged by the length of the

Re: Susceptibility to Marx

2003-06-17 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Susceptibility to Marx from each according to ability, to each according to contribution is the official ideology of capitalism but to Marx might _really_ be applied in the lower level of communism. from each according to ability, to each according to need is the slogan

Re: Susceptibility to Marx

2003-06-17 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Look it up in Hal Draper's KM Theory of Revolution-- he'll tell you more about these maximsthan you want to know. The contribution principle is obviously ancient and standard. The needs principle may be novel, at least in formulation. jks"Devine, James" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "from each

Re: US auto industry to die?

2003-06-17 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] US auto industry to die? I simply forwarded an editorial from the London ECONOMIST that was apocalyptic, i.e., predicting the death of the big 3 US auto-makers. My headline fit their message. As for jobs disappearing forever, I don't think so. As I said before, Marx

Re: Slicing off the top

2003-06-17 Thread Carrol Cox
Devine, James wrote: if I may be mechanical in my application of Marxism, this might explain the petty-bourgeois shrillness of the House, as opposed to the more lordly demeanor of the Senate. Of course, such behavioral differences are also encouraged by the length of the terms (2 vs. 6

the new party line

2003-06-17 Thread Devine, James
Title: the new party line The Bushwackers must be desperate. Michael Ramirez, the Bushist political cartoonist for the Los Angeles TIMES, has a 'toon today that expresses this desperation: It shows the Marines planting the US flag on Iwo Jima, with a carping liberal critic (Boo!) asking You

The Mizrahi Democratic Rainbow: Protest the 2003 Annual Meeting of the Israeli Anthropological Association

2003-06-17 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:19:53 +0300 From: Martina Rieker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: H-Gender-MidEast: The Mizrahi Democratic Rainbow ( Re: Protest the 2003 Annual Meeting of the Israeli Anthropological Association) Sender: OS`k on Gender in the Middle East [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Mizrahi

you say you want a revolution?

2003-06-17 Thread Devine, James
Title: you say you want a revolution? We can seize the day The task is not to overthrow globalisation but to use it for a democratic revolution George Monbiot Tuesday June 17, 2003 The Guardian Last week Jack Straw illuminated the depths of his political cowardice by shining upon

Re: US auto industry to die?

2003-06-17 Thread dsquared
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:05:55 -0400, Doug Henwood wrote: Hmm, the tone on PEN-L is turning apocalyptic - U.S. auto industry to die, jobs disappearing forever, etc. This makes me wonder if the economy is bottoming out. Forecasting the death of Detroit is pretty much a constant across the

Re: Susceptibility to Marx

2003-06-17 Thread Michael Perelman
Didn't other polls find that people thought that measure from the bill of rights were communist laws. On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 10:09:01AM -0400, Ellen Frank wrote: Doug wrote: That's an outrageous policy, of course, but if I were on mainstream TV, I wouldn't use capitalist or capitalism

the Lynch truth is coming out...

2003-06-17 Thread Devine, James
Title: the Lynch truth is coming out... from MS SLATE's summary of top US newspapers: The Washington Post's top non-local story is a huge revisionist piece on Pfc. Jessica Lynch's saga and concludes that the story of her capture and rescue is far more complex and different than has been

Re: WTO--hypocrisy, yada yada yada

2003-06-17 Thread Peter Dorman
How can this absurdity be peddled so openly and repeatedly? EU ag subsidies the biggest single contributor to Third World poverty? Unreal. Peter Ian Murray wrote: The International Herald Tribune | www.iht.com Europe's trade hypocrisy: The West pays to keep the rest poor Philip Bowring IHT

Re: WTO--hypocrisy, yada yada yada

2003-06-17 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Peter Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] WTO--hypocrisy, yada yada yada How can this absurdity be peddled so openly and repeatedly? EU ag subsidies the biggest single contributor to Third

Re: Weapons hunters watch films

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
The list of US allies with mass graves on their land is non-trivial and the list who have torture chambers is very long. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Weapons

Re: Complexity

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
Sabri, I took this definition from Dick Day in his book on Complexity Dynamics in Economics, 1994, MIT Press. There are over 40 other definitions, but I l like this one for economic dynamics. The dynamic patterns that are ruled out are all rather regular, asymptotic convergence or

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-17 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II) I felt soiled reading these articles. The culture that Peter refers to comes out pretty clear from them. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-17 Thread Peter Dorman
The issue is not what Strauss himself did or did not say. There is a definite culture among contemporary Straussians (divided as they are) that promotes deceit and an ubermensch self-conception among the adepts. It disdains democracy due to the inability of the vast majority to attain, or even

Re: frontline: home | PBS

2003-06-17 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] frontline: home | PBS FWIW, I've seen more and more references to capitalism in orthodox economics books (and the like) lately. Of course, it's likely similar to the rise in references to empire and imperialism, i.e., involving positive conotations.

Re: Hobsbawm on the American Empire

2003-06-17 Thread Peter Dorman
OK, this is for the sake of discussion, since I wouldn't presume to advise UFPJ. First, I think that, just by being who they are, they pose a question to groups involved in economic globalization. If, say, Public Citizen works with UFPJ, they necessarily weaken their ties to corporate

mass graves

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
Well, since it appears that nobody else is going to do it, and some folks are curious, I just went off and googled around on Iraq mass graves and got a lot of hits, but not a definite picture. The most scarifying story was on Middle East Media Report from a bunch of Arab journalists who

Re: Complexity

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
Chris, Yeah, I'm stifled (gag...!). So, to be more precise, chaotic dynamics are complex dynamics, but there are many other varieties of complex dynamics that are not chaotic, a rather long list indeed that I shall not bore the list with. For a fuller accounting of the many varietites,

Re: mass graves

2003-06-17 Thread Michael Perelman
I was referring to the Afgan mass graves, where the US buried prisoners who suffocated or were shot. On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 03:26:06PM -0400, Barkley Rosser wrote: Well, since it appears that nobody else is going to do it, and some folks are curious, I just went off and googled around

not physical mistreatment?

2003-06-17 Thread Devine, James
Title: not physical mistreatment? www.nytimes.com Inmates Released from Guantnamo Tell Tales of Despair By CARLOTTA GALL with NEIL A. LEWIS KABUL, Afghanistan, June 16 Afghans and Pakistanis who were detained for many months by the American military at Guantnamo Bay in Cuba before being

Re: mass graves

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
Michael, I think this is an artifact of your email overload. I originally asked late in a reply to a message from Chris Burford if anybody knew the details of the Iraqi mass graves because this was increasingly being given as the stop the discussion argument by pro-war types against critics

Re: not physical mistreatment?

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
Title: not physical mistreatment? Actually, I would say that mass graves in Afghanistan are history, and tied to wartime anyway, a lot like Saddam's from 1991. This Guantanamo situation is an ongoin outrage, a concentration camp. Saddam had prisons and lots of political prisoners, many of

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-17 Thread andie nachgeborenen
There's a big range. I had two Straussian teachers in Michigan polisci. One was a liberal feminist, utterly commited to democracy. She didn't blink when I wrote a paper defending what I took to be Lenin's ideal of direct democracy in SR. The other Straussian teacher of mine was very conservative,

Re: Susceptibility to Marx

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
I'm not sure where it originates from, but I have heard it claimed that Marx and Engels said that distribution under socialism was to be from each according to his ability, to each according to his work. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: Forstater, Mathew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: Susceptibility to Marx

2003-06-17 Thread Shane Mage
Barkley Rosser wrote: I'm not sure where it originates from, but I have heard it claimed that Marx and Engels said that distribution under socialism was to be from each according to his ability, to each according to his work. If I recall correctly, the phrase is Stalinist in origin and may

Cooke and Short detail charges against Blair

2003-06-17 Thread Chris Burford
Key points in testimony to the House of Commons foreign affairs select committee. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2996366.stm Cooke's is probably more analytical and penetrating. Short may have coined the most damning phrase for Tony Blair: that he was guilty of an honourable deception.

Re: Cooke and Short detail charges against Blair

2003-06-17 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Cooke and Short detail charges against Blair as I said one time, Blair is the weak link in Bush's chain-mail. The British system seems much more democratic than the US one, which makes it hard for Blair to be a permanent ally. BTW, is Robin Cook the same guy who writes

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-17 Thread Peter Dorman
I will admit (actually I said it in an earlier e-mail) that my knowledge of Straussian mores comes from my own experience and not from any sort of systematic study. It may well be that I encountered an unrepresentative sample, although (1) grad students I talked to who had been dragooned into

Re: mass graves

2003-06-17 Thread Michael Perelman
There is a new German documentary about the massacre. Hundreds were loaded into trailers. Most suffocated. The rest were shot and buried along with the others. The US has refused to let anyone investigate. On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 03:49:51PM -0400, Barkley Rosser wrote: Michael, I think

Re: mass graves

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
Thanks. There were some initial reports about this at the time, but it certainly disappeared from the news pretty quickly. I am not surprised that the US is not allowing anybody to investigate this. What I find really peculiar is that we are not letting the UN weapons inspectors into Iraq.

Re: Susceptibility to Marx

2003-06-17 Thread Tom Walker
From each according to his need... I believe that Marx got it from Louis Blanc who adapted a slightly different notion from the St. Simonists. The basic idea is biblical. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Complexity

2003-06-17 Thread Sabri Oncu
Chris: On the basis of one hundred years of western mathematics chaos theory has produced something as mystical as the Mandelbrot set. It also produces that heart stopping moment for all of us, when we learn that the cardiac rhythm is not actually mechanically totally regular, but is in a

forwarded from Gary Wilson

2003-06-17 Thread michael perelman
In Marx's Critique of the Gotha Program he talks about it, saying that to each according to need is communism, but in the transitional stage (socialism or workers state or whatever terminology you prefer) it is payment according to work. As I remember it, he was saying that payment according to

mass graves

2003-06-17 Thread michael perelman
forwarded from Alex Foster I used a pretty restrictive string, (Iraq! AND atleast4(mass grave!)), which probably missed a few very brief reports. I also limited the search to stop at September 11, 2001. FWIW, the largest single grave - if Fisk can be believed here - may be the one interring the

Fight against big media

2003-06-17 Thread michael perelman
Forwarded from Bob McChesney: The situation in Washington is critical for media ownership. Please read this, act on it, and pass it on. It is a statement from the group I started with John Nichols, called Free Press. We have a genuine chance to make history, and reverse decades of corrupt media

Postmodern Pooh

2003-06-17 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Sorry to have gone on too long about this book (Postmodern Pooh, Crews)... and talked about postmodernism itself. After this post, I will not mention Pooh again. But I have just finished it... reread it even. I also actually searched for the footnote citations and found every single one. As one

Re: From JK Galbraith's 60s to Enron

2003-06-17 Thread michael perelman
Pipe Dreams is a very nice book. Michael Pollak wrote: London Review of Books Vol. 25 No. 10 22 May 2003 Donald MacKenzie Empty Cookie Jar Pipe Dreams: Greed, Ego and the Death of Enron by Robert Bryce | PublicAffairs, 394 pp, £9.99 -- Michael Perelman Economics Department

Re: From JK Galbraith's 60s to Enron

2003-06-17 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: michael perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pipe Dreams is a very nice book. == See, folks, there's just no way to catch up with him.. Ian

Banned in Iraq

2003-06-17 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* Iraq's lethal peace It could yet change American minds Leader Monday June 16, 2003 The Guardian ...Almost unnoticed outside Iraq, the senior US administrator in Iraq, Paul Bremer, has issued a proclamation outlawing any gatherings, pronouncements or publications that call for the return of

Ethnocratic Politics in Israel (by Oren Yiftachel)

2003-06-17 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* Barriers to Peace (Middle East Report 223, Summer 2002) The Shrinking Space of Citizenship Ethnocratic Politics in Israel Oren Yiftachel (Oren Yiftachel teaches political geography at Ben Gurion University in Beer-Sheva, Israel.) On February 14, 2002, the Israeli government sent several

Re: you say you want a revolution?

2003-06-17 Thread Louis Proyect
We can seize the day The task is not to overthrow globalisation but to use it for a democratic revolution George Monbiot cannot be take seriously. Number one, globalization cuts both ways. While it allows everybody to get online and send email back and forth, it also tends to impose imperialist

Re: Hobsbawm on the American Empire

2003-06-17 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
This is a difficult question. The global justice movement has, in general, been willing to align itself with old-fashioned protectionist interests in the US. They have more money than we do and more access to media and politicians. Activists recognize that the interests involved are

Middle class and unemployed

2003-06-17 Thread Louis Proyect
Boston Globe Magazine, June 15, 2003 Middle Class and Out of Work When white-collar professionals get the pink slip, they face a reality they never expected: Getting back into the work force is a full-time and often futile job. By Carlene Hempel, 6/15/2003 Tracy Vachon is standing in the