Alas, we are letting them get away with decisions like the following
without making a peep
* U.S. Extends Iraq Deployment of Key Army Division
July 14
- By Will Dunham
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Facing mounting security threats in Iraq, the
U.S. military said on Monday thousands of soldiers
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From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alas, we are letting them get away with decisions like the following
without making a peep
=
'They' didn't listen to 'us' for the last 12 years of the war; what makes
you think they'll listen now?
I received the following announcement via the listserv of Military
Families Speak Out. I checked the ANSWER website, but it is not on
its home page, so I assume that this is mainly organized by the NY
chapter of ANSWER.
* Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:10:40 +
From: resistgwb [EMAIL
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From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alas, we are letting them get away with decisions like the following
without making a peep
=
'They' didn't listen to 'us' for the last 12 years of the war; what makes
you think they'll listen now?
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Devine, James wrote:
Isn't a pollak a kind of fish?
Yes, but he spells his name with a c.
Michael
In his latest article on his website, GP sez:
quote
The US press does not understand why Africans don't jump for Bush's
generous offer. None note that the money held out to the continent's
desperate nations has strings attached or, more accurately, chains and
manacles. The billions offered are
7/15/03
Hi Michael,
Check out the July 14 Democracy Now! radio show on the Pacifica News site.
Sorry, I dont have the url.
At the end of the show, Amy Goodman spoke with a woman about patent
monopolies, pharmaceutical drugs and U.S. aid to Africa.
Best,
Seth Sandronsky
In his latest
France - A wave of working class mobilisation
The period between mid-March and 19 June saw the largest wave of industrial
protests in France since the Winter of 1995, when a railway strike developed
into a
http://www.newhistory.org/
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That's the News by Merle Haggard (selections)
Suddenly it's over
The war is finally done
Soldiers in the desert sand
Still clinging to a gun.
No one is the winner
And everyone must lose
Suddenly the war is over
That's the news.
...
Politicians do all the talking
Soldiers pay the dues
Suddenly the
A long way from Okie from Muskogee, no? jks
--- Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's the News by Merle Haggard (selections)
Suddenly it's over
The war is finally done
Soldiers in the desert sand
Still clinging to a gun.
No one is the winner
And everyone must lose
Suddenly the
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
A long way from Okie from Muskogee, no?
Yup. Speaking of which, I heard an Australian aborigine singing that
song at an opening at the aboriginal arts center in Adelaide a couple
of years ago. A truly strange experience.
Doug
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
A long way from Okie from Muskogee, no? jks
origianlly written as a joke while high smoking weed
A long way from Okie from Muskogee, no? jks
I heard a report on the writing of that song on US National Public Radio awhile back.
Haggard and the rest of the band were stoned out of their gourds on pot when driving
through Muskogee -- and the song was a satire. It's the audience that
Devine, James wrote:
A long way from Okie from Muskogee, no? jks
I heard a report on the writing of that song on US National Public Radio awhile
back. Haggard and the rest of the band were stoned out of their gourds on pot when
driving through Muskogee -- and the song was a satire. It's
Thanks Louis for the ref !
J.
Haggard lives in Reading, near Chico. He had served time in San Quentin,
I believe. He was also one of the patients of Tenet Health care who seem
to be given unnecessary heart surgery to make more .
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 08:33:11AM -0700, Devine, James wrote:
That's the News by Merle
From the Tigertown e-news
Ancient Athens provides model for contemporary
workplace
Classical history scholars may not seem the most
likely candidates to write a book on the modern
workplace, yet Princeton Professor Josiah Ober and
co-author Brook Manville have done just that --
demonstrating that
http://www.federalreserve.gov/BoardDocs/HH/2003/July/FullReport.htm
To this day, no one has come up with a set of rules for
originality. There aren't any. [Les Paul]
ill lead the way?
Song: Its a Scandal! Its An Outrage!
Band: Rodgers And Hammerstein
Album: Oklahoma! Broadway Musical
[Peddler]
Oh!
Trapped!...
Tricked! ...
Hoodwinked! ...
Ambushed! ...
[Men]
Friend,
Whut's on yer mind?
Why do you walk
Around and around,
With yer hands
Folded behind,
And yer
Contrary to the JKS's headline, the authors aren't pro-slavery, seeing instead
Athenian slavery and the treatment of women foreigners as an Achilles heel of the
system.
The book seems to be an effort to make money out of the humanities by entering the
field the pop-management literature. It
My writing is totally incoherent. Here's what I meant to say:
Contrary to JKS's headline, the authors aren't
pro-slavery, seeing instead Athenian slavery and the
treatment of women foreigners as an Achilles heel of the system.
The book seems to be an effort to make money out of the
http://prorev.com/mideastwater.pdf
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Michael Perelman wrote:
A piece of depleted uranium is not particularly radioactive because
the particles it emits are relatively big and will mostly bounce off
your skin.
not quite, but almost.
depleted uranium emits mainly alpha particles. having a large
cross-section, they can not travel
this is great. I'm glad I posted a provocative statement about DU, since it evoked
great answers.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
-Original Message-
From: Les Schaffer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15,
In Holland it is sometimes trendy in management circles to hire professional
philosophers as consultants - philosophy provides freedom for critical
thought, hence a philosopher might identify or reframe problems in a way
which a more narrow-minded business approach might fail to do, through a
It's a joke, Jim. A joke. . . .
--- Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Contrary to the JKS's headline, the authors aren't
pro-slavery, seeing instead Athenian slavery and the
treatment of women foreigners as an Achilles
heel of the system.
The book seems to be an effort to make money
Hope you are OK ? Anything I can do, just ask.
J.
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Back to slavery
My writing is totally incoherent. Here's what I meant to say:
Contrary to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/15/03 11:53 AM
I heard a report on the writing of that song on US National Public Radio
awhile back. Haggard and the rest of the band were stoned out of their
gourds on pot when driving through Muskogee -- and the song was a
satire. It's the audience that interpreted it as a
Title: 911 STUDY
The following is an interesting reportfrom a Portuguese
newspaper, The Portugal News Weekend Edition (May 8, 2002) ,
regarding a group of US pilots who deliberated non-stop for 72 hours
in an independent analysis of the 911 story.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/15/03 3:13 PM
...ray wylie hubbard wrote 'up
against the wall redneck mother' recored by he and his band the cowboy
twinkies and by
jerry jeff walker... michael hoover
new riders of the purple sage also recorded above song... michael
hoover
Sophists, Socrates would say. He wouldn't take money
for doing philosophy . . . .
jks
--- Jurriaan Bendien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In Holland it is sometimes trendy in management
circles to hire professional
philosophers as consultants - philosophy provides
freedom for critical
thought,
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From: Jurriaan Bendien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In Holland it is sometimes trendy in management circles to hire
professional
philosophers as consultants - philosophy provides freedom for critical
thought, hence a philosopher might identify or reframe problems in a way
MH saidmh [Merle Haggard] was at smithsonian recently and when asked about politics,
he
declined comment saying something to effect that he has a lot of
opinions that wouldn't be too popular down the street at the white house
In the NPR interview (June 9, 2001), he revealed belief in several
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From: Dan Scanlan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A group of military and civilian US pilots, under the chairmanship of
Colonel Donn de Grand, after deliberating non-stop for 72 hours, has
concluded that the flight crews of the four passenger airliners,
involved in the September
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
Sophists, Socrates would say. He wouldn't take money
for doing philosophy . . . .
A pampered lapdog of the filthy rich doesn't need to charge for
anything.
Carrol
Hey, I recently saw a mgt book called something like,
Management Secrets of Karl Marx! (Or, Who Moved My
Surplus Value?) It did NOT include advice to the boss
to fire himself, vest ownership and control in the
workers, and become a free producer engaged in
productive but non-value-producing
If you recall, the Thirty had him condemned in a show
trial, and executed for subverting the youth and
impiety . . . . jks
--- Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
Sophists, Socrates would say. He wouldn't take
money
for doing philosophy . . . .
A pampered
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From: andie nachgeborenen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you recall, the Thirty had him condemned in a show
trial, and executed for subverting the youth and
impiety . . . . jks
==
He was driving down their fees...
I don't know if this is a joke, but Marx's CAPITAL would give more guidance to
managers than neoclassical economics does. The latter wants all relationships between
people to be one of exchange...
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
No, I am quite serious, I recently saw such a book. I
agree that Marxian economics would be a better guide
to labor relations and general management than NCE.
NCE might be better on pricing questions. You really
do want to price close to marginal cost if the market
is competitive, above if not . .
You mean the fees of the sophists? The Thirty were a
bunch of rich pigs. They had slaves and land, not
fees. jks
--- Eubulides [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: andie nachgeborenen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you recall, the Thirty had him condemned in a
show
trial,
as Marx said, businesspeople don't care about values.
Whether the commodities are sold at their values or not, and hence the determination
of value itself, is quite immaterial for the individual capitalist. (international
publ. ed., volume III, p. 873)
Jim Devine
Coincidently I'm reading Oliver Williamson at the moment,
whose existence and inspired lit debunks your assertion.
Transactions costs can make hierarchy (the firm) more economical
than market exchange.
mbs
I don't know if this is a joke, but Marx's CAPITAL would give more guidance
to managers
Oliver Williamson is not quite mainstream; his stuff doesn't appear in standard
textbooks, which to my mind represent the codification of NC ideology. But more
importantly, my assertion was that the NC _wants_ everything to be an exchange. The
fact that hierarchy is needed is seen as a failure
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From: andie nachgeborenen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Back to slavery
You mean the fees of the sophists?
=
Of course.
Rickey Henderson just signed with the Mets.
Age 44.
Stay in shape.
Gene Coyle
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
If you recall, the Thirty had him condemned in a show
trial, and executed for subverting the youth and
impiety . . . . jks
Wow! You're asleep today. He was tried _after_ the restoration of the
Democracy, and his friendship with the 30 (particularly with Critias)
Devine, James wrote:
Oliver Williamson is not quite mainstream; his stuff doesn't appear
in standard textbooks, which to my mind represent the codification
of NC ideology. But more importantly, my assertion was that the NC
_wants_ everything to be an exchange. The fact that hierarchy is
needed is
I wrote:
Oliver Williamson is not quite mainstream; his stuff doesn't appear
in standard textbooks, which to my mind represent the codification
of NC ideology. But more importantly, my assertion was that the NC
_wants_ everything to be an exchange. The fact that hierarchy is
needed is seen as
Bruno Frey.
Frey argues that relying on market motivation can
easily undermine intrinsic motivation to do so
something.)
jim
It's a basic rat psych 101 result that you can enhance
a behavior by reinforcement, but if it was a behavior
that the rat would do (some) anyway, if you take away
the
Right, thanks, serves me right for not looking things
up, and for multitasking while doing a due diligence
(boring), but they were rich bastards too. jks
--- Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
If you recall, the Thirty had him condemned in a
show
trial,
I wrote
Bruno argues that relying on market motivation can
easily undermine intrinsic motivation to do so
something.)
JKS:
It's a basic rat psych 101 result that you can enhance
a behavior by reinforcement, but if it was a behavior
that the rat would do (some) anyway, if you take away
The lack of information available regarding 9-11 creates fertile ground
for conspiracy theories.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 12:51:32PM -0700, Eubulides wrote:
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From: Dan Scanlan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A group of military and civilian US pilots, under the chairmanship of
Frey has done all sorts of interesting work on the subject. In some
recent articles, he has shown how Swiss citizens were more willing to
accept toxic waste dumps when the government did not offer to compensate
them.
Much of what he says is merely common sense. Imagine a young man out on
the
Yes Ian, that book on General Motors exists. See
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0805052534/qid=1058303758/sr=2-3/ref=
sr_2_3/002-9116098-3703241
There is a literature on this, for instance
Langholm , Odd Inge, Price and value in the Aristotelian tradition 1979 and
Wealth and money in the
Is the sugfgestion that the sexual favors of young men
are like toxic waste? Well, ladies, whaddya think? Are
we that bad? jks
--- Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Frey has done all sorts of interesting work on the
subject. In some
recent articles, he has shown how Swiss citizens
Now that pen-l has finished talking about Merle Haggard, is it time to
turn to Garth Brooks?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
On Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 14:40:37 (-0700) Michael Perelman writes:
Frey has done all sorts of interesting work on the subject. In some
recent articles, he has shown how Swiss citizens were more willing to
accept toxic waste dumps when the government did not offer to compensate
them.
Similar
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
Is the sugfgestion that the sexual favors of young men
are like toxic waste? Well, ladies, whaddya think? Are
we that bad?
waitaminit! are you calling yourself a young man? ;-) ;-)
--ravi
Did we finish with Les Paul?
Devine, James wrote:
Now that pen-l has finished talking about Merle Haggard, is it time to
turn to Garth Brooks?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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From: Eugene Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] new topic
Did we finish with Les Paul?
==
Lets talk about the contradictory class locations of the members of Pink
Floyd when they
Two web sites launched in Granma
. One on Martí's ideas and the Moncada action and the other for the 14th Pan
American Games.
Can be found at:
http://www.granma.cubaweb.cu/marti-moncada
http://www.granma.cubaweb.cu/eventos/14panam
BY RAISA PAGES-Granma daily-
TWO new web sites, one dedicated to
I agree that transactions costs is much in
the spirit of 'exchange,' since it is based
on the latter's infeasibility, but who is
this NC and what does she want?
Williams says Marshall posited organization as
a fourth factor of production. Perelman was
around then so maybe he can elaborate.
Re:
Willie Nelson would be better. He endorsed Kucinich.
-Original Message-
From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Devine,
James
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 5:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: new topic
Now that pen-l has finished talking about Merle Haggard, is it time
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Les Schaffer wrote:
however, if you breathe in dust containing DU, the dust gets trapped
in your lungs. Then these same alpha particles, because of their
limited ability to travel __through__ living tissue, deposit their
effects in the worst places locally, i.e. lungs and
White House Projects $1.9 Trillion in New Debt Over Next Five Years
War Costs, Tax Cut, Slow Economy Are Key Factors
By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 15, 2003; 7:00 PM
The federal government will pile up $1.9 trillion in new debt over the
next five years and will
[NY Times]
July 15, 2003
Teaching Computers to Work in Unison
By STEVE LOHR
Computers do wondrous things, but computer science itself is largely a
discipline of step-by-step progress as a steady stream of innovations in
hardware, software and networking pile up. It is an engineering science
Max Sawicky writes:
Coincidently I'm reading Oliver Williamson at the moment,
whose existence and inspired lit debunks your assertion.
Transactions costs can make hierarchy (the firm) more economical
than market exchange.
I am not sure I understand the significance of this. If I want to
Tuesday, July 15, 2003
WTO: Japan Apple Import Rules Illegal
By NAOMI KOPPEL Associated Press Writer
GENEVA (AP) - Japanese health rules on imported U.S. apples that include a
545-yard buffer zone around orchards and regular inspections are illegal
under international trade law, the World Trade
first, i wasn't running through the house and i didn't knock over the
lamp, i don't know how it happened, really...
second, i'm really not an engels contra marx person but... yes, there's
a but...
fe judged 'utopian socialists' moral-political philosophy via his
dialectical understanding of
was it marx or lenin
(maybe both) who suggested barbarism as possibility...
Luxemburg coined the phrase socialism or barbarism.
Jim
Max Sawicky writes:
Coincidently I'm reading Oliver Williamson at the moment,
whose existence and inspired lit debunks your assertion.
Transactions costs can make hierarchy (the firm) more economical
than market exchange.
David Shemano writes:
I am not sure I understand the
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't think it suggests a critique of NC economics (except maybe for the
fact that it took so long for NC economics to accept the idea of
transactions costs).
The significance for NC economics is that it means that there are
Isn't what John Commons did a form of TCE?
Ian
---
yeah, but his transactions cost economics was more sophisticated than that of the
Chicago school (at least according to Bill Tabb, whose book I'm relying on here).
Jim
[funny how he doesn't say Economists rather than Technocrats]
Don't trust technocrats
Economic policies are not neutral, but ideological - and populist
resistance to them is a rational response
Joseph Stiglitz
Wednesday July 16, 2003
The Guardian
Developing countries are often advised (or
Jim Devine writes:
I don't think it suggests a critique of NC economics (except maybe for the fact
that it
took so long for NC economics to accept the idea of transactions costs).
The significance for NC economics is that it means that there are many places where
the pure market exchange
As far as I know, you are incorrect. Luxemburg coined the slogan, the idea
was expressed first by Engels.
J.
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] John Nichols on James Weinstein on
Alfred was a couple of years older than me. He wrote:
Marshall, 1920, pp. 138-9. Capital consists in great part of knowledge
and organisation. Knowledge is our most powerful engine of production; it
allows us to subdue Nature and force her to satisfy our wants.
Organization aids knowledge; it
Do lawyers really limit transactions costs. I thought that they maximized
billable hours.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 07:19:50PM -0700, David S. Shemano wrote:
I guess I am asking a much more naive question. Why is this an issue at all to
anybody? I mean, is there anybody who disputes that
Williamson et al call themeselves the new institutionalists to
distinguish themselves from Commons et al. Commons did say that the
transaction was the proper unit of analysis.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 07:06:46PM -0700, Devine, James wrote:
Isn't what John Commons did a form of TCE?
Ian
In 1848 Karl Marx and Frederick Engels argued in the Communist Manifesto
that the historic fight between the oppressor and oppressed ended 'either in
a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of
the contending classes'. Engels said that 'bourgeois society stands at
Michael wrote:
Do lawyers really limit transactions costs. I thought that
they maximized billable hours.
They _do_ limit transaction costs... if you count resultant contractual
law suits as part of transaction costs.
It's a kind of mafia protection racket... Let me vet your contract, so
that I
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From: Kenneth Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael wrote:
Do lawyers really limit transactions costs. I thought that
they maximized billable hours.
They _do_ limit transaction costs... if you count resultant contractual
law suits as part of transaction costs.
Penner's, who baptized the term mercantilism?
One entry found for mercantilism.
Main Entry: mer·can·til·ism
Pronunciation: -tE-li-zm, -tI-, -t-
Function: noun
Date: 1873
1 : the theory or practice of mercantile pursuits : COMMERCIALISM
2 : an economic system developing during the decay of
Smith coined the term mercantile system.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 08:57:03PM -0700, Eubulides wrote:
Penner's, who baptized the term mercantilism?
One entry found for mercantilism.
Main Entry: mer·can·til·ism
Pronunciation: -tE-li-zm, -tI-, -t-
Function: noun
Date: 1873
1 : the theory
Dave S. asks why transactions costs are so important.
transactions costs are only important if you're raised as the kind of NC economist
with an extremely naive view of markets (i.e., a Walrasian).
Jim
Right but the dictionary entry is saying 1873. I'm reading a review of
Heckscher's book [it's Tuesday and I don't have a tv :-)] and I'm asking
in an historiographical and nominalist sense...
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From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Michael Perelman wrote:
The lack of information available regarding 9-11 creates fertile ground
for conspiracy theories.
That is because a coverup is itself a conspiracy and is also
presumptive evidence that at least one prior conspiracy
is being covered up. Hence the liberal use of
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From: Shane Mage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The lack of information available regarding 9-11 creates fertile ground
for conspiracy theories.
That is because a coverup is itself a conspiracy and is also
presumptive evidence that at least one prior conspiracy
is being
Date sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:19:50 -0700
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From: David S. Shemano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [PEN-L] Back to slavery
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
This stuff isn't radical.
Fannie Mae Posts Loss Despite Business Boom
By Albert B. Crenshaw and David S. Hilzenrath
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, July 16, 2003; Page E01
Fannie Mae reported a big drop in second-quarter earnings due to changes
in the value of derivatives contracts, even though its business
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From: Paul Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But a more fundamental issue relates to the Coase theorum itself -
- that if there are NO Transaction Costs, the distribution of
property rights does not matter for the efficiency (pareto optimality)
of the market solution.
Here is the New York Times story
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/16/national/16TERR.html
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
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From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here is the New York Times story
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/16/national/16TERR.html
--
=
Now THAT's a conspiracy theory!
Ian
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