Re: question on finance capital

2003-08-14 Thread michael
Can you point me to the source, please. I remember you mentioning this before. Was it in LBO? Doug Henwood wrote: michael wrote: Business Week describes GM becoming almost entirely dependent on its finance unit. I recall seeing something similar about Ford. A few years ago, Ford was

Re: Isaac Deutscher's anecdote about the readership of Marx's Capital in the ...

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Perelman
I missed this the first time, but this Hitler stuffdoes not belong here. On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 11:24:44PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/6/03 5:06:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You seem to be trying out your little Marxist Hitler style again !

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Perelman
In my new book, I have a short section on Mises v. Neurath, where the dispute began, just as Jim said. Neurath was a plannist-marxist. On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 02:31:32PM -0700, Devine, James wrote: Mises main target was Marx and the Marxists. Maybe, but the Austrians also opposed the plannist

Re: Euro Tigers

2003-08-14 Thread Eugene Coyle
Wow, this is in sharp contrast to the front page feature story in today's WSJ which argued that Europe was on the fast track to expansion, along with the USA and Japan. Is the glass half-assed? Gene Coyle Eubulides wrote: New tigers bare their teeth As Europe's traditional economic success

Re: quote du jour

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
It's from the movie Pumping Iron, as quoted by MS SLATE. The film also shows Ah-nold smoking pot. -- Jim -Original Message- From: Max B. Sawicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 8/11/2003 5:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject:

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
JKS refers to the well worn territory of how markets are BAD actually, my understanding is that (except for Mike B), the main trend of the anti-market socialism side was not that markets are BAD. (Could you name someone who says that markets are evil?) Rather, it was that real-world markets

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
I don't want to get into defending Charlie Andrews' concepts (since I don't agree with them completely). But the idea involves not profit-max but minimization of costs, subject to constraints imposed by the democratically-run government and the system of enterprise governance that Charlie

Two new books of note

2003-08-14 Thread Louis Proyect
The American Axis: Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, and the Rise of the Third Reich By Max Wallace ISBN: 0312290225 Format: Hardcover, 416pp Pub. Date: July 2003 Publisher: St. Martin's Press Barnes Noble Sales Rank: 341,138 Kirkus Reviews Whisper an antiwar sentiment today, and you're branded a

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? Moral masochism? Self-denial, self-marginalization, and love of suffering?

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: I wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? Doug: Moral masochism? Self-denial, self-marginalization, and love of suffering? strength of character, an unwillingness to sacrifice principle to the demands of the moment? an ability to

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: ravi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: split in the humanitarian imperialist camp

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
you're right, but it's quite possible that the growing quagmire in Iraq (and Afghanistan) will make any further interventions very expensive. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: Carrol Cox

Re: Buffett joins team Terminator

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
I have believed from Day 1 that the White House is involved [in organizing the recall against California Gov. Davis], long-time Davis adviser Garry South said. No one can convince me that if Karl Rove did not want it to happen that he couldn't call off the dogs, he said, referring to Mr. Bush's

a thought

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
pen-l is pretty quiet today, so: If Cher were to marry U-2's Bono, together they'd make a complete person. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread ravi
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1017505,00.html Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve Julian Borger in Washington Wednesday August 13, 2003 The Guardian A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of

Re: Michael Yates on Orthodox Economics vs Marxism, and more

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Sounds really great... if only I could get my PC speakers to work again... J. - Original Message - From: Sasha Lilley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: [PEN-L] Michael Yates on Orthodox Economics vs Marxism, and more Michael

Kosovo/Iraq

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
A pattern of aggression Iraq was not the first illegal US-led attack on a sovereign state in recent times. The precedent was set in 1999 in Yugoslavia writes Kate Hudson Kate Hudson Thursday August 14, 2003 The Guardian The legality of the war against Iraq remains the focus of intense debate

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Scanlan
Devine, James wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? self-importance? determinism? is that a neurosis? --ravi When I told my psychiatrist I was having an identity crisis, he said, Just who in the hell do you think you are? Dan Scanlan

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? - we are not worthy, we are not worthy J.

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Jim wrote: Hmm... how would Lenin score? Any guy allowing himself to be photographed scratching a cat, with his legs crossed, is flexible on your F-scale. Ken. -- The awareness of the ambiguity of one's highest achievements (as well as one's deepest failures) is a definite symptom of maturity.

Unique tobacco co. sales channels -- part II

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Ottawa back in court against tobacco firms By KIM LUNMAN Globe and Mail Update Aug. 14, 2003 OTTAWA — The federal government resurrected its legal battle against Big Tobacco yesterday to recover $1.5-billion in taxes it claims it lost to a cigarette smuggling scam during the early 1990s. We

more California mayhem

2003-08-14 Thread Eubulides
California investigates US banks' tax shelters David Teather in New York Friday August 8, 2003 The Guardian Some of the biggest banks in the US have avoided paying hundreds of millions of dollars in state tax by shifting money into investment funds that did little more than provide shelters

Globalised shipping torpedoed by court

2003-08-14 Thread Grant Lee
smh.com.au - The Sydney Morning HeraldBy John Garnaut August 8, 2003 Paying foreign shipping crews foreign wages while working Australian waters, a cost-cutting scheme defended by the Howard Government, was sinking fast after a union victory yesterday. In a unanimous decision, the High Court

imf-usa 'consultation'

2003-08-14 Thread Eubulides
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2003/cr03244.pdf More at: http://www.imf.org/

Background of David Kay

2003-08-14 Thread k hanly
Interesting that when it was announced that David Kay a former UN weapons inspector was hired by the US to look for weapons in Iraq there is zilch about questionable parts of his background. For one thing he has absolutely no training as a scientist. Secondly, he admitted in effect making a

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Shit, Justin, if this keeps up, Condoleeza is going to throw her handbag at me. Point is, can we not find an axis of discussion (a mode of discussion) that would be amenable or palatable to Michael P. ? It's his list, I'm a guest, I don't want to piss him off, we need Michael P. But there may be

Re: Martix for price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
but there must be exceptions to that law or price discrimination wouldn't be so common. Perhaps the economist's definition of price discrimination differs from the lawyer's? the former would include senior discounts at movie theaters, coupons at grocery stores, etc., etc. Jim

Re: Martix for price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread andie nachgeborenen
--- andie nachgeborenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course there are ways around such laws. That's what they pay me all this money for! But they are not foolproof, and litigation is a cost (a very substantial cost -- they do pay us lots and los of money) ans also a risk. You might lose and

'clean' diamonds

2003-08-14 Thread Eubulides
[Federal Register: August 11, 2003 (Volume 68, Number 154)] [Notices] [Page 47626-47627] From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov] [DOCID:fr11au03-109] [[Page 47626]] ===

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Perelman
Oh, my God! I opened up that thread again On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 02:36:51PM -0700, andie nachgeborenen wrote: --- Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my new book, I have a short section on Mises v. Neurath, where the dispute began, just as Jim said. Neurath was a

Re: quote du jour

2003-08-14 Thread Mike Ballard
--- Jurriaan Bendien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. No one could ever meet death for his country without the hope of immortality. - Cicero (Marcus Tullius Cicero), Tusculanarum Disputationum (I, 15) ** I remember Grace Slick singing: War's

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 6:28 AM -0700 8/9/03, andie nachgeborenen wrote: That markets are BAD is axiomatic The Markets might be Good if they came without Pains of Bankruptcy and Unemployment. -- Yoshie * Bring Them Home Now! http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/ * Calendars of Events in Columbus:

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread andie nachgeborenen
S'all right, I haven't the time or energy for it either. jks --- Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, my God! I opened up that thread again On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 02:36:51PM -0700, andie nachgeborenen wrote: --- Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my new book, I

query: credit rationing

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
what's a good data series that can be used to measure the degree of bank (non-interest) credit-rationing in the US? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Martix for price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread michael
Anon. 2003. “Is Price Discrimination The Next Big Trend In Commerce?” San Jose Mercury News (7 August). “The Internet also gives sellers more information about consumers than ever before -- how many products they buy and when, perhaps even how many each can afford. Eventually, two people might

The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
The real disagreement between Keynes and Hayek was identified by Keynes... (as being about) the question of knowing where to draw the line between intervention and non-intervention. Keynes's criticism of Hayek was that he accepted that the logical extreme of no intervention at all was not

Re: Serfdom/China

2003-08-14 Thread Mike Ballard
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/9/03 1:22:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear PEN-Listers, I hate commodity production and I hate the marketplace of commodities. They have both outlived their usefulness. Controlled or planned commodity

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Mike Ballard
--- Martin Hart-Landsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short, based on my study of the Chinese experience, while there were some in the state that just supported growing marketization for their own gain, there were many in the party that saw the need to overcome problems of imbalance and

A Cuban revolutionary writes to Joanne Landy

2003-08-14 Thread Louis Proyect
(Eloquent response by a revolutionary Cuban who knows, from his very own personal experience what democracy Washington offers to Cubans. (Particularly pointed for those people on the political left who also oppose the Cuban Revolution and advocate the overthrow of the government of Cuba, by

EU research: many workplaces are lethal

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
UTRECHT - 06/08/03 One in five workers in Europe are exposed in the workplace to cancer-causing substances. This finding resulted from research of the European agency for safety and health in the workplace. Cancers, asthma, eczema and neurological problems are said to be only some of the risks

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Louis Proyect
Kenneth Campbell wrote: Lou -- I hesitate to write... but I must state... I know you are smart... But these ambush letters in which you ask a question and copy it to a list... is not right. Private is private. I assume that this was meant as a private communication, but I will answer it publicly

Andrew Johnson impeachment and the Nation Magazine

2003-08-14 Thread Louis Proyect
Have plowed through about 1000 pages of civil war history and plan to get through another 1000 before posting a reply to Charlie Post's article that I have been commenting on here occasionally. I have come to one conclusion already that I doubt any additional reading will budge me from. And that

Re: hot enough for you?

2003-08-14 Thread Mike Ballard
--- Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Global warming may be speeding up, fears scientist Alarm at 'unusual' heatwaves across northern hemisphere * Reminds me of an old Frank Zappa song quip: Do you like it? Do you hate it? There it is the way you made it? We produce Capital

Michael Yates on Talk of the Nation

2003-08-14 Thread Louis Proyect
http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=1388017 Unions and Politics Aug. 7, 2003 All nine democratic presidential hopefuls wooed the AFL-CIO convention this week, but union membership stagnates. Meanwhile, Verizon and its union workers struggle over job security and health care.

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
Mike B writes:China is richer these days because the wage-slaves are more productive than ever. they're richer (per capita) partly because richer and productivity are measured in terms of GDP, which ignores non-market costs and benefits. Jim -Original Message- From:

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Martin Hart-Landsberg wrote: So, my point is that this kind of strategy is not one that we should be endorsing as providing a real framework for general advancement of working class interests. Well yeah, but how? Suppose you were advising the S Korean government - what would you say? Or the

Re: Help California - Help. Place on the net.

2003-08-14 Thread Waistline2
Seeking help from anyone that knows anyone that could spring for room and board in California for at least 30 days and a maximum of 90 days for the up coming election. Travel is negotiable. The recall is significant and I want to help anyone do anything. Bags packed. Really know how to talk to

Re: query

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Scanlan
does anyone know how to get a complete list of the registered and announced candidates to replace Gray Davis as CA's guv? Look on the comics page.

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
And isn't time for us to ditch the epithet anti-globalization, to beat a dead horse already? absolutely! that's why I put that word in quotation marks when I posted the article by Fausto Bertinotti to pen-l. It's his mistake to use that term. Jim

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Martin Hart-Landsberg
Hi Grant, Well there is a lot surrounding the issue but I would say first of all that the left should be careful to endorse a strategy of growth that promotes exports in one country at the expense of worker well-being in others. So, rather than just see China as practicing some wonderful

Re: Green

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Jim writes: is there a color which represents democracy? I'd prefer democracy to anarchism (which precludes democracy). Democracy would be the color of the ruling cohort. Everyone is a democrat, even Hitler. Anarchism is okay... if you have the other two sides of the flag supporting it. Ken.

Re: Buffett joins team Terminator

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Perelman
I just read a story a few days ago (Buzzflash ???) detailing Rove's involvement. This time Rove's strategy is capable of uniting all the Repugs -- at least so far. On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:25:50AM -0700, Devine, James wrote: I have believed from Day 1 that the White House is involved [in

higher interest rates???

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Perelman
I just ran across this quote from Richard Clarida of the Treasury Dept. We tend to think of automatic stabilizers in textbook Keynesian terms, but a new automatic stabilizer for the United States is the interaction between long-term interest rates and mortgage refinancing. I wonder what he will

Re: question on finance capital

2003-08-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 6:24 PM -0700 8/13/03, michael wrote: Doug Henwood wrote: michael wrote: Business Week describes GM becoming almost entirely dependent on its finance unit. I recall seeing something similar about Ford. A few years ago, Ford was making money on its finance division and breaking even on

No napalm in Iraq just clean old Mark 77 firebombs

2003-08-14 Thread k hanly
Officials confirm dropping firebombs on Iraqi troops Results are 'remarkably similar' to using napalm By James W. Crawley UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER August 5, 2003 American jets killed Iraqi troops with firebombs - similar to the controversial napalm used in the Vietnam War - in March and

Michael Yates on Orthodox Economics vs Marxism, and more

2003-08-14 Thread Sasha Lilley
Michael Yates was interviewed today on our program Living Room -- the archived audio can be found at www.livingroomradio.org -- on why Marxism has greater explanatory power than neoclassical economics (see below). And although he was on NPR's Talk of the Nation last week, we had booked him long

Re: Background of David Kay

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Perelman
It might depend on your definition of finds. I bet that he finds something awful once the election starts to heat up. On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:21:08PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he verifiably finds or meaningfully helps find whatever it is that also verifiably is confirmed to be

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Lou -- I hesitate to write... but I must state... I know you are smart... But these ambush letters in which you ask a question and copy it to a list... is not right. Private is private. Ken. -- Literature is the art of writing something that will be read twice; journalism what will be read

Re: What is to be done in Argentina

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
my feeling is that for a book to have a big impact, it has to fall on a fertile field. That is, the societal situation -- including the balance of class forces -- has to be such that people are looking for the kinds of ideas that the book presents. Jim Devine [EMAIL

An economic indicator

2003-08-14 Thread Eugene Coyle
When I pick up my WSJ from the lawn in the morning I find it very thin. Those big biznesses aint spending on print advertising. Gene Coyle

contradictions of EU Federalism

2003-08-14 Thread Eubulides
Economic dispatch Staying afloat on state life raft The French government's aid to a beleaguered engineering company has Brussels concerned, says David Gow Monday August 11, 2003 The Guardian Alstom, the French engineering group desperately trying to stay afloat, highlights the dilemma facing

weapons inspector's triumph

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Perelman
The Sacramento Bee reports that our friend, David Kay, the weapons inspector has already discovered that Saddam had ordered a weapons attack on the US soldiers, but his orders were not carried out. Boy that's quick. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA

Re: Drug user for California governor?

2003-08-14 Thread Max B. Sawicky
The guy in the race to get behind is Jack Grisham, formerly with the Dead Kennedys. Drugs, feh. Doesn't everybody in California do drugs? max Kill the Poor (DKs) Efficiency and progress is ours once more Now that we have the Neutron bomb It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done Away

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
JKS writesI concede it, marketsa re BAD, or maybe good in theory but BAD in practice, whatever. Democracy will make everything great. Efficiency is a bourgeois notion. I never said that anything was BAD. In fact, that was the point of what I said, i.e., that I never said that markets were bad.

risk sharing, supply chains

2003-08-14 Thread Eubulides
Monday, August 11, 2003 Sharing the risk for 7E7 Partners and suppliers expected to bear more costs for Boeing By JAMES WALLACE SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER AEROSPACE REPORTER Not willing to bet the company on the development of its next all-new jetliner as it has done with past planes such as

Re: green pensions?

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
from BusinessWeek, Au. 18-25, 2003: The Greening of Pension Plans Cash-strapped U.S. steel (X ) may have hit on a solution for companies scrounging for the dough to pump up pension funds that were recently flattened by the stock market's slide. Just sign over some forests -- or other valuable

Correction to correction

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Jeez, I'm losing it. I wrote: See for instance her essay Stagnation and Progress of Marxism (1903), first published in 1927 by David Riazanov, the original director of the Marx-Engels Institute founded in 1920 in Moscow. Should be: See for instance her essay Stagnation and Progress of Marxism

Re: Green

2003-08-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 9:11 AM -0400 8/12/03, Kenneth Campbell wrote: the next unifying revolutionary force will be green, not red. I'd prefer Red, Black, and Green together (the colors of revolutionary socialism, anarchism, and environmentalism), also the colors of the pan-African Black Liberation Flag. At 9:11 AM

pensions, again

2003-08-14 Thread Eubulides
Deficit Strains Pension Agency Guaranteed Benefits in No Danger Now, but Long-Term Worry Grows By Albert B. Crenshaw Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, August 8, 2003; Page E01 Ten years ago, the government agency that insures traditional corporate pension plans racked up record deficits.

a turn in TV news coverage

2003-08-14 Thread Louis Proyect
On ABC world news tonight, the lead story was about how the arms dealer in the news yesterday was nothing of the sort. He was a failing textile merchant who was convinced by US agents to buy missiles that didn't exist and sell them to customers that did not exist. Reporter Brian Ross said that if

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: I'd say the Empire thesis has some life in it yet. in 25 words or less, how would you summarize the Empire thesis? What's relevant here is that imperial power is far more dispersed and polycentric than the old-fashioned Washington/Hollywood/Wall Street rules the world

WTO farm deal, again

2003-08-14 Thread Eubulides
Farm deal puts WTO talks at risk Washington-Brussels pact angers developing world by backtracking on subsidies Charlotte Denny and Andrew Osborn in Brussels Thursday August 14, 2003 The Guardian A battle between the west and the developing world at next month's World Trade Organisation meeting

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Geez, Jim... This should be some kind of Lefty U. screening test. Ken. -- The advantage of a bad memory is that one enjoys several times the same good things for the first time. -- Friedrich Nietzsche Devine, James wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists

Degrees of Separation Are Likely More Than 6, Especially in E-Mail Age

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
I always like to see the words urban myth used when talking about academics. So much of accepted stuff is legendary. The connectedness of the world via the Net was always lauded in academia and SEC prospective alike. While I think Stanley Milgram was brilliant, things ain't really that different

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Perelman
No. It was not my intention to open a thread. On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 02:56:20AM +0200, Jurriaan Bendien wrote: Michael, if you want to open another thread, go ahead... my own philosophy is that the whole problem or art is how one can thread a thread into another thread that ties a solid knot

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Devine, James wrote: I'd say the Empire thesis has some life in it yet. in 25 words or less, how would you summarize the Empire thesis? What's relevant here is that imperial power is far more dispersed and polycentric than the old-fashioned Washington/Hollywood/Wall

Re: US war against Iraq post-mortem

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
General Winter won three in Russia. But I wonder if all three were not really won by Russian feudalism. Feudalist culture (declining or not) had the singular ability to absorb massive blows to the communications infrastructure without collapsing. (That's why they had fiefdoms... and created

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
My understanding is that the reason why Michael Perelman opposes pen-l discussions of market socialism is (1) we've had them before, mostly killing the subject, and (2) they degenerated into a tone similar to the one below. That said, I see nothing wrong with a pen-l discussion of market

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] The Road to Serfdom Actually, there are three things. Humor is also forbidden. === There is no 3rd thing! [Monty Python]

Re: Kautsky and imperialism

2003-08-14 Thread Waistline2
Karl Kautsky : Imperialism and the War Source: International Socialist Review, November 1914 Translated: William E. Bohn Transcribed: for marxists.org, March, 2002 If imperialism were necessary to the continued existence of the capitalist method of production-these arguments against it would make

Re: Isaac Deutscher's anecdote about the readership of Marx's Capital in the ...

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Michael Perelman wrote: I missed this the first time, but this Hitler stuffdoes not belong here. I agree with you entirely. Melvin P., whoever that is, typically imputes to me statements and opinions which I do not hold, and then he tells me to shut up or prove something I am not even concerned

Re: Green

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
I wrote: But in this particular battle of definitions, I agree with all the Yoshies out there. They call anarchism what Mr. Marx would call democracy. I think it's useful to avoid mushing concepts together that way. I don't see that as mushing. I see it as evolving language. But we can call

Re: Martix for price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Perelman
Right. What about airline tickets? There are ways around such laws. On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 02:58:50PM -0700, andie nachgeborenen wrote: Price discrimination is an antitrust violation -- the statute is the Robinson-Patman Act -- that can expose the defendant to treble damages in a civil

Family shot dead by panicking US troops

2003-08-14 Thread Alejandro Valle Baeza
Family shot dead by panicking US troops Firing blindly during a power cut, soldiers kill a father and three children in their car The Independent, By Justin Huggler in Baghdad 10 August 2003 The abd al-Kerim family didn't have a chance. American soldiers opened fire on their car with no warning

quotation du jour

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
He's a nice fellow. You can't find a better fraternity brother. -- Sen. Ernest Hollings, about Pres. Bush-2. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: Jurriaan Bendien [EMAIL PROTECTED] The real disagreement between Keynes and Hayek was identified by Keynes... (as being about) the question of knowing where to draw the line between intervention and non-intervention. Keynes's criticism of Hayek was that he

Forwarded from Nestor Gorojovsky (Argentina update)

2003-08-14 Thread Louis Proyect
INTRODUCTION I owe the list a long posting on Argentinean politics. Rodríguez Saá, the Peronist candidate my own group supported critically during the campaign, seems to have been shattered by electoral defeat, and my silence may be understood as an indication that I have been shattered with

Microsoft loses one

2003-08-14 Thread Eubulides
[ LA Times] Microsoft Loses UC Patent Case A jury sets damages of $520.6 million, the largest award ever against the company. By Joseph Menn Times Staff Writer August 12, 2003 A federal jury found Monday that Microsoft Corp.'s Web browser infringed a University of California patent and directed

Re: question on finance capital

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Henwood
I got it from reading Ford's financial statements, maybe 2-3-4 years ago. I think it came out in an exchange on PEN-L with Patrick Bond. Doug michael wrote: Can you point me to the source, please. I remember you mentioning this before. Was it in LBO? Doug Henwood wrote: michael wrote:

AG and the bond market

2003-08-14 Thread Eubulides
All talk and no action - how the US bond market rodeo broke away from the Fed Charlotte Denny Monday August 11, 2003 The Guardian Faced with the harsh reality of cutting the deficit to please the markets, one aide in the Clinton White House is reported to have said that if he could be reborn,

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread joanna bujes
Michael Perelman wrote: Actually, there are three things. Humor is also forbidden. I didn't know that. I suspected it was more a case of self-censorship :) Joanna

Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Louis Proyect
I am commenting on selected passages from an article that can be read in its entirety at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1016107,00.html Reformist social democracy is no longer on the agenda The anti-globalisation movement is the basis of a left alternative Fausto Bertinotti The

Re: Green

2003-08-14 Thread Mike Ballard
--- Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the one thing that all anarchists seem to agree with is that centralized government (the state) should be abolished -- as soon as possible. The State is the governmental expression of class rule. I've never met anyone--anarchists included--who argued

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
I'd say the Empire thesis has some life in it yet. in 25 words or less, how would you summarize the Empire thesis? Jim

US, Eu cut farm deal

2003-08-14 Thread Eubulides
EU and US seal farm trade deal Mark Tran Wednesday August 13, 2003 The Guardian The EU and the US today agreed on a joint plan for agricultural trade reform designed to boost the chances of success at global trade talks next month. The plan, to be put to the full World Trade Organisation (WTO)

Re: The Road to Serfdom

2003-08-14 Thread Carrol Cox
I don't believe I've engaged in this argument over market socialism since the days of the first Spoons marxism list -- and I'm not going to now. But I have a sort of external observation. However socialism arrives, if it ever does, not much will change overnight. So early socialism will be,

Re: how to lead the revolution

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: I have a sense that we tend to discuss radical economic strategy for other countries -- and probably for our own -- with a tone that sounds like books that tell people how to raise children or win the affection of others. Aren't radical economists supposed to have the

Re: Green

2003-08-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
is there a color which represents democracy? I'd prefer democracy to anarchism (which precludes democracy). Jim Anarchy, to me, means democracy, i.e., collective self-government, the very ideal to which Lenin spoke in _The State and Revolution. Not all those who call themselves anarchists agree

Isaac Deutscher's anecdote about the readership of Marx's Capital in the glory days of Classical marxism

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
'Das Kapital' sei eine zu harte Nuss, meinte Ignacy Daszynski, einer der bekanntesten sozialistischen 'Volkstribune' um die Jahrhundertwende, er habe es deshalb nicht gelesen. Aber Karl Kautsky habe es gelesen und vom ersten Band eine populäre Zusammenfassung geschrieben. Diese habe er zwar

immunity for oil companies in Iraq

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
From MS SLATE's on-line summary of major US newspapers today: The LA [TIMES] goes inside with word of concerns over an executive order signed by President Bush two months ago that may give U.S. oil companies blanket immunity from lawsuits and criminal prosecution over the sale of Iraqi oil. As

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