Re: Reductionism/Immortality

2003-08-25 Thread Mike Ballard
--- Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
 
  Dearest Joanna,
 
  I honestly and firmly believe that what you say
 here is bunk. But I will do
  you the honour of investigating it some more.
 After all, one could be wrong,
  and language has its limitations, does it not ?

 I'm not sure what you are talking about -- and in
 particular, the hotel
 allegory is obscure.

 But Homer would have agreed with Joanna. The lives
 of the gods
 (immortals) are meaningless, because it is their
 mortality that gives
 meaning to human lives. We are our histories, after
 all, and eternity
 dissolves history.

 And then there is the story of the Sybil.

 Carrol
*

As much as I'm enjoying THE ILIAD right now, I'd have
to part company with Homer on this issue.  To me, it
seems that death is meaningless and that life and how
we live it is the place where meaning is located.  The
length of our lives has no meaning in itself.  As for
the how: to lead a meaningful life, one would be
bringing love, solidarity, and continually pushing the
borders of the realm of necessity into the
netherworld, while discovering, engaging, creating and
expanding the realm of freedom.

For the works!

Mike B)




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Re: Critical support to King George?

2003-08-25 Thread andie nachgeborenen
--- Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (In John Oakes's highly informative The Ruling
 Race: a history of American
 Slaveholders,  I just discovered that the Crown
 Governor General of
 Virginia offered freedom to any slave or indentured
 servant willing to
 fight for the counter-revolution. But wait, isn't
 emancipation supposed to
 be a goal of a bourgeois democratic revolution? Hard
 to keep track of these
 things.)


The Brits also offered to free slaves who fought with
them in the War of 1812. There  is a line in full
version of the Star Spangled Banner referring to the
hireling and the slave, that is, the Hessian
mercenaries and the Brit-emancipated blacks, as
enemies of the Americans.

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Re: Critical support to King George?

2003-08-25 Thread Carrol Cox
andie nachgeborenen wrote:

 The Brits also offered to free slaves who fought with
 them in the War of 1812. There  is a line in full
 version of the Star Spangled Banner referring to the
 hireling and the slave, that is, the Hessian
 mercenaries and the Brit-emancipated blacks, as
 enemies of the Americans.


I believe the tactic of freeing slaves of the enemy has been around as
long as there have been slaves and warfare. It never had anything to do
with ideology.

Carrol

 jks


Re: frontiers of one-upmanship

2003-08-25 Thread Michael Pollak
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 andie nachgeborenen wrote:

 Yeah, I thought this was great. We put in in power, then when they get
 caught, we take what they stole. Don't the Nicaraguans deserve the
 proceeds of Aleman's robberies?

To be fair, according to the article, that's who will get them:

 In cases likes Nicaragua, officials said they planned to return any
 money seized to the country from which they believe it was taken.

Michael


how to take over universities

2003-08-25 Thread Eubulides
Microsoft's Big Role on Campus
Donations Fund Research, Build Long-Term Connections

By Ariana Eunjung Cha
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 25, 2003; Page A01


REDMOND, Wash. -- Bearing gifts of cash, software and computers worth $25
million, Microsoft Corp. came to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology
in 1999, saying it wanted to jointly develop educational technologies.
Some scholars expressed more suspicion than gratitude.

At a celebration to kick off the collaboration, students and faculty
members heckled the speakers, insisting the computer company's software
wasn't worthy of use or study at MIT. Some took boxes of Microsoft's
Office 2000 software and stomped on them. An editorial in the school
newspaper wondered: Had the school sold itself out to become the
Microsoft Institute of Technology?

Today, four years into the five-year partnership, the protests are over
and Microsoft technology is firmly entrenched at MIT.

Aeronautical design classes now use Microsoft's Flight Simulator computer
program. Electrical engineering and computer science professors are
putting their courses online using Microsoft's PowerPoint presentation
software. The university's educational computer network is being
overhauled to use Microsoft's .Net architecture. Video games, hardly an
MIT priority but a strong commercial interest of Microsoft's, have
suddenly become a subject of scholarly inquiry.

Similar transformations are taking place at university campuses across the
nation, escalating the debate over corporate influence on academia. Such
concerns about donations have been raised in fields of study as diverse as
auto engineering and medicine, but Microsoft's donations are a special
case. Because students are likely to keep using the technology after
graduation, they help to maintain Microsoft's software industry dominance.

Universities have become much more open to corporate donations even when
they have strings attached, and they are less likely today to assess the
long-term impact of these donations on academic freedom, said Lawrence C.
Soley, a professor at Marquette University and author of Leasing the
Ivory Tower: The Corporate Takeover of Academia.

Donations to 1,000 Schools


Microsoft has lavished $500 million over the past five years on research
and teaching projects at 1,000 schools, funding efforts by 6,000 academics
in computer science, electrical engineering, linguistics, biology,
mathematics, graphic arts, music and other fields. Microsoft partners are
among computer science's biggest luminaries: A. Richard Newton, dean of
the engineering school at the University of California at Berkeley; Eugene
H. Spafford, who runs Purdue University's influential cybersecurity
institute; and Gail E. Kaiser, a Columbia University researcher who is one
of the nation's most prominent software engineering experts and one of the
few tenured female professors in the field.

The software giant's donations have allowed universities to follow through
on projects they could not have otherwise dreamed of, given their limited
research budgets. The collaborations have not only led to new products on
store shelves but work dominating academic journals focused on high-tech
innovation.

The corporation, however, has also directly or indirectly influenced
curriculums and research priorities, drawing an outcry from critics who
say the donations are turning computer science departments into vocational
schools where mastery of proprietary computer programs are valued over the
study of theory.

Hal Abelson, a computer science professor who co-directs the MIT-Microsoft
partnership, said the donations have allowed MIT to make class readings
and other material freely available on the Web, benefiting not only the
school community but the world at large.

That is not distorting the research agenda, but doing things we otherwise
might not have, he said.

Microsoft, for its part, acknowledges that its donations are about
business development as well as philanthropy, but that it is a win-win
situation for everyone.

The success of the field comes from innovations through university
environment, said Rick Rashid, Microsoft's senior vice president for
research. Microsoft prospers when universities prosper.

Still, others lament that even if everyone has the best of intentions, the
end result portends a future when innovation in the field of computers
will be greatly influenced, if not controlled, by a single company.

[I worry] that in the face of budget shortfalls, universities will
sacrifice their research autonomy, offering up curriculum and academic
integrity to the highest bidder, said Mark Schaan, a Rhodes scholar at
Oxford University who was part of a group of students at the University of
Waterloo, the Canadian equivalent of MIT, who last year urged
administrators to turn down Microsoft's donations.

Project 42 Sets the Tone


Microsoft first began to reach out to universities in a serious way in the
mid-1990s with 

Re: Critical support to King George?

2003-08-25 Thread Mike Ballard
--- Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 andie nachgeborenen wrote:
 
  The Brits also offered to free slaves who fought
 with
  them in the War of 1812. There  is a line in full
  version of the Star Spangled Banner referring to
 the
  hireling and the slave, that is, the Hessian
  mercenaries and the Brit-emancipated blacks, as
  enemies of the Americans.
 

 I believe the tactic of freeing slaves of the enemy
 has been around as
 long as there have been slaves and warfare. It never
 had anything to do
 with ideology.

 Carrol

  jks
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That refers to Lincoln too?

Mike B)

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Re: Critical support to King George?

2003-08-25 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
When the people rise in masses in behalf of the Union and the liberties of
their country, truly may it be said, 'The gates of hell shall not prevail
against them.'

--Abraham Lincoln, from the February 11, 1861 Reply to Governor Morton


Re: Critical support to King George? (from PEN-L)

2003-08-25 Thread Louis Proyect
I believe the tactic of freeing slaves of the enemy
has been around as
long as there have been slaves and warfare. It never
had anything to do
with ideology.
Carrol
That refers to Lincoln too?

Mike B)
Historian James McPherson has a book on Antietam that argues that the
Emancipation Proclamation was announced after Union losses forced
Lincoln to adopt a make-or-break effort that involved big political
risks. McPherson is an interesting figure. He represents that wing of
American scholarship that puts the most revolutionary spin on the
Northern leadership, despite the evidence here of Lincoln's waffling.
This has endeared him to the WSWS website, a Healyite sectarian outfit
that does have excellent analysis of movies and other topics that are
not compromised by their dogmatism. You can read interviews with him at:
http://www.wsws.org/sections/category/history/h-mcpher.shtml

Here's a quote from Salon.com review of his Antietam book:

What made Antietam different from other engagements, according to
McPherson, was that it decided the fate of the country in at least two
lasting respects. Prior to the battle, Lincoln performed an excruciating
tightrope act, suspended between a northern political mosaic that
exerted crosscutting pressures from various quarters for and against
emancipation as a Union war policy and a need to keep border slave
states and Northern Democrats in his war coalition. Lincoln himself
stated: If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong, but he knew the
limits of both his constitutional power and his political base too well
to jeopardize the war effort by being aggressive on freeing the slaves.
Five days after Antietam, the Emancipation Proclamation was issued.
He had tried half-measures before then, however; as Union generals,
without Lincoln's official approval, began to confiscate slaves as war
contraband, Lincoln would urge the border-state representatives to
accept government compensation -- literally, payment for their former
property - in return for a gradual emancipation of their slaves. It
didn't work -- but Lincoln's efforts prompted some great rhetoric from
the master orator [Gradual emancipation] would come gently as the dews
of heaven, not rending or wrecking anything. Will you not embrace it?
You can not, if you would, be blind to the signs of the times.
full: http://www.salon.com/books/review/2002/09/17/mcpherson/index1.html

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Re: frontiers of one-upmanship

2003-08-25 Thread andie nachgeborenen
That's good, at least. jks

--- Michael Pollak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 andie nachgeborenen wrote:

  Yeah, I thought this was great. We put in in
 power, then when they get
  caught, we take what they stole. Don't the
 Nicaraguans deserve the
  proceeds of Aleman's robberies?

 To be fair, according to the article, that's who
 will get them:

  In cases likes Nicaragua, officials said they
 planned to return any
  money seized to the country from which they
 believe it was taken.

 Michael

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Re: American History and Slavery-1

2003-08-25 Thread Waistline2
The African American as a people and the Black Belt of the South - as a colonial nation, are not the same thing, but rather distinct but interconnected historically evolved entities. The American nation was basically Southern at its inception. Its core area was Maryland, Delaware, Virginia, North and South Carolina and Georgia. This is of course the historical reason why the South controlled the country in the first place. America was Southern. 

The New England states would develop later as shipping and manufacturing appendages of the slave plantation system. By the late 1840s, the political leaders of the South understood that the North was experiencing massive population growth and industrial expansion. They understood that this shift from manufacture to industry was creating a new Nation in the North, being formed on the basis of European immigration. The South began preparations for the irrepressible conflict.

Nations are not built or based on color, but evolve as the historical _expression_ of a community of people, culture, economics and land. The evolving culture of the African American had already made the South Southern, as it existed and evolved in harmony and conflict with the emerging nation in the North. Being Southern was always clearly distinct from the evolving nation in the North. One national formation was evolving on the basis of the economic of slavery and the newly arising nation in the North was evolving on the basis of the transition from manufacture to industry and European immigration. 

Slavery and the Economic impulse leading to the Civil War

Karl Marx and Frederick Engels wrote exhaustively on the economic formation called the plantation system, the form of manual labor represented by the slave, why this was a value producing system, the political motion leading to the Civil War and how New World slavery was the powerful pistons in the engine of transformation from landed property relations - feudalism in the economic essence, to the industrial value producing system founded on the basis of bourgeois property.   

The difference between patriarchal slavery - labor as primarily the production of use-values or for direct personal consumption, and slavery as it existed and operated on the basis of the bourgeois property relations, is in the long run the reason why the slaves in the deep South became the pivot of development towards nationhood and a national movement. 

Plantation slavery became a value producing system with all its social consequences and not an economic structure where use-value production predominated. Not only does Marx call the planter class "bourgeois," but also the property relations of this value producing system is a reproduction of money/capital pure and simple. The form of an economic system should not be confused with its essence - the form of energy expended and how the product of labor is distributed, and it is true that slavery in the American South resembled feudal social structures in the sense that the slave occupied a social position whose appearance resembled the most down trodden serf. 

Throughout history labor appears in various form with an underlying motive power - energy grid, which distinguish and define junctures in the development of the productive forces. These general forms: manual, mechanical (or industrial), and electronic are the foundation of the "forms" of history as it passes from one stage of the development of the productive forces to the next. How the products of labor are distributed is a good  - fundamental, indicator of the property relations. The property relations cannot be delineated on the basis of the form of labor, but rather on how it is distributed or exchanged. 

The form, in which labor appeared - slavery or free labor, and its motive power - manual labor, steam driven manufacture, petroleum based industrial production has to be ascertained. Without this conception the contradiction internal to any social relations of production and why the contradiction is replaced by antagonism cannot be posed, much less understood. That is to say, in its economic essence and logic, plantation slavery in America was a value producing system - a bourgeois property relation. 

A value producing system means the products of labor assumed a commodity form. The products of slave labor  - tobacco, sugar and cotton, were distributed or produced exclusively for their exchange-value and underwent conversion into money/capital in the world market of that time. Plantation slavery was not a form of economic feudalism or the historical period of time called the primitive accumulation of capital. In Capital Marx makes clear what is meant by the primitive accumulation of capital. He also makes clear the passing of patriarchal slavery into latifundia or slavery on the basis of bourgeois property. The slave form of the labor is why capitalist slavery is untenable.  

Marx gives the most detailed and exacting description of the fundamental 

political ecology

2003-08-25 Thread Eubulides
Ecologists fear disaster as oil rush takes grip in quake zone

Russian island to be turned into Japan's energy hub in project worth
billions to Shell

Nick Paton Walsh in Nogliki, Sakhalin
Monday August 25, 2003
The Guardian

It will be the largest energy project in the world, but ecologists fear
that a huge pipeline and three drilling platforms on and around the
Russian island of Sakhalin, which borders Japan, may spell environmental
disaster. The project is likely to bring a company led by British and
Dutch giant Shell hundreds of billions of dollars and the Kremlin $49bn
(£31bn).

Moscow's politicians and oil executives are already counting down to the
project's completion in 2007. But ecologists are criticising the foolish
decision to build the pipeline underground through an active seismic fault
in an area considered by many a rare marine reserve.

US ecologists Pacific Environment say the platforms, one of which is
already working a few miles offshore from the crumbling northern town of
Nogliki, have upset fish and whale breeding, and could spell extinction
for the West Pacific grey whale.

Ecologists also claim local laws have been changed so that the project
owners, Sakhalin Energy International Consortium, the company registered
in Bermuda by Shell and their Japanese partners for the scheme, can more
easily drill for oil - and also dump building waste from constructing a
new tanker port - in previously protected areas off the island's shore.
The company deny any such changes were made, saying the areas were never
classified as protected in the first place.

The campaign group Sakhalin Ecological Watch also fears the pipeline will
not withstand the serious earthquakes that regularly hit Sakhalin. It is
worried that leaks will destroy river and forest wildlife, and the 1,103
crossings the pipeline makes across the island's river and stream network
will radically affect salmon breeding grounds.

Sakhalin Energy accepts the sensors on the pipeline can only measure the
loss of 1% of the pipeline's total output, meaning that up to 1,800
barrels of oil a day could leak without being noticed. But it adds that
the pipeline was designed to withstand most tremors, often goes under the
rivers, and other sensors would see the changes caused in and around the
pipeline by such a leak. We are in business to make money, said a
spokesman, and a 1,800-barrel-a-day leak would be a big loss. We would
notice it.

Sakhalin Energy's decision to invest $10bn in the project marked the
single biggest foreign investment in Russian history, and was hailed as a
sign that foreign companies had lost their fear of the so-called Red
Mafia's grip on business, and that they finally felt comfortable putting
money into Vladimir Putin's Russia.

While the Kremlin insists the money will bring jobs to poverty-stricken
Sakhalin, many think the 6% royalty paid by Sakhalin Energy to Moscow on
all revenues also influenced Moscow's decision.

Sakhalin Energy is not alone: US giant Exxon is already drilling offshore,
and BP is exploring the coastline for reserves. Foreign investment in the
island may eventually exceed $30bn.

The projects have thrived on the support of the local administration and
Moscow, and will effectively turn Sakhalin into the energy hub for Japan -
if not the entire region - over the next decade.

But tragedy struck yesterday when the death of the island's governor, Igor
Farkhutdinov, was announced, after the remains of his crashed helicopter
were found on the neighbouring island of Kamchatka. Elections will follow,
perhaps focusing public opinion on the governor's pet project.

In Nogliki, the remote northern settlement nearest to Sakhalin Energy's
planned second drilling platform, public opinion is hardening over how
they have yet to reap real benefits from the multi-billion dollar energy
complex springing up around them. While Sakhalin Energy is building an
airport and improving some roads in Nogliki, locals say their movements
have been restricted.

The local fishermen are particularly angry. Most are from a local tribe
known as the Nivkhi, a third of the remaining 3,000 of whom are in
Nogliki. They say they have been banned from their lifeblood - fishing -
because the local government does not want the platform disturbed by
fishing boats. The diet of the Nivkhi depends upon fish, without which,
they say, they fall ill and their teeth rot. The Nivkhi plan a protest
today during which they say they will fish without permission.

Pacific Environment claims the fishing ban constitutes a form of
government-sanctioned discrimination against the Nivkhi, a breach of the
universal declaration of human rights.

When the oil and gas has been extracted and briefly purified at a nearby
plant, it will travel 500 miles south in a pipeline to the southern bay of
Korsakov. Bulldozers are already ripping up the picturesque beaches of the
bay, and have permission to start building a port from September 5, from
where tankers will ship 

US Ambassador Schneider on data privacy

2003-08-25 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
The most important technological development of the late 20th century is
arguably the advance in Information Technology. The world is increasingly
information-rich and information dependent. The unfettered ability to tap
into those flows of information already is critical to many businesses and
organizations. In the near future, that information dependency will be
universal. Electronic Commerce appears to be a key component of our common
destiny. This is why my government is deeply concerned about the issue of
data privacy.

- Remarks by Ambassador Cynthia P. Schneider at The Hague and Amsterdam
American Business Clubs, as prepared
The Hague, Holiday Inn Crown Plaza, January 26, 2000

Source: http://www.usemb.nl/012600.htm


Re: Critical support to King George?

2003-08-25 Thread Devine, James
I doubt that in the real world there's ever a one-to-one correspondence between class 
interests -- including the goals of the bourgeois democratic revolution -- and the 
interests of any given individual in power or struggling for power. Because of the 
relative autonomy of the state and ideology, real-world politics in effect reflects 
the pluralistic competition of a wide variety of interest groups each of which is 
pushing complex goals (class goals, those of patriarchy, those of racial supremacy, 
personal advancement, religion, etc.) Thus, royalist forces might free slaves (which 
might be seen as going against their royalist goals) if it turns out to serve tactical 
or strategic advantage. In another kind of case, Lincoln freed the slaves -- in areas 
he didn't actually control -- as a strategic maneuver, but one that fit with the 
growing power of the abolitionists and the punish-the-South crowd (the later radical 
Republicans). It's likely that he wouldn't have freed the slaves if the political 
forces against it had been really strong. Again, the Emancipation Proclamation -- and 
the specificities of its implementation -- represent the combination of different 
political forces. 

Of course, the theory of political pluralism is woefully incomplete. The competition 
takes place within the context of what Althusserians call the social formation (a 
bunch of different and interacting societal modes of production). With the growing 
domination of industrial capitalism (based on the proletarianization of the direct 
producers), the balance of political power was shifting away from merchant capital 
(which often profited directly from slavery) to industrial capitalists (who didn't). 
Even so, the story of the US Civil War was more than some simple struggle within the 
ruling classes. 

Old-fashioned Marxist histories (such as Hacker's TRIUMPH OF AMERICAN CAPITALISM, even 
though he repudiates Marxism in the preface) didn't apply a theory where there's a 
rising class that as a unified force embraces the goals of the bourgeois democratic 
revolution and then these goals were imposed -- as if capitalist history were a 
conscious product of the capitalist class. Rather, the various conflicts that produced 
the Civil War and similar events had the unplanned -- and often unwanted -- objective 
effect of promoting the development of industrial capitalism. And this was not a 
predetermined process: it's possible the South could have won (though, economically, 
it would have lost in the long run, IMHO). 

The only case in Marx where there's a class that consciously embraces its class 
interest and remakes the world in its image is the proletarian revolution, where the 
class-in-itself becomes a class-for-itself. Of course, this hasn't happened in 
practice yet. 


Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




 -Original Message-
 From: andie nachgeborenen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 7:15 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Critical support to King George?
 
 
 --- Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  (In John Oakes's highly informative The Ruling
  Race: a history of American
  Slaveholders,  I just discovered that the Crown
  Governor General of
  Virginia offered freedom to any slave or indentured
  servant willing to
  fight for the counter-revolution. But wait, isn't
  emancipation supposed to
  be a goal of a bourgeois democratic revolution? Hard
  to keep track of these
  things.)
 
 
 The Brits also offered to free slaves who fought with
 them in the War of 1812. There  is a line in full
 version of the Star Spangled Banner referring to the
 hireling and the slave, that is, the Hessian
 mercenaries and the Brit-emancipated blacks, as
 enemies of the Americans.
 
 jks
 
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Re: Getting there (was: Critical support to King George?)

2003-08-25 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
 The only case in Marx where there's a class that consciously embraces its
class interest and remakes the world in its image is the proletarian
revolution, where the class-in-itself becomes a class-for-itself. Of course,
this hasn't happened in practice yet.

In Marx's own time, the working class comprised perhaps two-fifths of the
population, and had a clear cultural and historical identity. But, in the
developed capitalist countries, the working class now comprises four-fifths
of the population, and no longer has the same clear cultural and historical
identity, not withstanding sentimental rhetoric.

Of course, you can talk about the working class as an objective
social-structural fact (all those people socio-economically forced to work
for a living, lacking other assets or means of life, plus direct dependents
on their personal income, that would make working as such a voluntary
choice). But the point is, that this is not a meaningful common factor which
can inspire political unity, except in special conjunctures, and even in
those conjunctures, a mode of political organisation is assumed which can
assert that common factor. Already in the Poverty of Philosophy, Marx
remarks that really a social class which isn't aware of its common interests
is not really a class at all, but just a mass.

Faced with this fact, what is it that Marxists actually do ? They tend to do
four things: they seek to elaborate a socio-political tradition anyhow, and
propagate this; they seek to analyse the social and economic structure; they
seek to build political organisations based on Marxist ideology; they seek
to intervene in cultural themes and political issues from a Marxist
perspective, in a battle for ideological hegemony. But this isn't a very
adequate strategy, which leads to very little result. Why ? Because the real
problem is different, and for that you have to step out of conservative 19th
century models of Marxist politics, and Marxist language, and clear the way
for some fresh thought.

What would Lenin say if he was alive today ? He would say, the real problem
is different, it is, how can you mobilise a very large mass of people for
the purpose of instating a governmental power that can begin the transition
to socialism ? If you just forget about rhetoric, and put the question this
way, three prerequisites are rather obvious: for that mobilisation to occur,

(1) you need to know what would actually appeal to and consciously unite
that large mass, as they really are,
(2) you need to have a clear understanding of where you want to take that
mass to, exactly;
(3) you need to devise an overall strategy and organisational forms, which
take that mass from where they are now, to your goal.

It may sound a very simplistic rule of thumb, but the overwhelming bulk of
radical thinking is not systematically oriented to these questions, and that
is the main reason why socialist movements fail, although of course we can
invent millions of reasons for failure. Indeed if you deconstruct what they
are actually doing, you find that they focus mainly on strategies of failure
and apologies and moralisms, rather than going systematically, step by step,
through the requirements, on the basis of the most advanced knowledge we
have for the purpose of solving these problems, in order to devise
strategies for success. Therefore you can talk and write till you are blue
in the face, you can fancy yourself very radical, and it may indeed generate
some personal satisfaction or revenue for some, but you don't get anywhere
much with your radicalism. All you get is jibes to the effect that if you
know all this, why aren't you successful ?.

If we now consider the international working class statistically or
culturally, we can easily conclude that, whatever be the process of cultural
homogenisation resulting from the internationalisation of capital, and
whatever be the social-structural similarities of the positions of workers,
a worker in China lives in a completely different world from a German
worker, and from the point of view of a Chinese worker, the German worker
might well be perceived as a member of the bourgeoisie, given the cultural
and economic gap involved. On the other side, if you compare, say, American
capitalism with Indian capitalism, you realise that capitalism functions in
a completely different way in these countries. You can talk about capitalism
and the fact that both countries are capitalist, but it does not mean very
much because in reality the real experience of living in these countries is
worlds apart.

Now, we can of course go on talking about globalisation in a fragmented,
eclectic sort of way, but this misses the real problems by a mile. Paolo
Giussiani wrote an article once on the globalisation of hot air and that
title just about sums it up.

In a world of the internet, mass media and mobile phone communication,
communications become highly reflexive, and the utilisation of conscious
awareness changes, the 

moms doing the press' job

2003-08-25 Thread Dan Scanlan
Title: moms doing the press' job


Four 9/11 Moms
Battle Bush

by Gail Sheehy

In mid-June, F.B.I. director Robert Mueller III and several senior
agents in the bureau received a group of about 20 visitors in a
briefing room of the J. Edgar Hoover Building in Washington, D.C. The
director himself narrated a PowerPoint presentation that summarized
the numbers of agents and leads and evidence he and his people had
collected in the 18-month course of their ongoing investigation of
Penttbom, the clever neologism the bureau had invented to reduce the
sites of devastation on 9/11 to one word: Pent for Pentagon, Pen for
Pennsylvania, tt for the Twin Towers and bom for the four planes that
the government had been forewarned could be used as weapons-even
bombs-but chose to ignore.

After the formal meeting, senior agents in the room faced a grilling
by Kristen Breitweiser, a 9/11 widow whose cohorts are three other
widowed moms from New Jersey.

I don't understand, with all the warnings about the
possibilities of Al Qaeda using planes as weapons, and the Phoenix
Memo from one of your own agents warning that Osama bin Laden was
sending operatives to this country for flight-school training, why
didn't you check out flight schools before Sept. 11?

Do you know how many flight schools there are in the U.S.?
Thousands, a senior agent protested. We couldn't have
investigated them all and found these few guys.

Wait, you just told me there were too many flight schools and
that prohibited you from investigating them before 9/11,
Kristen persisted. How is it that a few hours after the
attacks, the nation is brought to its knees, and miraculously F.B.I.
agents showed up at Embry-Riddle flight school in Florida where some
of the terrorists trained?

We got lucky, was the reply.

Kristen then asked the agent how the F.B.I. had known exactly which
A.T.M. in Portland, Me., would yield a videotape of Mohammed Atta,
the leader of the attacks. The agent got some facts confused, then
changed his story. When Kristen wouldn't be pacified by evasive
answers, the senior agent parried, What are you getting
at?

I think you had open investigations before Sept. 11 on some of
the people responsible for the terrorist attacks, she said.

We did not, the agent said unequivocally.

A month later, on the morning of July 24, before the scathing
Congressional report on intelligence failures was released, Kristen
and the three other moms from New Jersey with whom she'd been in
league sat impassively at a briefing by staff director Eleanor Hill:
In fact, they learned, the F.B.I. had open investigations on 14
individuals who had contact with the hijackers while they were in the
United States. The flush of pride in their own research passed
quickly. This was just another confirmation that the federal
government continued to obscure the facts about its handling of
suspected terrorists leading up to the Sept. 11 attacks.

So afraid is the Bush administration of what could be revealed by
inquiries into its failures to protect Americans from terrorist
attack, it is unabashedly using Kremlin tactics to muzzle members of
Congress and thwart the current federal commission investigating the
failures of Sept. 11. But there is at least one force that the
administration cannot scare off or shut up. They call themselves
Just Four Moms from New Jersey, or simply the
girls.

Kristen and the three other housewives who also lost their husbands
in the attack on the World Trade Center started out knowing virtually
nothing about how their government worked. For the last 20 months
they have clipped and Googled, rallied and lobbied, charmed and
intimidated top officials all the way to the White House. In the
process, they have made themselves arguably the most effective force
in dancing around the obstacle course by which the administration
continues to block a transparent investigation of what went wrong
with the country's defenses on Sept. 11 and what we should be doing
about it. They have no political clout, no money, no powerful
husbands-no husbands at all since Sept. 11-and they are up
against a White House, an Attorney General, a Defense Secretary, a
National Security Advisor and an F.B.I. director who have worked out
an ingenious bait-and-switch game to thwart their efforts and those
of any investigative body.

The Mom Cell

The four moms-Kristen Breitweiser, Patty Casazza, Mindy Kleinberg
and Lorie van Auken-use tactics more like those of a leaderless
cell. They have learned how to deposit their assorted seven children
with select grandmothers before dawn and rocket down the Garden State
Parkway to Washington. They have become experts at changing out of
pedal-pushers and into proper pantsuits while their S.U.V. is stopped
in traffic, so they can hit the Capitol rotunda running. They have
talked strategy with Senator John McCain and Senate Minority Leader
Tom Daschle. They once caught Congressman Porter Goss hiding behind
his office door to avoid them. And they 

RES: [PEN-L] RES: [PEN-L] RES: [PEN-L] God: a socialist view

2003-08-25 Thread Renato Pompeu
Atheism, marxism-leninism, trotskyism and most forms of marxism are other
forms of religion. Little marxism and few marxists were scientific as Marx
intended.
Renato Pompeu

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Well I agree, but the Marxist-Leninist and Trotskyist interpretation of Marx
has a heavy atheist bias,A
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Re: RES: [PEN-L] RES: [PEN-L] RES: [PEN-L] God: a socialist view

2003-08-25 Thread Carrol Cox
Renato Pompeu wrote:

 Atheism, marxism-leninism, trotskyism and most forms of marxism are other
 forms of religion. Little marxism and few marxists were scientific as Marx
 intended.
 Renato Pompeu


There was a discussion Pen-L a year or two ago on what Marx  Engels (or
mid-19th c. writers in general) _meant_ by the word science. Probably
the word had much less rigid denotation than it does now. Perhaps it
meant only systematic with some reasonable attempt not to confuse
descriptions (or naming) with explanations.


Re: RES: [PEN-L] RES: [PEN-L] RES: [PEN-L] God: a socialist view

2003-08-25 Thread Devine, James
any theory (including Marxism) can become a religion if people take it too seriously. 
But no theory _has_ to become a religion, as long as people recognize the fact that 
theory and empirical reality almost never correspond exactly. 


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 Atheism, marxism-leninism, trotskyism and most forms of 
 marxism are other
 forms of religion. Little marxism and few marxists were 
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 intended.
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Palast on Times

2003-08-25 Thread Dan Scanlan
BLACK-OUT AT THE TIMES
Readers Forced to View Unsolicited Corpornography
by Greg Palast
Monday, August 25, 2003
I guess the lights never went back on at the Times. That's the only
acceptable explanation for the loving Lewinsky The Paper of Record
gave to the power industry on the front page of its Sunday edition.
Over 20-some column inches, we are told that experts say that the
reason the lights went out over one fourth our continent ten days ago
was that the electric industry, most particularly, transmission
lines, remained regulated. The answer to our woes, the Times
informs us, is more deregulation -- except for the visionary rules
contained in the President's energy bill. In the editorial posing as
a news story, the Times lectures us that the president's proposals
would have been law, and saved us from the power outage, but
politics have stymied their progress.
Later in the article, the stymiers of progress are named: those evil
small-minded consumer groups.
So who are these experts who revealed The Truth to the Times? The
authors quote seven in the article, beginning with David Owen, the
industry's chief lobbyist. That paid shill is followed by James
Hoecker, identified by his former title only, as a independent
regulator. Just from the article, you'd think the poor guy is
unemployed these days. In fact, he's walked comfortably through the
revolving door and onto the industry payroll. His law firm
represents, among others, First Energy, the characters who started
the black-out rolling. I guess that fact was not fit to print in
The Times.
My favorite is the Times giving us the expert advice of the director
of Transmission for the National Grid Transco which owns and runs the
grid in England and Wales. This Brit says Americans should pay more
money to grid operators. What he doesn't say -- and the Times is
happy to keep his secret -- is that his corporation owns
Niagara-Mohawk Power Corporation, the company that spread the power
outage into New York. Undoubtedly, NiMo's failure to react to the
emergency resulted from the corporation's eliminating 800 workers in
New York over the past two years and radically cutting investment in
the grid system it operates in the USA.
The parade of industry retainers, payrollers and lobbyists lecturing
us stumbles on through the Times' inside pages. Unnamed industry
analysts telling us consumers will have to foot the bill to fix
the system. As an analyst of the industry for decades -- and on no
one's payroll except the United Nations -- I can tell you that you
HAVE paid the bill already for a good system. But power pirates such
as the National Grid of England have run off with the booty.
I admit, there's one expert cited who is not receiving an industry
paycheck. The article is capped by the finger-wagging counsel of the
Chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. Chairman Pat
Wood III concludes the article with his admonition that deregulation
must be accelerated. Wood is, after all, the man in charge of our
nation's power system. His qualifications for the job? His
appointment was secretly proposed by Ken Lay.
If the Times wants to publish corpornography on its front page, hey,
it's a free country. At least they did it with the lights off.
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FDI versus investment in foreign securities by the USA

2003-08-25 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
In a previous post, I mentioned that FDI is by no means representative of
total foreign investment since it only measures actual ownership of assets
(companies etc.) in foreign countries. I just came across some data on the
foreign investment by the USA in securities, check it out for yourself:

http://www.ustreas.gov/tic/preshc01.pdf


insider selling redux

2003-08-25 Thread Eubulides
http://www.latimes.com/business
Indicators Flash Red, but Should Investors Stop?
Insider selling, bullish sentiment and low volatility foretell a stock
market drop. But some doubt the gauges' value.
By Josh Friedman
Times Staff Writer

August 25, 2003

The stock market has rallied briskly since early August, lifting key
indexes to their highest levels in more than a year. But as Wall Street
heads into September - historically the weakest month of the year for
stocks - some analysts are troubled by long-reliable market indicators
that are flashing red.

One gauge of investors' attitude, the VIX index of options-market
volatility, is pointing to extreme complacency. When it has sunk to these
levels in the past it often has foreshadowed sharp declines in share
prices.

Likewise, the heavily bullish tone in surveys of market newsletter editors
and individual investors is a classic warning sign that stocks are near a
peak. So are high levels of company insider stock sales while insider
buying remains low.

To some analysts, these indicators suggest that the rally that has lifted
the Standard  Poor's 500 index 24% since March 11 is topping out. And yet
the market has held up this summer in the face of soaring bond yields, and
got a new head of steam in the last two weeks even though it's well known
to investors that September often brings a pullback in prices.

Some say all of this is encouraging, not scary.

It's acting like a bull market. It gets overbought and yet it doesn't
want to go down, said Steve Todd, editor of Todd Market Forecast
newsletter in Mission Viejo, who noted that stocks rose last week despite
terrorist bombings in the Middle East and weak earnings from
Hewlett-Packard Co.

Imagine trying to push a beach ball underwater, Todd said. That's what
we have. By contrast, in a bear market it's a bowling ball, he said.

Some bullish analysts say market indicators such as the VIX may have lost
their predictive power because too many people are counting on them to
show the way.

Others say economic hopes now trump all: If you think the economy, and
corporate earnings, will accelerate in 2004, selling stocks at this point
would be a mistake, they say.

But bears say that ignoring the classic warning signs of a market top is
simply foolhardy.

Here is what the numbers are showing and how market pros view them:

.  The VIX index. The VIX, which tracks investors' use of put and call
option contracts on the blue-chip SP 100 stock index to gauge
expectations of market moves, is considered dangerously low when it falls
to about 20 or below. It closed at 20.27 Friday after hitting a three-year
low of 19.23 on Tuesday.

Wall Street regards the VIX as a contrary indicator: When it is low it's a
sign that many investors already are in the market, aren't hedging their
bets and are optimistic stocks will keep rising, all of which implies
there are few people left on the sidelines to fuel a new rally.

In August 2000, for instance, the VIX bottomed at 18.23 - just as the
average New York Stock Exchange stock reached its bull-market peak. Over
the next four months the SP 500 sank 17%.

By contrast, the VIX reached extraordinary highs last fall, just as the
bear market bottomed.

But some say the VIX may have lost its predictive punch, at least
temporarily.

In the past, the VIX has been very effective in showing complacency, and
that has usually coincided with market tops, said Joe Sunderman, director
of trading at Schaeffer's Investment Research in Cincinnati. What's
different this time is how much attention it's getting in the press.

He likened the VIX to the so-called January effect for smaller stocks. In
the 1980s Wall Street analysts widely touted the tendency of smaller
stocks to outperform the rest of the market each January.

Since then, however, what might once have been January gains for smaller
stocks often have occurred in October, November or December as investors
have tried to get a jump on the phenomenon.

Once people get burned by the VIX and say they're going to toss it out of
their playbook, then it might work again in the future, Sunderman said.

Other analysts say the VIX has long been inconsistent.

Todd noted that VIX readings under 20 in early 1995 and 1998, for example,
preceded strong market rallies. This year, the VIX fell to about 21 in
mid-May, but if you stayed away from the market because of that, you
missed a 700-point gain in the Dow, Todd said. The Dow Jones industrial
average, which closed Friday at 9,348.87, was around 8,600 in mid-May.

In a bull market the VIX will go down and stay awhile, Todd said.

.  Sentiment surveys. Bullishness has been high this summer in surveys by
the American Assn. of Individual Investors and by Investors Intelligence,
which polls market newsletter editors.

In AAII's latest online survey last week, 63% of respondents were bullish
on stocks, 18.5% were bearish and the rest were neutral. In last week's
Investors Intelligence poll, 55.1% of market 

Writing off the bourgeoisie

2003-08-25 Thread Louis Proyect
Hal Draper, Karl Marx's Theory of Revolution, V. 2: The Politics of Social
Classes:
Around the latter part of 1848 and early 1849, Marx gave up the expectation
that the bourgeoisie might come through after all.
This was not an easy conclusion to come to, since--in the absence of a
crystal ball to foresee alternative roads--it suggested that in Germany the
road of progressive economic modernization might be closed or long delayed.
Marx did not adopt the conclusion on some given day; on the contrary, there
are many signs of groping and oscillation, as might be expected of
militants who were trying to understand an unexpected development, not in a
library carrel a hundred years later but in the hurly-burly of
revolutionary events.
1. WRITING OFF THE BOURGEOISIE

Even as early as July 1848 there was already an element of ambiguity in the
following passage in an article by Marx:
The [Hansemann ministry] wants to establish the rule of the bourgeoisie
while at the same time striking a compromise with the old police- and
feudal state. In this two-sided and contradictory task, at every turn it
sees the still-to-be-established rule of the bourgeoisie and its own
existence frustrated by the reactionary forces of the absolutist, feudal
type--and it will succumb to the latter. The bourgeoisie cannot fight it
out for its own rule without temporarily taking the people as a whole as
its ally, hence without coming out more or less democratically.
There is the direct statement that it will succumb, but the next
implication is that it will succumb unless . . . The second view, in
fact, remained the operative line for months.
A month before, in the eloquent article in which Marx defended the June
uprising of the Paris workers, his bitterness toward the bourgeois
executioners of the revolt did not prevent him from asking, toward the end
of the article, whether this deep gulf that has opened before us should
lead one to think that the fight for a democratic constitution makes no
difference, that the difference between a democratic state form and the
absolutist state form is only empty, illusory, nil. His answer is a
vigorous no. The struggles arising out of social development have to be
fought to their conclusion:
The best form of the state is that in which social antagonisms are not
blurred, are not forcibly--hence only artificially, only
illusorily--fettered. The best form of the state is that in which they come
to a free fight and thereby to a solution.
Therefore the N.R.Z. group pushed for everything that would further a
democratic-constitutional government, a complete democratiza-tion of the
state. But increasingly a question mark had to be put over the issue: what
social force could achieve this aim?
The answer was not worked out by meditation in the offices of the N.R.Z. It
came in response to a series of shocks. In September a watershed event cast
a bright light. An uprising broke out in the Frankfurt area, fought by the
workers of Frankfurt, Offenbach and Hanau, and by the peasants of the
surrounding region, Engels reported. The bourgeois elements opposed the
movement, and it was suppressed by the government with the help of
Prussian, Austrian, and Hessian troops. Engels' article on the uprising
looked at the class alignment and generalized: why the victories of the
counterrevolution all over Europe?
Because all sides know that the struggle that is looming in all civilized
countries is an entirely different one, an infinitely more important one,
than all previous revolutions: because in Vienna as in Paris, in Berlin as
in Frankfurt, in London as in Milan, it is a question of the overthrow of
the political rule of the bourgeoisie, of a transformation whose imminent
consequences already fill all comfortable and puzzled citizens with dismay.
Is there any revolutionary center in the world where the red flag, the
battle symbol of the fraternizing European proletariat, has not waved over
the barricades in the last five months?
In Frankfurt too, the parliament of the united Junkers and bourgeois was
combated under the red flag.
It is because the bourgeoisie is threatened by every uprising breaking out
now--threatened directly as to its political existence and indirectly as to
its social existence: this is the reason for all these defeats. The mostly
unarmed people have to fight not only against the forces of the organized
bureaucratic and military state which have been taken over by the
bourgeoisie, but also against the armed bourgeoisie itself. Confronting the
unorganized and badly armed people stand the joint forces of the other
classes of society, well organized and well equipped. And that is why the
people have been beaten so far, and why they will continue to be beaten
till their opponents are weakened--whether because the
troops  get  involved  in  war or because they have an internal split--or
until some big event drives the people into desperate struggle and
demoralizes their opponents.
Engels' article then points to 

Re: Writing off the bourgeoisie

2003-08-25 Thread Devine, James
isn't this part of the theory of permanent revolution? 


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 From: Louis Proyect [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:25 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [PEN-L] Writing off the bourgeoisie
 
 
 Hal Draper, Karl Marx's Theory of Revolution, V. 2: The 
 Politics of Social
 Classes:
 
 Around the latter part of 1848 and early 1849, Marx gave up 
 the expectation
 that the bourgeoisie might come through after all.
 
 This was not an easy conclusion to come to, since--in the absence of a
 crystal ball to foresee alternative roads--it suggested that 
 in Germany the
 road of progressive economic modernization might be closed or 
 long delayed.
 Marx did not adopt the conclusion on some given day; on the 
 contrary, there
 are many signs of groping and oscillation, as might be expected of
 militants who were trying to understand an unexpected 
 development, not in a
 library carrel a hundred years later but in the hurly-burly of
 revolutionary events.
 
 1. WRITING OFF THE BOURGEOISIE
 
 Even as early as July 1848 there was already an element of 
 ambiguity in the
 following passage in an article by Marx:
 
 The [Hansemann ministry] wants to establish the rule of the 
 bourgeoisie
 while at the same time striking a compromise with the old police- and
 feudal state. In this two-sided and contradictory task, at 
 every turn it
 sees the still-to-be-established rule of the bourgeoisie and its own
 existence frustrated by the reactionary forces of the 
 absolutist, feudal
 type--and it will succumb to the latter. The bourgeoisie 
 cannot fight it
 out for its own rule without temporarily taking the people as 
 a whole as
 its ally, hence without coming out more or less democratically.
 
 There is the direct statement that it will succumb, but the next
 implication is that it will succumb unless . . . The second view, in
 fact, remained the operative line for months.
 
 A month before, in the eloquent article in which Marx 
 defended the June
 uprising of the Paris workers, his bitterness toward the bourgeois
 executioners of the revolt did not prevent him from asking, 
 toward the end
 of the article, whether this deep gulf that has opened 
 before us should
 lead one to think that the fight for a democratic 
 constitution makes no
 difference, that the difference between a democratic state 
 form and the
 absolutist state form is only empty, illusory, nil. His answer is a
 vigorous no. The struggles arising out of social development 
 have to be
 fought to their conclusion:
 
 The best form of the state is that in which social 
 antagonisms are not
 blurred, are not forcibly--hence only artificially, only
 illusorily--fettered. The best form of the state is that in 
 which they come
 to a free fight and thereby to a solution.
 
 Therefore the N.R.Z. group pushed for everything that would further a
 democratic-constitutional government, a complete 
 democratiza-tion of the
 state. But increasingly a question mark had to be put over 
 the issue: what
 social force could achieve this aim?
 
 The answer was not worked out by meditation in the offices of 
 the N.R.Z. It
 came in response to a series of shocks. In September a 
 watershed event cast
 a bright light. An uprising broke out in the Frankfurt area, 
 fought by the
 workers of Frankfurt, Offenbach and Hanau, and by the peasants of the
 surrounding region, Engels reported. The bourgeois elements 
 opposed the
 movement, and it was suppressed by the government with the help of
 Prussian, Austrian, and Hessian troops. Engels' article on 
 the uprising
 looked at the class alignment and generalized: why the 
 victories of the
 counterrevolution all over Europe?
 
 Because all sides know that the struggle that is looming in 
 all civilized
 countries is an entirely different one, an infinitely more 
 important one,
 than all previous revolutions: because in Vienna as in Paris, 
 in Berlin as
 in Frankfurt, in London as in Milan, it is a question of the 
 overthrow of
 the political rule of the bourgeoisie, of a transformation 
 whose imminent
 consequences already fill all comfortable and puzzled 
 citizens with dismay.
 
 Is there any revolutionary center in the world where the red 
 flag, the
 battle symbol of the fraternizing European proletariat, has 
 not waved over
 the barricades in the last five months?
 
 In Frankfurt too, the parliament of the united Junkers and 
 bourgeois was
 combated under the red flag.
 
 It is because the bourgeoisie is threatened by every 
 uprising breaking out
 now--threatened directly as to its political existence and 
 indirectly as to
 its social existence: this is the reason for all these 
 defeats. The mostly
 unarmed people have to fight not only against the forces of 
 the organized
 bureaucratic and military state which have been taken over by the
 bourgeoisie, but also against 

Re: Writing off the bourgeoisie

2003-08-25 Thread Louis Proyect
isn't this part of the theory of permanent revolution?
Yes.

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