from the 'the bizarre circus continues' dept:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/10/20/sprj.irq.iraq.marriages.ap/index.html
U.S. soldiers must wait for Iraqi wives
PENSACOLA, Florida (AP) --Two National Guard soldiers who married Iraqi
women against their commander's wishes will have to wait at
Bryan Keefer wrote:
Louis-
The three of us at Spinsanity all have our own
political views (you can read about them at
http://www.spinsanity.org/about/). However, we don't
take positions on issues on the site - we simply
fact-check politicians, pundits and the media.
No offense, Bryan, but this
I'm curious as to the opinion of those on this list of Participatory Economics. It seems to be a well thought out, rationally presented, and viable alternative to capitalism and state socialism.
Several small businesses have been successfully operating for years on the model -obviously a limited
Snow(job?) is predicting job growth of 200,000 per month. Does anybody
believe this prediction? What sort of jobs would be produced? In what
country?
Outsourcing seems rampant. Manufacturing is in decline.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
[EMAIL
Title: bush dumped
well, whatever works...
Bush's 'spirit' cursed, tossed into Thai river
October 18, 2003 - 4:22PM
Bangkok: The spirit of US President George W Bush has been trapped in
a clay pot and tossed into a river in northern Thailand after being
cursed by hundreds of farmers
I don't believe it. Will we need 2,000,000 more prison guards over the
next year? He also predicted higher interest rates...
Higher interest rates I could believe; it might cost Bush the election,
but he can be sacrificed; there are many who are not happy with his, uh,
destabilizing moves.
High
http://www.jobwatch.org
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From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael
Perelman
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 200,000 jobs
Snow(job?) is predicting job growth of 200,000 per month. Does anybody
believe this
i remember reading in one of krugman's essays or elsewhere that real
wages for the bottom 40% (or 30%?) actually declined from their
1950-1970 levels to what they were in 2000. is this true? can someone
provide me pointers to this data?
the following graph at EPI seems to suggest the above (for
Obviously, I'm a supporter of this alternative, but I'd like to hear any
critiques from anyone on this list. If those on the list are supporters,
I'd like to hear your thoughts or concerns. If there are those who are
unaware of participatory economics -parecon, I'd be happy to post some
articles
On Lumumba.
Some years ago there was an aricle in the Sunday Times magazine, I
forget its specific subject, that matter-of-factly noted that Eisenhower
had requested that Lumumba be killed. I forget the rest of the details,
but the attempts (eventually successful) to have Lumumba killed were one
Many years ago, when John Stockwell was in Chico, he said that Lumumba's
body was stuffed into the trunk of his car -- at least to the best of my
recollection.
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Troy wrote: "I'd like to hear any critiques from anyone on this
list."
Here's a simple one: "ParEcon" -- This sounds
Stalinist/Sovietesque. For a program that seeks to transcend socialism's
equation with the USSR, this a rather bad thing.
On Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 13:19:58 (-0700) Michael Dawson writes:
Troy wrote: I'd like to hear any critiques from anyone on this list.
Here's a simple one: ParEcon -- This sounds Stalinist/Sovietesque. For a program
that seeks to transcend socialism's equation with the USSR, this a
So Snow is actually predicting many less jobs than he predicted with the tax
cuts and even fifty thousand less than without the tax cuts.
Wow...Progress..
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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From: Max B. Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003
High rates AND more jobs?
if inflation takes off, real interest rates could fall while nominal rates are high.
And we could have lots of jobs as a result of low real rates.
I guess that the Snowman is assuming that the dollar will continue to fall (which is
consistent with low real rates).
Today, the Sacramento Bee had an article about a plan to increase jobs.
If we can cut salaries, companies will not want to outsource
Back to the 20s???
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I didn't get the time to read the whole dialogue about Doug's contribution, so I may
be repeating what someone else said:
But are progressives against rich-country farm subsidies?
I for one am against subsidies to rich-country farmers.
Wages in the United States are higher than when NAFTA
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I didn't get the time to read the whole dialogue about Doug's
contribution, so I may be repeating what someone else said:
But are progressives against rich-country farm subsidies?
I for one am against subsidies to rich-country
So, Max, is the inference I am to make that this is a Snow job, to lower
expectations, and to take Bush off the hook for the earlier higher
prediction? I hadn't thought that Snow was that clever, but there are
people who are.
Gene
Max B. Sawicky wrote:
http://www.jobwatch.org
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Devine, James wrote:
Wages in the United States are higher than when NAFTA took effect,
but are they higher relative to labor productivity?
That's not the issue. I was refuting the common notion that there's a
generalized race to the bottom. There isn't.
Doug
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From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Cancun
Devine, James wrote:
Wages in the United States are higher than when NAFTA took effect,
but are they higher relative to labor
Late David Gordon (happened to be my econometrics professor) many radical
economists documented/argued that MNC/TNC investment decisions are only
partially based on labor cost considerations. Obviously, this in itself
suggests nothing regarding the question of generalized 'race to bottom'
Eubulides wrote:
It makes for great agitprop and when was the last time you heard of
outsourcing or setting up plant-equipment in another country [any country
to any country] to *raise* unit labor costs and *raise* real wages as a
historical norm?
Oh I see, it doesn't matter if it's true, only if
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From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Cancun
Eubulides wrote:
It makes for great agitprop and when was the last time you heard of
outsourcing or setting up plant-equipment in
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Doug Henwood wrote:
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| Sorry. But: 1) average U.S. wage levels are still rising, and 2)
| outsourcing in IT is raising Indian wage levels, sometimes
| substantially. On the latter point, listen to my interview with
| Ursula Huws from my Oct 2 radio
ravi wrote:
2. has average wage increased across the board in india? if so, how do
the figures look for real wages for non IT workers? all i have is
anecdotal information and its bad: at the bank where she had what used
to be a 'for life' job, they have started layoffs. in the meantime, she
is
I would guess so.
Politically, the problem is that as the monthly number
goes positive, the Bushists will say we're moving in
the right direction, just like we told you we would,
and people won't hold them accountable for the damage
that has already been done.
What we need is people writing
NEWS IN BRIEF
Limbaugh Says Drug Addiction A Remnant Of Clinton Administration
WEST PALM BEACH, FL -- Frankly discussing his addiction to painkillers,
conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh told his radio audience Monday
that his abuse of OxyContin was a remnant of the anything-goes ideology
http://www.tcf.org/Publications/POW/October15_2003.pdf
Public Opinion Watch
October 15, 2003
covering polls and related articles from the week October 6-12, 2003
By Ruy Teixeira
It's the Education, Stupid
Jim VandeHei, Education Law May Hurt Bush: No Child Left Behind's
Funding Problems Could
Troy Cochrane wrote:
I'm curious as to the opinion of those on this list of Participatory
Economics. It seems to be a well thought out, rationally presented, and
viable alternative to capitalism and state socialism.
I've made a detailed assessment of parecon in two articles that have
I don't know how general the race is, but there is a tendency for international
direct investment to set different groups of workers in competition with each other,
lowering wages relative to labor productivity.
Jim
-Original Message-
From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL
[New York Times]
October 22, 2003
China's Boom Adds to Global Warming Problem
By KEITH BRADSHER
ZHANJIANG, China China's rapid economic growth is producing a surge in
emissions of greenhouse gases that threatens international efforts to curb
global warming, as Chinese power plants burn ever more
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