Russia -- it never changes!! :)

2004-07-26 Thread Chris Doss
What year is this?

Cossack soldiers arrive in South Ossetia

Georgian government detains supposed 'humanitarian
aid' from Russia
By Nino Kopaleishvili
Messenger.ge
Wednesday, July 14, 2004, #130 (0654)

Cossack military formations help a demonstration of
their force inside territory of South Ossetia on
Tuesday. The well-equipped fighters, who arrived to
South Ossetia following a decision of the Cossack
Council, showed their skills and demonstrated weapons
in training in territory controlled by the de facto
government.

A Cossack leader interviewed by Rustavi-2 stated that
the fighters had arrived in South Ossetia to help
their brother Ossetians and this was an official
decision as 949 delegates of the Cossack Council voted
for it.

Here are our Cossack volunteers who want to take part
in this, the Cossack ottoman told a Rustavi 2
journalist. 90 percent of the population of South
Ossetia are citizens of the Russian Federation. That
is why we are obliged to support our citizens. We
represent the voice of Russia. If it is necessary, all
Russians will come to help our brothers.

While the Cossacks demonstrated their force, Georgian
law-enforcers detained cargo trucks escorted by
Russian peacekeepers at the Ergneti checkpoint.

According to the representative of the President of
Georgia in Shida Kartli Micheil Kareli, Russian
peacekeepers, who claimed they were carrying flour to
Ossetian and mixed villages in Big Liakhvi as a
present from President Putin, could not provide any
documents that it was humanitarian aid.

After 3-hour of negotiations between Georgian customs
officers and Russian peacekeepers the Georgian side
did not change its position.

Sviatoslav Nabzdorov could not present any evidence
that these goods are really humanitarian aid and if
these goods are not cleared, we won't allow them to
enter the territory of Georgia, Kareli told
journalists.

Commander of the Russian Peacekeeping Forces
Sviatoslav Nabzdorov, who personally escorted the
cargo, insisted that it was humanitarian aid and there
was an agreement with President Saakashvili. Nabzdorov
also reminded journalists that on July 12 a Georgian
delegation with an escort of Russian peacekeepers
managed to distribute flour to the Big Liakhvi
villages.

Yesterday I said that I would bring a present from
President Putin. Now we are carrying flour which the
president of Georgia allowed us to do three days ago,
but your governor probably misunderstood something,
stated Nabzdorov before negotiations with the Georgian
side.

According to Kareli, he did not have any information
that President Saakashvili had allowed the cargo to
pass.

Meanwhile, on June 12 Prime Minister Zurab Zhvania and
Defense and Chairman of the Parliamentary Security
Committee Givi Targamadze stated that Moscow had
dispatched a convoy of some 150 military vehicles
transporting artillery, ammunition and 120 troops from
North Ossetia to the breakaway Republic of South
Ossetia during the night of 11-12 June.

President Mikheil Saakashvili denounced the deployment
as an unfriendly act on Russia's part, while the
Georgian Foreign Ministry lodged a protest with its
Russian counterpart and appealed to the international
community to condemn the Russian deployment on June
13.

On Monday the Russian Defense Ministry denied the
allegations that troops and arms had been sent to
South Ossetia. But according to the website Hellenic
Resources Network, Interfax on July 12 quoted a
spokesman for the North Caucasus Military District as
explaining that a convoy carrying fuel, food, and
spare parts was sent to South Ossetia as part of a
routine rotation of Russian troops serving with the
quadripartite peacekeeping force deployed in the
conflict zone.

Murad Djioev, foreign minister of the unrecognized
Republic of South Ossetia, similarly denied that
Russia has sent troops to the region, Interfax
reported. He dismissed the Georgian accusations as
part of a Georgian propaganda campaign.




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North Korea Goes Commercial Online

2004-07-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
North Korea Goes Commercial Online (North Korea's net venture is
merely one aspect of its slow but certain transformation into a
capitalist economy):
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/07/north-korea-goes-commercial-online.html.
--
Yoshie
* Critical Montages: http://montages.blogspot.com/
* Greens for Nader: http://greensfornader.net/
* Bring Them Home Now! http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/
* Calendars of Events in Columbus:
http://sif.org.ohio-state.edu/calendar.html,
http://www.freepress.org/calendar.php,  http://www.cpanews.org/
* Student International Forum: http://sif.org.ohio-state.edu/
* Committee for Justice in Palestine: http://www.osudivest.org/
* Al-Awda-Ohio: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Al-Awda-Ohio
* Solidarity: http://www.solidarity-us.org/


Rock Financial

2004-07-26 Thread Charles Brown



This weekend, I 
heard a commercial by Rock Financial saying that mortgage rates had unexpectedly 
gone down , despite the Fed raising rates recently. (They said that on the 
commercial).

Is this 
theliquidity trap ?

C


Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
The Hindu

Monday, Jul 26, 2004

Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

By Atul Aneja

MANAMA, JULY 25. Relations between Turkey and Israel
appear to be souring
rapidly amid reports that Israeli commandos are
training Kurds in northern
Iraq to encourage the emergence of an independent
Kurdish state.
Israel has vociferously denied these reports, which
acquired prominence in a
recent article written by the American investigative
journalist, Seymour
Hersh, in The New Yorker magazine.

In a damage control exercise, the Israeli Deputy Prime
Minister, Ehud
Olmert, rushed to the Turkish capital, Ankara, last
week where he addressed
this issue. At a press conference, Mr. Olmert said, I
conveyed at every
opportunity that we are not in northern Iraq and that
we have never been
active in that region. It is a lie that Israel is
cooperating with Kurds.

Israel and Turkey have been known as strategic
partners and have had a
strong military relationship. Israel has also viewed
Turkey as its strategic
anchor in West Asia — a region that has been intensely
hostile towards it.
Turkey, however, has a huge stake in seeing that
northern Iraq does not
become independent.

Fears of secession

Turkey fears that an independent state at its doorstep
Iraq could become the
nucleus for a larger Kurdish nation, which could
incorporate parts of its
territory where Kurds reside in large numbers. Iran
and Syria, which also
have large Kurdish populations on their soil also
share these apprehensions
and have stood opposed to Kurdish secession in
northern Iraq.

Notwithstanding Israel's denial, the Turkish Prime
Minister, Recep Tayyip
Erdogan, signalled his unhappiness by declining to
meet Mr. Olmert. He met
Naci Otri, Prime Minister of Syria — Israel's arch
foe, who was also
visiting Turkey at the same time. Differences between
Turkey and Israel have
also come out in the open over the Israeli treatment
of Palestinians.

Mr. Erdogan has not given much credence to reports of
Israeli presence in
northern Iraq, indicating that the dissonance could
also be driven by other
factors. Analysts point out that Ankara has begun to
perceive that Israel
opposes Turkey's attempt to enter the European Union —
its core foreign
policy objective.

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Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Chris Doss
Ha. It's only a matter of time now until some of the
same people who have been glorifying the Kurds as a
long-oppressed victim-race now start vilifying them as
tools of imperialism.

--- Ulhas Joglekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The Hindu

 Monday, Jul 26, 2004

 Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

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Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Doss wrote:
Ha. It's only a matter of time now until some of the
same people who have been glorifying the Kurds as a
long-oppressed victim-race now start vilifying them as
tools of imperialism.
Nobody should either glorify or vilify them. Moreover, it is a mistake
to lump all the Kurds together. The Workers Party in Turkey never cut
deals with imperialism, while the Iranian Kurds were allied with the
USSR at one point, until Stalin's typically cynical double-dealing
forced them to look elsewhere. Of course, the Iraqi Kurdish leadership
is utterly bankrupt. That being said, the Kurds are an oppressed
nationality. Period.
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Re: Subject: Re: Suicides, Military and Economic

2004-07-26 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Anthony D'Costa wrote:

But what he said was
 that Chandra Babu Naidu
 the laptop toting chief minister of Andhra Pradesh,
 who was recently
 ousted in the elections, transferred massive water
 to the urban, high tech
 driven city, at the expense of the rural folks.

This story hasn't been reported in the media AFAIK.
It's possible I missed it. But how exactly he did
this?

 The
 water table is
 drastically falling in the southern region and
 virtually all major
 southern cities (Hyderabad, Bangalore, Chennai) are
 all facing massive
 water supply problems.

For all the headlines over (unfortunate) suicides in
Andhra Pradesh, the state with a very high level of
suicides rate is Kerala.

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John Kerry and Langston Hughes

2004-07-26 Thread Louis Proyect
The neoliberals at Micro$oft's Slate Magazine are red-baiting John Kerry 
over his appropriation of a line from a Langston Hughes poem:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2104295/
Kerry's Lit Crit The soon-to-be nominee sanitizes a Stalinist poem. By 
Timothy Noah Posted Monday, July 26, 2004, at 6:08 AM PT

Last month, Chatterbox urged John Kerry to drop the campaign slogan, 
Let America be America again. Instead, Kerry has wrapped his arms more 
tightly around the slogan's regrettable source.

As Chatterbox noted in the earlier column, Let America be America 
again comes from a poem published in 1938 by the Harlem renaissance 
poet Langston Hughes. But Hughes intended the line ironically. A black 
man living in the pre-Civil Rights Era would have had to be insane to 
look back to a golden age of freedom and equality in America, and Hughes 
was not insane. Hughes was, rather, an enthusiastic cheerleader for the 
Soviet Union at the time he wrote Let America Be America Again, which 
explains the poem's agitprop tone. I am the young man, full of strength 
and hope, Hughes writes in the poem:

Tangled in that ancient endless chain
Of profit, power, gain, of grab the land!
Of grab the gold!
Of grab the ways of satisfying need!
Of work the men!
Of take the pay!
Of owning everything for one's own greed!
Toil good, private ownership bad, etc. Hughes ends his poem on a more 
hopeful note (America never was America to me/ And yet I swear this 
oath/ America will be!), but the future Hughes imagined for America 
when he wrote those words probably looked a lot like Stalinist Russia.


Before turning to the substance of Slate's red-baiting, it is worth 
pointing out how both Slate and Salon function in American political 
discourse. Slate's role is to push liberals to the right, as befits its 
New Republic lineage. The original editor was Michael Kinsley, who 
started his career at this DLC house organ. More recently, Kinsley has 
shifted to the left if his LA Times editorial attack on Kerry's prowar 
stance is any indication. On the other hand, Salon's mission is to push 
radicals to the right. As a watchdog for officially-sanctioned 
liberalism, it is constantly on the attack against Ramsey Clark, Ralph 
Nader or any other figure who strays too far to the left. Both 
publications are funded by the Silicon valley bourgeoisie, which was 
profiled in a very perceptive NY Times Magazine article yesterday: 
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/25/magazine/25DEMOCRATS.html. If they 
were not funded by rich people, they would probably go out of business 
immediately. This raises the interesting question of political culture 
in the USA. With so much of the soft left being sustained by the George 
Soros's and Paul Newman's of the world, one wonders what would happen if 
there was a huge crash that left such individuals in dire straits. If 
political opinion is published solely on the basis of volunteer labor, I 
suspect it would be weighted much more to the left.

Turning to John Kerry and Langston Hughes, it is obvious we are dealing 
with the sort of phenomenon that Thomas Frank honed in on in the pages 
of Baffler Magazine, namely the capitalist appropriation of 
countercultural themes. Kerry has about as much in common with a black 
radical's poetry as The Gap had with William S. Burroughs who modeled 
their trousers some years ago. Or Iggy Pop's Lust for Life being used 
as the backdrop for Royal Caribean Cruise-Lines.

Just as they don't use these lyrics from Lust for Life in that cruise 
line commercial:

Here comes johnny yen again
With the liquor and drugs
And the flesh machine
Hes gonna do another strip tease.
I wouldn't expect Kerry to ever refer to the lines cited by Slate.
In fact, Kerry's attitude toward the sort of people championed by 
Langston Hughes has much more in common with Slate Magazine's. Their 
problem is that they are so uptight they won't allow one of their own to 
appropriate a catchy slogan, even if it was written by somebody who 
despised capitalism and racism.

Despite borrowing from Hughes, Kerry's outlook has much more in common 
with the Don Imus show, where he is a frequent guest. It was on the Imus 
show where Kerry made that crack about opponent Bill Weld taking more 
vacations than people on welfare. Kerry often uses that show to make 
key announcements, such as his denial that he had an affair with an 
intern. Imus was the subject of a 60 Minutes profile a couple of years 
ago, where he admitted to Mike Wallace that he used the word nigger in 
private conversations. That any big-name politician would continue to 
appear on this venue is simply astonishing. But I guess if the goal is 
to remove Bush, it is okay if his replacement hangs out with 
cracker-barrel racists.

When Kerry accused Bill Weld of taking as many vacations as people on 
welfare, this wasn't just a racist jibe to endear himself to Don Imus's 
listeners. He competed with Bill Weld for the prize of sticking it to 
the poor. When 

Justin Raimondo skewers the ABB'ers

2004-07-26 Thread Louis Proyect
This election year is a conundrum that is baffling the antiwar Left, and 
the great debate over whether or not to support Nader is separating the 
wheat from the chaff. As I noted in a previous column, the 
self-promoting and largely self-appointed leaders of the progressive 
movement  i.e. what used to be called liberals  are fanatically 
devoted to Kerry, and attack the Naderites with the same mindless 
ferocity as the old Nation magazine used to denounce the Trotskyites as 
wreckers, splitters, and agents of Hitler and the Mikado. Uncle 
Joe Stalin may be long dead, but his spirit lingers on in the mindset of 
the ABB'ers, even down to mimicking the vicious smearing campaigns that 
were the hallmark of the Stalinist propaganda machine.

Speaking of Stalin, the Kerry camp will be delighted to hear that 
they've been endorsed by the Communist Party USA, the official Commie 
party in the United States, which gives voice to the ABB movement on the 
Left. While Kerry's economic platform is not as dramatic a program as 
we would place, but one that goes in a significantly different 
direction, on the other hand, say the Commies:

He is the vehicle by which George W. Bush, representing the most 
extreme reaction, can be defeated. A Kerry presidency by itself will not 
bring the changes, it will undoubtedly require huge mass pressure to 
bring the changes. In this regard ..., a Kerry election presents the 
possibility for greater struggles to undo damage and move forward.

There is concern in many quarters that Kerry has not taken a strong 
enough stand, especially on issues of race and on the war in Iraq. 
Placing this criticism, Julian Bond said at the Take Back America 
conference, 'Too often the opposition party has been absent without 
leave. When one party is shameless the other can't afford to be 
spineless.' Yet, he concluded, given the threat to civil rights 
enforcement on every front and right-wing control of all branches of 
government, 'The consequences of loss are too high to bear. We have to 
ensure every citizen registers and votes and guarantee the theft of 
Black votes never happens again.' These formulations speak volumes to 
those within peace and left organizations who insist there is no 
difference between Kerry and Bush. On the basis of the record alone, 
this is not the case.'

It isn't surprising that a party that could ignore the crimes of the 
gulag would subordinate the deaths of thousands of Iraqis to the issue 
of how many chads were counted in Florida. As a way to prove their 
complete lack of any moral sense, not to mention their slavish devotion 
to the Democratic party machine, such a stance is a stroke of strategic 
genius on the part of these latter-day Leninists.

I guess the Commies will be among the protesters at the Democratic 
national convention, which we'll be subjected to all week, and I had to 
laugh when I read the complaint of the protesters' leader, Medea 
Benjamin, at being caged up in Boston:

We don't deserve to be put in a detention center, a concentration camp. 
It's tragic that here in Boston, the birthplace of democracy, our First 
Amendment rights are being trampled on.

Even more tragic is that self-proclaimed leftist leaders such as 
Benjamin  a founder of the trendy-lefty Global Exchange, as well as 
Code Pink, a women's antiwar group, and a former Green Party candidate 
are supporting Kerry, sliming Nader, and basically taking the CPUSA 
united front line of Anybody But Bush. No, Ms. Benjamin doesn't 
deserve to be put in a concentration camp: nobody does. But she does 
deserve a pointed reminder that Iraqi lives are valuable, too. Sadly, 
the necessity of such a reminder underscores the imperialist arrogance 
that pervades our political discourse, and can infect even the antiwar 
movement of an imperialist country.

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Marc Cooper on Black Democrats

2004-07-26 Thread Louis Proyect
www.MarcCooper.com
July 25, 2004
Bombs Away: Black Dems and Lockheed Martin Together At Last
Take a close look at these two pictures I snapped tonight at the
Congressional Black Caucus Institute's homage to Fannie Lou Hamer at the
Massachussetts State House on Boston's Beacon Hill. That's right, the
same Fannie Lou who led the Mississppi Freedom Democratic Party
delegation into the 1964 Democratic Convention saying she was sick and
tired of being sick and tired and --unsuccessfully-- demanded full
racial integration of her state's Dixiecrat delegation.
We've come a long way, baby. In the photo on the left you can see Fannie
Lou's portrait posted next to the co-sponsor of tonight's event,
Lockheed Martin. Fourteen original and now aging members of the Freedom
Delegation were flown into the event by the other corporate sponsor, our
friends at Verizon.
The photo on the right features CBC co-chairs, Maryland Congressman
Elijah Cummins and California Democrat Barbara Lee -- the only member of
the House who refused to vote George W. Bush authority to retaliate
after September 11th (not to be confused with the Iraq vote).
I don't know anything about it, I'm just the co-chair of this,
Congresswoman Lee said when I asked her what Lockheed Martin had to do
with the legacy of Fanny Lou Hamer.
Congressman Benny Thompson of Mississippi was more enthusiastic. As he
introduced Lockheed Martin exec Art Johnson to the crowd of several
hundred, he said We had to have someone step up to help us... Lockheed
stepped up to the plate. They've been very supportive of our caucus and
our activities.
Johnson reciprocated the comments saying his company is pleased with
the relationship we have with the CBC. We work together on a number of
projects countrywide.
Lockheed is one of America's largest defense and war contractors. It
also administers several outsourced and privatized computer programs for
what used to be the federal welfare system -- the same one Comrade Bill
Clinton dismantled in 1996. Lockheed has also recently been embroiled in
accusations of employment discrimination.
The CBC is well-known for its alternative, liberal budget proprosals
which traditionally call for a 30% or more cut in military spending.
Indeed, Congresswoman Lee said tonite that the CBC is the conscience of
the Congress. It's the resistance movement inside the House of
Representatives.
A dandy phrase, for sure. But apparently a posture that doesn't frighten
Lockheed Martin...or Verizon.
There are, of course, two ways to look at all this. Either you believe
that money permeates all politics and the CBC is only doing what
everybody else does and, in fact, has no choice other than to wet its
beak with all the others. Or, conversely, you believe that the CBC ought
to be, indeed, the conscience of the Congress and that calling upon the
likes of Lockheed and Verizon to sponsor an homage to Fannie Lou Hamer
is, at a minimum, in bad taste.
We merely report. You decide.
The formal DNC opens Monday night with a speech by Mr. Clinton.
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Todd Chretien replies to Norman Solomon and Medea Benjamin

2004-07-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Counterpunch, July 26, 2004
A Reply to Norman Solomon  Medea Benjamin
Believing in a Green Resistance
By TODD CHRETIEN
These are the times that try mena*TMs souls. The summer soldier and the
sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their
country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man
and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this
consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the
triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness
only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Paine, The Crisis, 1776
The great immigrant revolutionary, abolitionist and supporter of women's
rights, Thomas Paine, made the point in 1776 that in order to win any
meaningful battle, it is necessary not only to fight when it is easy. It
is necessary to fight, and in fact, it is especially important to fight
when all pragmatic opinion counsels compromise, retreat and surrender.
Had Washington's army sued for peace in 1776 at Valley Forge then the
world's first representative democracy would never have been born.
Visionary abolitionist Frederick Douglass advised John Brown to abort
his ill-fated raid on Harpers Ferry, not because he opposed the
rebellion, but because he believed it could not succeed in its tactics.
However, when John Brown was executed by the slave power, Douglass
lauded him as the man who started the war that ended slavery.
In 1937, Congress of Industrial Organization union leader John Lewis
dared the government to break the auto sit-down strikes and shoot him
first. The auto bosses and Roosevelt backed down and we can thank the
Flint rebels for the remnants of unions we still have today.
Rosa Parks refused to give up her bus seat to a white man, touching off
a direct action movement that bucked those who advised to let the
apartheid courts work with all deliberate speed. The racist backlash
was intense and led to the deaths, beatings and jailings of thousands of
young Black and white freedom fighters. But Jim Crow died as well.
Any serious consideration of American history shows that Thomas Paine
was right. Independence, abolition, unions, civil rights, suffrage,
abortion, Stonewall. All great rebellions and reforms came into being
because the minority who advocated unreasonable demands refused to
disorganize their forces under the pressure of majority opinion.
Instead, they held to their principles, gathered their forces, weathered
the storm and showed friend and foe alike that truth and not lies are
the motor force of history.
Today, we are at an historical crossroads. Bush has set the world on
fire. He has invaded Iraq, Afghanistan and Haiti; cheered on the Israeli
war against the Palestinians; shredded our civil liberties with the
Patriot Act; and wants to codify his version of the Old Testament into a
constitutional ban on gay marriage. He wants to outlaw abortion and
doesn't believe in global warming. No doubt, he is a danger to the planet.
However, rather than opposing this madness, John Kerry has helped Bush
light the matches. He voted for the invasions and wants to send more
troops. He promises more, more, more of the same for Sharon's dirty war,
and adds that we should get tough with Venezuela. He voted for the
Patriot Act and vows to intensify the war on terror if elected. There
are, of course, some differences. Kerry does not want to write his
anti-gay marriage bigotry into the form of an amendment. He believes in
global warming, but thinks any radical action to reverse it will hurt
American corporate power. He says he will appoint anti-abortion federal
judges, but will follow Clinton's policy of slowly outlawing abortion to
the young and the poor.
full: http://www.counterpunch.org/chretien07262004.html
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Re: John Kerry and Langston Hughes

2004-07-26 Thread Waistline2



In a message dated 7/26/2004 9:57:10 AM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 

Hughes ends his poem on a more hopeful note ("America 
never was America to me/ And yet I swear this oath/ America will be!"), but the 
future Hughes imagined for America when he wrote those words probably looked a 
lot like Stalinist Russia.



Comment 

Talk about cheap Red baiting. 

Langston Hughes lived through the period of American history 
that birthed the Red Hot Summers and this reality helped shape the core of his 
vision . . . not to mention his personal history. Without question Langston's 
vision was of an America where blacks were not murdered and lynched in mass and 
segregated for another half century . . . which you equate with a Stalinists 
vision or a Stalinists America. 

You state in a dry "as a matter of fact manner" that "the 
future Hughes imagined for America when he wrote those words probably looked a 
lot like Stalinist Russia" and the year as index in 1938. 

In exercising your freedom of speech you play with fire and 
reveal something profound in your character and mental politics . . . that 
smells rotten. 

Langston Hughes vision of the kind of America he conceived is 
contained in his many poems. 

(February 1, 1902 - May 22, 1967) Born in Joplin, Missouri, 
James Langston Hughes was a member of an abolitionist family. He was the 
great-great-grandson of Charles Henry Langston, brother of John Mercer Langston, 
who was the first Black American to be elected to public office, in 1855. Hughes 
attended Central High School in Cleveland, Ohio, but began writing poetry in the 
eighth grade, and was selected as Class Poet. His father didn't think he would 
be able to make a living at writing, and encouraged him to pursue a more 
practical career. He paid his son's tuition to Columbia University on the 
grounds he study engineering. After a short time, Langston dropped out of the 
program with a B+ average; all the while he continued writing poetry. His first 
published poem was also one of his most famous, "The Negro Speaks of Rivers", 
and it appeared in Brownie's Book. Later, his poems, short plays, essays and 
short stories appeared in the NAACP publication Crisis Magazine and in 
Opportunity Magazine and other publications. 

One of Hughes' finest essays appeared in the Nation in 1926, 
entitled "The Negro Artist and the Racial Mountain". It spoke of Black writers 
and poets, "who would surrender racial pride in the name of a false 
integration," where a talented Black writer would prefer to be considered a 
poet, not a Black poet, which to Hughes meant he subconsciously wanted to write 
like a white poet. Hughes argued, "no great poet has ever been afraid of being 
himself." He wrote in this essay, "We younger Negro artists now intend to 
express our individual dark-skinned selves without fear or shame. If white 
people are pleased we are glad. If they aren't, it doesn't matter. We know we 
are beautiful. And ugly too... If colored people are pleased we are glad. If 
they are not, their displeasure doesn't matter either. We build our temples for 
tomorrow, as strong as we know how and we stand on the top of the mountain, free 
within ourselves." 

In 1923, Hughes traveled abroad on a freighter to the Senegal, 
Nigeria, the Cameroons, Belgium Congo, Angola, and Guinea in Africa, and later 
to Italy and France, Russia and Spain. One of his favorite pastimes whether 
abroad or in Washington, D.C. or Harlem, New York was sitting in the clubs 
listening to blues, jazz and writing poetry. Through these experiences a new 
rhythm emerged in his writing, and a series of poems such as "The Weary Blues" 
were penned. He returned to Harlem, in 1924, the period known as the Harlem 
Renaissance. During this period, his work was frequently published and his 
writing flourished. In 1925 he moved to Washington, D.C., still spending more 
time in blues and jazz clubs. He said, "I tried to write poems like the songs 
they sang on Seventh Street...(these songs) had the pulse beat of the people who 
keep on going." At this same time, Hughes accepted a job with Dr. Carter G. 
Woodson, editor of the Journal of Negro Life and History and founder of Black 
History Week in 1926. He returned to his beloved Harlem later that year. 
http://www.redhotjazz.com/hughes.html

What if Langston Hughes vision and ideas of Russia was based 
on his visit to the country and his vision of a future of America was based on 
being born and living the American experience as an American citizen. 


What a cheap shot and disgusting Red Baiting. 

You seriously need to study the years of the Red Hot 
Summers.But then again you already know what Mr. Hughes vision of the 
future was. 

Sad. 


Melvin P. 


Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Chris Doss wrote:  Ha.

Do you know Cuba supports self-determination by
Kashmiris?

Ulhas

 --- Ulhas Joglekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  The Hindu
 
  Monday, Jul 26, 2004
 
  Israel pushing for Kurdish state?
 
  By Atul Aneja



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Re: John Kerry and Langston Hughes

2004-07-26 Thread Louis Proyect
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/26/2004 9:57:10 AM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Hughes ends his poem on a more hopeful note (America never was 
America to me/ And yet I swear this oath/ America will be!), but the 
future Hughes imagined for America when he wrote those words probably 
looked a lot like Stalinist Russia.
 
Comment
 
Talk about cheap Red baiting.
I was quoting a Slate.com article. My own views on Langston Hughes have 
nothing to do with that. I am actually quite partial to Stalinist 
artists such as Hughes, Neruda, Mike Gold and the Hollywood 
screenwriters such as Abraham Polonsky.

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Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Michael Perelman
Chris, why the sarcastic Ha.?  The Kurds have been oppressed for centuries.  Playing 
a weak hand, they have
been involved in all sorts of weird arrangements, frequently living by smuggling, 
shifting alliances
unexpectedly.  Why can't people sympathize with them and still be disgusted by 
particular actions?

 Chris Doss wrote:  Ha.

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Re: John Kerry and Langston Hughes

2004-07-26 Thread Waistline2



In a message dated 7/26/2004 11:02:14 AM Central Standard 
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was quoting a Slate.com article. 

Comment


Sorry . . . and apologies are due. There are times when the 
distinction is blurred and indistinguishable. 

Melvin P. 


Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Chris Doss
I'm not surprised. They probably knee-jerk support
every little group that screeches national
sovereignity! Even if India goes down in flames.

--- Ulhas Joglekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chris Doss wrote:  Ha.

 Do you know Cuba supports self-determination by
 Kashmiris?

 Ulhas

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Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Chris Doss
Sure they've been oppressed (as far as I know -- I'm
not informed on the issue). I'm alluding to certain
segments in the US according to him a group is
oppressed or not according to whether or not it is
pro- or anti-US or Israel.

--- Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Chris, why the sarcastic Ha.?  The Kurds have been
 oppressed for centuries.  Playing a weak hand, they
 have
 been involved in all sorts of weird arrangements,
 frequently living by smuggling, shifting alliances
 unexpectedly.  Why can't people sympathize with them
 and still be disgusted by particular actions?

  Chris Doss wrote:  Ha.

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Re: John Kerry and Langston Hughes

2004-07-26 Thread Chris Doss
Langston Hughes lived through the period of American
history that birthed the Red Hot Summers and this
reality helped shape the core of his vision . . . not
to mention his personal history. Without question
Langston's vision was of an America where blacks were
not murdered and lynched in mass and segregated for
another half century . . . which you equate with a
Stalinists vision or a Stalinists America.

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Hughes wrote for Izvestia when he lived in Central
Asia in the early 30s. He was the first American
writer to be translated into a Central Asian language
(Uzbek), I think.



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Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Michael Perelman
Where does this ocme from, Chris.  Again, Cuba is weak -- yet amazingly has survived 
every imaginable sort
of pressure -- so it may find it beneficial to side with Pakistan.  But to make your 
generalization about
knee-jerk support seems overblown.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 10:07:10AM -0700, Chris Doss wrote:
 I'm not surprised. They probably knee-jerk support
 every little group that screeches national
 sovereignity! Even if India goes down in flames.

 --- Ulhas Joglekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Chris Doss wrote:  Ha.
 
  Do you know Cuba supports self-determination by
  Kashmiris?
 
  Ulhas
 
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Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread ravi
Chris Doss wrote:
 I'm not surprised. They probably knee-jerk support
 every little group that screeches national
 sovereignity! Even if India goes down in flames.

 --- Ulhas Joglekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Chris Doss wrote:  Ha.

Do you know Cuba supports self-determination by
Kashmiris?


so, are you two saying that kashmiris are a little group that screeches
sovereignity? aren't their demands of self-determination legitimate? why
would india go down in flames if the people of kashmir were to gain
self-determination?

--ravi


Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread ravi
Michael Perelman wrote:
 Where does this ocme from, Chris.  Again, Cuba is weak -- yet
 amazingly has survived every imaginable sort of pressure -- so it may
 find it beneficial to side with Pakistan.  But to make your
 generalization about knee-jerk support seems overblown.

 On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 10:07:10AM -0700, Chris Doss wrote:

 I'm not surprised. They probably knee-jerk support every little
 group that screeches national sovereignity! Even if India goes
 down in flames.

 --- Ulhas Joglekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Chris Doss wrote:  Ha.

 Do you know Cuba supports self-determination by Kashmiris?


[all the top posting is making this difficult to follow, but i hope the
reader can still make sense of who said what when]

why pakistan? isn't it wrong to reduce the human rights violations of
kashmiris (by both countries) to a tiff between the perpetrators? or to
put it another way why is supporting self-determination for kashmir =
siding with pakistan?

--ravi


Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread ravi
ravi wrote:

 why pakistan? isn't it wrong to reduce the human rights violations of
 kashmiris (by both countries) to a tiff between the perpetrators? or to
 put it another way why is supporting self-determination for kashmir =
 siding with pakistan?


apologies for the flood. correction to the first sentence above:

human rights violations of kashmiris should read violation of
kashmiri human rights.

--ravi


Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Chris Doss
You're right, I can't read Castro's mind.

--- Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Where does this ocme from, Chris.  Again, Cuba is
 weak -- yet amazingly has survived every imaginable
 sort
 of pressure -- so it may find it beneficial to side
 with Pakistan.  But to make your generalization
 about
 knee-jerk support seems overblown.



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Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Chris Doss
so, are you two saying that kashmiris are a little
group that screeches
sovereignity? aren't their demands of
self-determination legitimate?
why
would india go down in flames if the people of kashmir
were to gain
self-determination?
---

You're assuming a majority of the people of Kashmir
want self-determination. I don't know if they do.
Since most fighters killed in Kashmir (as far as I
know) are non-Kashmiris, I doubt that they do.



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Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread ravi
Chris Doss wrote:

 You're assuming a majority of the people of Kashmir want
 self-determination. I don't know if they do. Since most fighters
 killed in Kashmir (as far as I know) are non-Kashmiris, I doubt that
  they do.


i do not know about fighters, but definitely quite a few kashmiris have
been killed in kashmir by indian forces. a simple search on amnesty.org
for 'kashmir' yields multiple pages and reports of abuse and murder
perpetrated by the indian govt and armed forces.

leaving aside the jammu, the region with a larger indian population,
what i have heard and read suggests that the people of kashmir would
perhaps prefer to be independent of both india and pakistan. afaik,
that, not just pakistan sponsored terrorism, is also one of the reasons
for the indian govt's refusal to conduct a plebiscite.

so, how are we to know what the majority of the people of kashmir want?

tariq ali writes:

http://www.counterpunch.org/tariqkurds.html

TA The real question is what to do about Kashmir, and the simple answer
TA is to ask the Kashmiris. Neither Islamabad nor Delhi wants to know,
TA because they already know: Kashmir would like to be independent.

w.r.t the question of kashmiri militants, BBC writes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1719612.stm

BBC What started as essentially an indigenous popular uprising in
BBC Indian-administered Kashmir has in the last 12 years undergone
BBC major changes.
BBC ...
BBC some of the groups that were in the forefront of the
BBC armed insurgency in 1989 - particularly the pro-independence
BBC Jammu-Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) - have receded into the
BBC background.

a contrary view and report can be found at:

http://members.tripod.com/~INDIA_RESOURCE/kashmir.html

--ravi


Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Doss wrote:
You're assuming a majority of the people of Kashmir
want self-determination. I don't know if they do.
Since most fighters killed in Kashmir (as far as I
know) are non-Kashmiris, I doubt that they do.
The real issue is Indian occupation of foreign soil. India has resisted
Kashmiri independence from early on. When the nationalist leader
Abdullah agitated for independence, New Delhi removed him from office
and sent him to prison for 22 years.
In 1990 Indian troops gunned down 30 people involved with
pro-independence demonstrations. That's when the current insurgency got
started. India, like Indonesia and East Timor, or Turkey, Iraq or Iran
with the Kurds, is quite adept at adopting the brutal stance of their
former colonizers. What a slap in the face to Gandhi's example.
With respect to the guerrillas being non-Kashmiri, this is a charge that
has been raised by the Indian government all the while it occupies
Kashmir itself. Frankly, it is as cynical as Paul Bremer complaining
about foreign fighters in Iraq.
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Cyber One Korea

2004-07-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Cyber One Korea (more on North Korean online gambling and South
Koreans' yearning to communicate with North Koreans):
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/07/cyber-one-korea.html


Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Michael Perelman
Has any country dealt fairly with minorities?
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Release: Chávez Gets Strong Support From Brazil

2004-07-26 Thread Robert Naiman



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Chávez Gets Strong Support
From Brazil

President Lula's Party,
Renowned Leaders, and Major Trade Union
Federation (CUT) All Support Chávez Win in August 15 Referendum

In recent statements, the party of Brazil’s President Lula Da
Silva, the largest Brazilian trade union federation Central Unica dos
Trabalhadores (CUT), and dozens of prominent individuals in Brazil
expressed support for President Hugo Chávez ’ campaign in the August 15
referendum in Venezuela.

On July 16, the Workers’ Party the party of Brazil’s President Lula
Da Silva released 
a letter sent to President Chávez in which it expressed “its desire
for full success of president Hugo Chávez in the referendum August 15,
since his victory will speed the process of economic integration of South
America.” 

Just 9 days earlier the national trade union federation CUT had
released a “Declaration of the CUT on the August 15 Referendum in
Venezuela,” which said, “we understand that this election will be of
basic importance for all the peoples of Latin America,” and that the
decision of Venezuelans to “support the continuity of the Chávez
government will be a strong reaffirmation … of democracy.” The CUT is the
largest labor federation in Brazil, founded in 1983. Brazil’s President
Lula was one of the founders of the CUT.

Strong support for Chavez also came from a group of 69 prominent writers,
intellectuals, musicians and politicians, mostly from Brazil, who signed
a declaration entitled If I were a Venezuelan, I would vote for
Hugo Chávez. The declaration was signed by Jose Rainha,
coordinator of Brazil's landless workers' movement, the MST (Movimento
dos Trabalhadores Rurais Sem Terra); best-selling author Fernando Morais;
and Brazilian music legend Chico Buarque, who was exiled from Brazil
during its dictatorship.
The declaration denounced “the media monopoly… that portrays Chávez as a
tyrant despite the fact that he respects the Law and the Constitution”
and praised “his commitment…[to the] common people and his determination
to apply the 1999 constitution, created by an inclusive democratic
process.” It noted that the right to a recall referendum is an
unprecedented in Latin America, and that “few government leaders
have the courage to submit themselves like President Hugo Chávez ” to
such a referendum. The statement declared, “We are sure that on August
15, the people of Venezuela will be victorious and will construct a free
and just country…if we were Venezuelans, we would vote for Hugo Chávez.”
Nobel Peace Laureate Adolfo Pérez Esquivel and Uruguayan writer Eduardo
Galeano also supported the declaration. 


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Nicaragua 25 years later: a reply to Lee Sustar

2004-07-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Twenty five years ago, the FSLN seized power in Nicaragua. Although it 
is difficult to see this abjectly miserable country in these terms 
today, back then it fueled the hopes of radicals worldwide that a new 
upsurge in world revolution was imminent. Along with Grenada, El 
Salvador and Guatemala, where rebel movements had already seized power 
or seemed on the verge of taking power, Nicaragua had the kind of allure 
that Moscow had in the 1920s.

So what happened?
While nobody would gainsay the political collapse of the FSLN after its 
ouster and troubling signs just before that point, it is worth looking a 
bit deeper into its rise and fall. There are strong grounds to seeing 
its defeat not so much in terms of its lacking revolutionary fiber, but 
being outgunned by far superior forces. With all proportions guarded, a 
case might be made that Sandinista Nicaragua had more in common with the 
Paris Commune than the Spanish Popular Front, which was doomed to 
failure by the class collaborationist policies of the ruling parties.

You can get a succinct presentation of this analysis from Lee Sustar, an 
ISO leader who contributed an article to Counterpunch titled 25 Years 
on: Revolution in Nicaragua. He states:

While the U.S. and its contra butchers are to blame for the destruction 
of the Nicaraguan economy, the contradiction at the heart of the FSLNs 
politics was instrumental in its downfall. FSLN leaders couldnt escape 
the centrality of class divisions in the 'revolutionary alliance'--the 
fact that workers and 'nationalist' employers had contradictory interests.

The conditions of workers had deteriorated throughout the 1980s as 
runaway inflation wiped out wage gains. Workers participated in 
Sandinista unions and mass organizations--but they didnt hold political 
power, and their right to strike was suspended for a year as early as 
1981. This allowed the opportunistic Nicaraguan Socialist Party--a 
longtime rival of the FSLN--to give a left-wing cover to Chamorros 
coalition, which in turn functioned as the respectable face of the contras.

With respect to the failure of the FSLN to align itself with workers 
(and peasants, a significant omission in Sustar's indictment), 
Washington seemed worried all along that bourgeois class interests were 
being neglected and that Nicaragua was in danger of becoming another 
Cuba. Of course, since Cuba never really overthrew capitalism according 
to the ISO's ideological schema, this might seem like a moot point. In 
any case, it is often more useful to pay attention to the class analysis 
of the State Department and the NY Times than it does to small Marxist 
groups. If the ruling class is worried that capitalism is being 
threatened in a place like Nicaragua, they generally know what they are 
talking about.

Virtually all the self-proclaimed Marxist-Leninist formations, from 
the Spartacist League to more influential groups like the ISO, believe 
that the revolution collapsed because it was not radical enough. If the 
big farms had been expropriated, it is assumed that the revolution would 
have been strengthened. While individual peasant families might have 
benefited from a land award in such instances, the nation as a whole 
would have suffered from diminished foreign revenues. After all, it was 
cotton, cattle and coffee that was being produced on such farms, not 
corn and beans. When you export cotton on the world market, you receive 
payments that can be used to purchase manufactured goods, medicine and 
arms. There is not such a market for corn and beans unfortunately. Even 
if the big farms had continued to produce for the agro-export market 
under state ownership, they would have been hampered by the flight of 
skilled personnel who would have fled to Miami with the owners. Such 
skills cannot be replicated overnight, especially in a country that had 
suffered from generations of inadequate schooling.

While all leftwing groups that operate on the premise that they are 
continuing with the legacy of Lenin, virtually none of them seem 
comfortable with the implications of Lenin's writings on the NEP, which 
are crucial for countries like Nicaragua in the 1980s or Cuba today, for 
that matter. In his speech to the Eleventh Congress of the Communist 
Party in 1922, Lenin made the following observations:

The capitalist was able to supply things. He did it inefficiently, 
charged exorbitant prices, insulted and robbed us. The ordinary workers 
and peasants, who do not argue about communism because they do not know 
what it is, are well aware of this.

'But the capitalists were, after all, able to supply thingsare you? 
You are not able to do it.' That is what we heard last spring; though 
not always clearly audible, it was the undertone of the whole of last 
springs crisis. As people you are splendid, but you cannot cope with 
the economic task you have undertaken. This is the simple and withering 
criticism which the peasantryand through the 

In Venezuela, Failure Is Not an Option

2004-07-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
In Venezuela, Failure Is Not an Option (Roland Denis on the August
15 referendum);
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/07/in-venezuela-failure-is-not-option.html
Yoshie


calling for the assassination of the President is against the law

2004-07-26 Thread Robert Naiman
Reuters, the Washington Post, and AFP reported on statements by former 
Venezuelan president Carlos Andres Perez -- now a resident of Florida -- in 
an interview with the Venezuelan opposition newspaper El Nacional that the 
referendum would fail and that violence was the only way for the opposition 
to get rid of Chávez. Chávez should “die like a dog,” Perez said.

My recollection is that calling for the assassination of the President is a 
serious crime in the United States. In fact, my memory is that in one of 
Michael Moore's books he tells the following story. Jesse Helms, when he 
was still in the Senate, was mad at Clinton about something - I think maybe 
it was the assault weapons ban. And Helms made some comment like, Clinton 
had better not come to North Carolina, because it won't be safe for him 
there. And Moore says, what is this? You can't just go around threatening 
the President of the United States, even if you're a Senator, that's a 
serious crime. So he calls up the FBI, and says, what are you doing about 
this? And the guy from the FBI says, we're taking this seriously, as we 
take all threats to the President seriously; we have opened an investigation.

Does anyone remember this, or have any references, or know where the 
relevant law might be in the U.S. code?

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Re: calling for the assassination of the President is against the law

2004-07-26 Thread Perelman, Michael
What about Ari Fleischer describing the one bullet option in Iraq?

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Re: calling for the assassination of the President is against the law

2004-07-26 Thread andie nachgeborenen


we take all threats to the President seriously; we have opened an investigation.Does anyone remember this, or have any references, or know where the relevant law might be in the U.S. code?--
 There's this:


18 U.S.C.A. § 115United States Code Annotated Currentness 
Title 18. Crimes and Criminal Procedure (Refs  Annos) 
 Part I. Crimes 

 Chapter 7. Assault

§ 115. Influencing, impeding, or retaliating against a Federal official by threatening or injuring a family member




(a)(1) Whoever--




(A) assaults, kidnaps, or murders, or attempts or conspires to kidnap or murder, or threatens to assault, kidnap or murder a member of the immediate family of a United States official, a United States judge, a Federal law enforcement officer, or an official whose killing would be a crime under section 1114 of this title; or

(B) threatens to assault, kidnap, or murder, a United States official, a United States judge, a Federal law enforcement officer, or an official whose killing would be a crime under such section,


with intent to impede, intimidate, or interfere with such official, judge, or law enforcement officer while engaged in the performance of official duties, or with intent to retaliate against such official, judge, or law enforcement officer on account of the performance of official duties, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).





(2) Whoever assaults, kidnaps, or murders, or attempts or conspires to kidnap or murder, or threatens to assault, kidnap, or murder, any person who formerly served as a person designated in paragraph (1), or a member of the immediate family of any person who formerly served as a person designated in paragraph (1), with intent to retaliate against such person on account of the performance of official duties during the term of service of such person, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).





(b)(1) An assault in violation of this section shall be punished as provided in section 111 of this title.





(2) A kidnapping, attempted kidnapping, or conspiracy to kidnap in violation of this section shall be punished as provided in section 1201 of this title for the kidnapping or attempted kidnapping of, or a conspiracy to kidnap, a person described in section 1201(a)(5) of this title.





(3) A murder, attempted murder, or conspiracy to murder in violation of this section shall be punished as provided in sections , 1113, and 1117 of this title.





(4) A threat made in violation of this section shall be punished by a fine under this title or imprisonment for a term of not more than 10 years, or both, except that imprisonment for a threatened assault shall not exceed 6 years.





(c) As used in this section, the term--




(1) "Federal law enforcement officer" means any officer, agent, or employee of the United States authorized by law or by a Government agency to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of Federal criminal law;

(2) "immediate family member" of an individual means--

(A) his spouse, parent, brother or sister, child or person to whom he stands in loco parentis; or

(B) any other person living in his household and related to him by blood or marriage;

(3) "United States judge" means any judicial officer of the United States, and includes a justice of the Supreme Court and a United States magistrate judge; and

(4) "United States official" means the President, President-elect, Vice President, Vice President-elect, a Member of Congress, a member-elect of Congress, a member of the executive branch who is the head of a department listed in 5 U.S.C. 101, or the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency.


(d) This section shall not interfere with the investigative authority of the United States Secret Service, as provided under sections 3056, 871, and 879 of this title.

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Re: calling for the assassination of the President is against the law

2004-07-26 Thread Gil Skillman
At 04:31 PM 7/26/2004 -0400, you wrote:

My recollection is that calling for the assassination of the President is
a serious crime in the United States. [clip] You can't just go around
threatening the President of the United States, even if you're a Senator,
that's a serious crime.
Ah, but note the caveat--it's a serious crime to threaten the President *of
the United States.*  It's unlikely that U.S. law extends a similar
protection to chief executives of other countries. (And apparently, from
Justin's just-now posting, it doesn't.)
Gil


Re: calling for the assassination of the President is against the law

2004-07-26 Thread Robert Naiman
Actually, the thing that I was looking for was precisely what was posted,
that it's illegal in the United States to threaten the President of the
United States. The point being, that which the opposition in Venezuela does
as a matter of course would never be tolerated here.
However, and notwithstanding single bullet statements, we do have the
following.
-CITE-
18 USC Sec. 878 01/22/02
-EXPCITE-
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 41 - EXTORTION AND THREATS
-HEAD-
Sec. 878. Threats and extortion against foreign officials, official
guests, or internationally protected persons
-STATUTE-
(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully threatens to violate section
112, 1116, or 1201 shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
not more than five years, or both, except that imprisonment for a
threatened assault shall not exceed three years.
(b) Whoever in connection with any violation of subsection (a) or
actual violation of section 112, 1116, or 1201 makes any
extortionate demand shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
not more than twenty years, or both.
(c) For the purpose of this section ''foreign official'',
''internationally protected person'', ''national of the United
States'', and ''official guest'' shall have the same meanings as
those provided in section 1116(a) of this title.
(d) If the victim of an offense under subsection (a) is an
internationally protected person outside the United States, the
United States may exercise jurisdiction over the offense if (1) the
victim is a representative, officer, employee, or agent of the
United States, (2) an offender is a national of the United States,
or (3) an offender is afterwards found in the United States. As
used in this subsection, the United States includes all areas under
the jurisdiction of the United States including any of the places
within the provisions of sections 5 and 7 of this title and section
46501(2) of title 49.
-SOURCE-
(Added Pub. L. 94-467, Sec. 8, Oct. 8, 1976, 90 Stat. 2000; amended
Pub. L. 95-163, Sec. 17(b)(1), Nov. 9, 1977, 91 Stat. 1286; Pub. L.
95-504, Sec. 2(b), Oct. 24, 1978, 92 Stat. 1705; Pub. L. 103-272,
Sec. 5(e)(2), July 5, 1994, 108 Stat. 1373; Pub. L. 103-322, title
XXXIII, Sec. 330016(1)(K), (N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147,
2148; Pub. L. 104-132, title VII, Sec. 705(a)(4), 721(e), Apr. 24,
1996, 110 Stat. 1295, 1299.)
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''by killing, kidnapping, or assaulting a foreign official,
official guest, or internationally protected person'' before
''shall be fined''.
Subsec. (c). Pub. L. 104-132, Sec. 721(e)(1), inserted ''
'national of the United States','' before ''and 'official guest'
''.
Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 104-132, Sec. 721(e)(2), inserted first
sentence and struck out former first sentence which read as
follows: ''If the victim of an offense under subsection (a) is an
internationally protected person, the United States may exercise
jurisdiction over the offense if the alleged offender is present
within the United States, irrespective of the place where the
offense was committed or the nationality of the victim or the
alleged offender.''
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substituted ''fined under this title'' for ''fined not more than
$5,000''.
Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 103-322, Sec. 330016(1)(N), substituted
''fined under this title'' for ''fined not more than $20,000''.
Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 103-272 substituted ''section 46501(2) of
title 49'' for ''section 101(38) of the Federal Aviation Act of
1958, as amended (49 U.S.C. 1301(38))''.
1978 - Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 95-504 substituted reference to
section 101(38) of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 for reference
to section 101(35) of such Act.
1977 - Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 95-163 substituted reference to
section 101(35) of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 for reference
to section 101(34) of such Act.
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At 04:58 PM 7/26/2004 -0400, you wrote:
At 04:31 PM 7/26/2004 -0400, you wrote:

My recollection is that calling for the assassination of the President is
a serious crime in the United States. [clip] You can't just go around
threatening the President of the United States, even if you're a Senator,
that's a serious crime.
Ah, but note the caveat--it's a serious crime to threaten the President *of
the United States.*  It's unlikely that U.S. law extends a similar
protection to chief executives of other countries. (And apparently, from
Justin's just-now posting, it doesn't.)
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Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
ravi wrote:

 tariq ali writes:

 TA The real question is what to do about Kashmir,
 and the simple answer
 is to ask the Kashmiris.

Let us then ask Tibetan and Uighurs what they want.
Let us ask Sindhis and Baluchis in Pakistan, Tamils in
Sri Lanka, Arakan people in Mynamar, muslims in South
Thailand and Philippines what they want. Let Cuban
freely decide what kind of rule they want. Let there
be self-determination everywhere, from Bejing to
Havana.

Ulhas


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Housing bust...

2004-07-26 Thread Devine, James



July 25, 
2004GRETCHEN 
MORGENSON 
Housing Bust: It Won't Be Pretty

  
  

ET the stock market slide. Let the bond 
market sink. As long as home prices keep rocking, it's easy for Americans to 
feel fat and happy.
But what happens when the run-up in housing prices loses steam, or worse? The 
implications are sobering, not only for homeowners but also for the economy as a 
whole. 
With the growth rate for home prices starting to slow, now may be the time to 
ponder what a bear market in real estate may bring. A recent study by two 
economists at Goldman 
Sachs provides some answers. 
For now, prices are still climbing over all. The average home price in the 
nation rose 7.71 percent in the 12 months ended in March. 
But the first three months of this year showed far slower growth than 
previous periods. Prices rose only 0.96 percent, according to the Office of 
Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, which keeps an eye on Fannie 
Mae and Freddie 
Mac. The last time housing prices grew by less than 1 percent in a quarter 
was in the spring of 1998.
More ominous, six states showed declines in housing prices in the first 
quarter: Vermont, Alaska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa and Nebraska. No 
state had price declines in the previous quarter. 
To be sure, home values are still hot in many spots. In the most recent 12 
months, prices have jumped by more than 15 percent in Hawaii and Nevada, by 14 
percent in California, 11 percent in New Jersey and 10 percent in New York. 
In nominal terms, United States home prices are up 60 percent since 1995; in 
real terms, adjusted for inflation, they are up 37 percent. Viewed historically, 
home prices are up twice as much now as they were in the bullish real estate 
markets of both the mid-1970's and the 1980's. 
As a percentage of disposable income, home prices are more than 18 percent 
above the long-term average. Prices exceeded that average by only 4 percent in 
the 1970's and 8.5 percent in the 1980's boom.
Michael Buchanan, a senior global economist at Goldman Sachs, and 
Themistoklis Fiotakis, a research assistant there, reckon that at current 
interest rates, home prices are now overvalued by 10 percent, on average. 
Because this figure spans the entire nation, the hottest markets - California 
and New York - are obviously more overpriced.
The economists compute fair value in home prices by using a variety of 
measures, including interest rates, population and demographic data, and the 
overall health of the economy. If interest rates increased by one percentage 
point, the economists said, home prices in the United States would be overvalued 
by 15 percent.
None of this would be worrisome if homeowners had not turned the paper 
profits in their properties into cold, spendable cash. But withdrawals from home 
equities have recently totaled 6.3 percent of household disposable income, 
according to the Goldman study. In the late 1980's, equity withdrawals reached 
only 2.5 percent of disposable income. 
Federal Reserve studies indicate that as much as half of the equity 
withdrawals went into personal consumption and home improvements. As a result, 
the Goldman economists estimate that equity cash-outs added 1.75 percent to the 
growth in the gross domestic product in 2003. That is a significant increase 
from the 1.25 percent kick that equity withdrawals added in 2002.
Consumption would slip 1 percent, Goldman estimated, if housing prices fell 
by 10 percent, to the fair value level. But if prices decline to well below 
that, as often happens when overheated markets go cold, consumption may fall by 
2.4 percent, Goldman reckoned. 
Such a housing crash took place in Britain in the early 1990's. At the 
market's low, home prices had fallen by 27 percent, 5 percent below Goldman's 
estimate of fair value at the time.
Such a decline is not expected here, said Dominic Wilson, a senior global 
economist at Goldman. That's because home prices in Britain had escalated much 
more than they have in this country, even now. And interest rates had soared 
into the high teens, which is unlikely here.
But even small declines in home prices could hurt the economy. "The precise 
degree of the vulnerability isn't going to be clear until we see house prices 
slow," Mr. Wilson said. "You've never seen consumers this stretched, operating 
at levels of leverage we've never experienced before. House prices are starting 
at a level that is pretty high relative to what we think fair value is going to 
be, and the economy as a whole has gotten a lot more sensitive" to 
housing-related spending.
Indeed, Goldman estimates that home equity lines of credit and the like have 
magnified the effect of housing wealth on consumption over the past decade, 
taking it to 10 percent from 4 percent. 
Although rising home prices have been stopped dead in the past by sharply 
higher interest rates, the Goldman economists note that bear markets don't 
necessarily need major triggers to get 

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread ravi
Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
 ravi wrote:
tariq ali writes:

TA The real question is what to do about Kashmir,
and the simple answer
is to ask the Kashmiris.

 Let us then ask Tibetan and Uighurs what they want.
 Let us ask Sindhis and Baluchis in Pakistan, Tamils in
 Sri Lanka, Arakan people in Mynamar, muslims in South
 Thailand and Philippines what they want. Let Cuban
 freely decide what kind of rule they want. Let there
 be self-determination everywhere, from Bejing to
 Havana.


in a general sense, why not? i am not able to tell if you are being
sarcastic or making some other point...

--ravi


Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
ravi wrote:

 Let there be self-determination everywhere, from
Bejing to
  Havana.
 

 in a general sense, why not?

Surely, Cuban leadership (and this is only an
example)should offer self-determination to Cubans
before it demands demands self-determination for
Kashmiris?

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Re: Subject: Re: Suicides, Military and Economic

2004-07-26 Thread Anthony D'Costa
It's very simple, provide uninterrupted water to businesses and the rich
enclaves in the high tech cities. Some gallon figure was mentioned per
resident.  This is not an overnight development, although it appears that way.
Newspapers may not have necessarily made the connection between IT development and
water shortage in rural areas.  But we know water, power, better roads are pretty
mundane stuff when promoting business.


xxx
Anthony P. D'Costa, Professor
Comparative International Development
South Asian and International Studies Programs
University of WashingtonCampus Box 358436
1900 Commerce Street
Tacoma, WA 98402, USA

Phone: (253) 692-4462
Fax :  (253) 692-5718
xxx

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, [iso-8859-1] Ulhas Joglekar wrote:

 Anthony D'Costa wrote:

 But what he said was
  that Chandra Babu Naidu
  the laptop toting chief minister of Andhra Pradesh,
  who was recently
  ousted in the elections, transferred massive water
  to the urban, high tech
  driven city, at the expense of the rural folks.

 This story hasn't been reported in the media AFAIK.
 It's possible I missed it. But how exactly he did
 this?

  The
  water table is
  drastically falling in the southern region and
  virtually all major
  southern cities (Hyderabad, Bangalore, Chennai) are
  all facing massive
  water supply problems.

 For all the headlines over (unfortunate) suicides in
 Andhra Pradesh, the state with a very high level of
 suicides rate is Kerala.

 Ulhas


 
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Re: India's HDI Improves, Ranking Doesn't

2004-07-26 Thread Anthony D'Costa
There are two main national languages: Hindi and English.  A good number
of people don't speak either.  But they tend to be from rural areas from
the non-Hindi belt.  But Hindi is spoken by more people than English and would
easily run into several hundred millions.  Even 4% of Indians speaking English is
over 40 million. So a national language for unity is I think a bogeyman.  In fact
linguistic problems are less important than ethnic identity, although
the latter incorporates the language component sometimes.

xxx
Anthony P. D'Costa, Professor
Comparative International Development
South Asian and International Studies Programs
University of WashingtonCampus Box 358436
1900 Commerce Street
Tacoma, WA 98402, USA

Phone: (253) 692-4462
Fax :  (253) 692-5718
xxx

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Chris Doss wrote:

 --- Anthony D'Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is hard to estimate but the numbers that float
 around, are 3-4% of
 the population, which is not a small number by any
 means.  English has
 been both a uniting factor (in a national sense) but
 also one that sets
 the rural-urban and class divide more forcefully.
 ---

 Given that knowledge of English is so low and the
 absence of a national language (I guess), what is the
 lingua franca in India? I mean, is there any language
 that people anywhere in India would be able to
 communicate in (like Russian in the fSU)? Without
 that, I imagine it would be very difficult to have a
 united country.



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A critical look at Michael Moore

2004-07-26 Thread Louis Proyect
In some ways, Michael Moore's rise to fame and fortune is a classic 
Horatio Alger story. Starting out as the son of a General Motors 
assembly line worker who lived in blue-collar Flint, Michigan, Moore now 
sits at the top of the mountain. With his face on the cover of Time 
Magazine and ticket sales for Fahrenheit 9/11 breaking all sorts of 
records, one can say that he has really made it. Since this meteoric 
rise has been the subject of some debate on the left, we are obligated 
to come to terms with the Michael Moore phenomenon. Whatever one says 
about Moore, he is like the proverbial 800 pound gorilla sitting in the 
doorway demanding our attention: too big to be ignored--both 
figuratively and literally.

From a lengthy and invaluable New Yorker Magazine profile that ran in 
the Feb. 16, 2004 issue 
(http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040216fa_fact7), we learn that 
Moore was born in 1954, educated in a Catholic school and enjoyed a 
happy and conventional childhood. Like so many people a little too young 
to have participated directly in the 1960s revolt, he was still affected 
by lingering cultural and political themes that persisted into the late 
1970s at least. Affecting the shaggy look of the hippies, Moore 
launched a radio show called Radio Free Flint and participated in 
anti-nuclear rallies. His next step was to publish an underground 
newspaper called the Flint Voice. One contributor was an assembly-line 
worker named Ben Hamper who went on to write a much-acclaimed memoir 
titled Rivethead. Hamper and Moore eventually had a falling out that 
can only be understood in terms of the latter's transformation into a 
big-time entrepreneur on the left and the abuse of power that tends to 
go with it. When Hamper's complaints about Moore's imperiousness were 
brought up in a May 23, 2004 Guardian interview, the film-maker 
attributed them to alcohol and drug abuse.

In 1986, Moore was invited to edit Mother Jones magazine, a magazine 
catering to Birkenstock-wearing, Sierra Club-donating, brie-eating 
liberals. Before the year was up, Moore was fired by Adam Hochschild, 
the magazine's publisher who was left a fortune by his father. He was 
the owner of American Metals, a mining company that did business in 
Zambia. To Moore's ever-lasting credit, he refused to print an article 
by Paul Berman, a self-styled anarchist who used to attack the FSLN from 
the pages of the Village Voice, a New York alternative weekly. As 
Alexander Cockburn put it in a Nation Magazine article, It turned out 
that the working-class boy from Flint had ideas of his own. This was 
never the game plan of the rich boy in San Francisco.

A settlement from Mother Jones over wrongful firing and proceeds from 
the sale of his house in Flint, allowed Moore to make Roger and Me, a 
film that was successful beyond his wildest imagination. Originally 
expecting to show it in church basements for movement groups, he found 
that it was considered to be a highly marketable item by the Disney 
corporation, the same company that refused to market Fahrenheit 9/11 
for fear of alienating the Bush administration. Moore instead went with 
Warner Brothers who paid him three million dollars, an unprecedented sum 
for a documentary.

It is no surprise that they would pay top dollar for the film, since 
Moore was and is a consummate entertainer. Although there's hardly been 
any attention paid to this in the vast amount of literature around 
Michael Moore, it seems obvious to me that he has been strongly 
influenced by the early David Letterman, another affable Midwesterner 
who made a career out of thumbing his nose at the establishment. In 
Letterman's case, the jokes were always fairly harmless--usually having 
something to do with the cluelessness of NBC executives. (When comic 
strip author and radical Harvey Pekar attacked parent company GE's 
dangerous nuclear plants and Hudson River pollution on Letterman's show, 
he was never invited back.)

What Moore shares with Letterman is an affinity for college pranks 
raised to the level of art. For example, Letterman was fond of blaring 
goofy messages to bemused suburbanites while driving around in a 
sound-truck. Moore pulls the same stunt in Fahrenheit 9/11, in this 
instance using an ice-cream truck loudspeaker to invite members of 
Congress to read the Patriot Act, something they evidently voted in 
favor of without having read in advance.

From the New Yorker profile, we discover that Letterman's ex-girlfriend 
(and source of much of his distinctive wit) Merrill Markoe worked on 
Moore's short-lived TV Nation show. Another Letterman alumnus who 
worked on the show was Randy Cohen who invented the monkey cam--a 
Letterman show stunt involving a monkey who ran around the studio with a 
camera strapped to his back. If you mix this sort of irreverence with 
left-leaning politics, you end up with a formula for success. Key to all 
this, needless to say, is Moore's on-camera persona 

Re: Housing bust...

2004-07-26 Thread Tom Walker
Jim Devine wrote,

July  25, 2004
GRETCHEN MORGENSON
Housing Bust: It Won't Be Pretty

I don't know the web-page that this came from.

New York Times

Tom Walker
604 255 4812


Re: A critical look at Michael Moore

2004-07-26 Thread Devine, James
Mother Jones magazine, a magazine 
catering to Birkenstock-wearing, Sierra Club-donating, brie-eating 
liberals.

hey, Louis, have you been channeling Dick Cheney? It sure sounds like him or someone 
in the neo-con crowd. Are the MJ folks cheese-eating surrender monkeys, too? 

By the way, is there anything wrong with brie? It's a little expensive, but it tastes 
okay. 


Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine



Re: A critical look at Michael Moore

2004-07-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Devine, James wrote:
Mother Jones magazine, a magazine
catering to Birkenstock-wearing, Sierra Club-donating, brie-eating
liberals.
hey, Louis, have you been channeling Dick Cheney? It sure sounds like him or someone in the neo-con crowd. Are the MJ folks cheese-eating surrender monkeys, too?
Actually, I wear Birkenstocks myself.
By the way, is there anything wrong with brie? It's a little expensive, but it tastes okay.
You just have to eat it in a day or two, or else it developes an ammonia
taste. I myself prefer Chevril. Nothing goes better with a nice
Chardonnay. On the other hand, NPR is pure poison.
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Re: A critical look at Michael Moore

2004-07-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 7:48 PM -0400 7/26/04, Louis Proyect wrote:
Devine, James wrote:
Mother Jones magazine, a magazine
catering to Birkenstock-wearing, Sierra Club-donating, brie-eating
liberals.
hey, Louis, have you been channeling Dick Cheney? It sure sounds
like him or someone in the neo-con crowd. Are the MJ folks
cheese-eating surrender monkeys, too?
Actually, I wear Birkenstocks myself.
I think brie and Birkenstocks are cool.  Sierra Club, however, is
beyond redemption.
--
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Is this a serious problem?

2004-07-26 Thread Perelman, Michael
Karmin, Craig. 2004.  Slowdown in Buying of Securities Reverses Trend
and May Make It Harder to Finance Trade Deficit. Wall Street Journal
(26 July): p. C 1.
Foreign purchases of securities in the U.S. in May came to $56.4
billion.  While that was large enough to finance the current-account
deficit, it was down 26% from April and represented the lowest monthly
total in seven months.  It also marked the fourth consecutive monthly
decline of such purchases by foreigners.
May was the third consecutive month foreigners have been net sellers.
That hadn't happened in nearly a decade.
Potentially more troubling was the slowdown in Asian purchases of U.S.
debt -- especially in Japan, which holds 16% of all U.S. Treasurys.
That country's nascent economic recovery has eased the government's
concerns about maintaining a weak currency to boost exports, in turn
reducing the Bank of Japan's need to intervene and buy dollars.
Japan bought $14.6 billion in U.S. Treasurys in May and $5.5 billion in
April, according to the U.S. Treasury Department.  That is a significant
drop from a monthly average of $25 billion for the seven-month period
ending in March.  If the Japanese economy continues to rebound, Tokyo's
Treasury purchases are unlikely to return to those lofty levels.
Japan is to the U.S. financial markets what Saudi Arabia is to the
world oil markets -- the primary provider of capital, Joseph Quinlan,
chief market strategist for Banc of America Capital Management, wrote in
a recent report. Self-sustained growth in Japan could ultimately
obviate the need for the Bank of Japan to purchase U.S. securities,
leaving a buying void in the U.S. Treasury market, helping to drive
yields higher.
foreigners now control 40% of U.S. Treasury debt, and their purchases
are unlikely to return to peak levels seen at the start of the year, she
said. So U.S. interest rates could still go higher, even if the current
account is funded, Ms. McCaughrin [Rebecca McCaughrin, an economist for
Morgan Stanley] said.
China, Asia's second-biggest buyer of U.S. securities, ... bought $13
billion in U.S. assets through May, compared with $33.1 billion a year
earlier.
China was a net purchaser of $1.7 billion of U.S. Treasurys in the
first five months of the year -- down 91% from the $18.4 billion in net
purchases a year earlier.
Even the United Kingdom, long a reliable buyer of U.S. securities,
turned negative in May, with net sales of $4 billion.  That was its
first monthly net sale since October 1998 during the near collapse of
giant U.S. hedge fund Long-Term Capital Management and the aftermath of
the Russia financial crisis.
Mr. Quinlan [Joseph Quinlan, chief market strategist for Banc of
America Capital Management] argued that Japan has become America's de
facto banker, helping to keep U.S. interest rates low over the past
year.  Currency traders say the Bank of Japan hasn't intervened in the
currency market since March, and the pace of Japanese Treasury buying of
the recent past looks unsustainable: Japan bought $175 billion in U.S.
Treasury debt from September to March, a figure that exceeds Japanese
purchases of Treasurys in the previous seven years combined.


Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Chico, CA 95929
530-898-5321
fax 530-898-5901



Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread sartesian
Chris,

You gave a better answer when you earlier when you said you didn't know.
Assuming want Kashmiris want or don't want is exactly not the issue.  The
issue is the material determinants of the struggle, the history of the
conflict in the area and what the resolution requires.
- Original Message -
From: Chris Doss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Israel pushing for Kurdish state?


 so, are you two saying that kashmiris are a little
 group that screeches
 sovereignity? aren't their demands of
 self-determination legitimate?
 why
 would india go down in flames if the people of kashmir
 were to gain
 self-determination?
 ---

 You're assuming a majority of the people of Kashmir
 want self-determination. I don't know if they do.
 Since most fighters killed in Kashmir (as far as I
 know) are non-Kashmiris, I doubt that they do.



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Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
sartesian wrote:

The
 issue is the material determinants of the struggle,
 the history of the
 conflict in the area and what the resolution
 requires.

1. Independent Kashmir would be a US protectorate in
reality.

2. Jammu  Kashmir is not a homogenous entity.

3. A part of the territory of Kashmir (5000 sq. km.)
was given by Pakistan to China in 1963. How Kashmiris
will that back?

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Re: Is this a serious problem?

2004-07-26 Thread Eugene Coyle






It might explain Greenspan's recent shift to talking about interest
rates possibly going up more rapidly than earlier thought -- at a
moment when the economy noticeably slowed. Suggesting higher interest
rates might keep the cash in-bound. But maybe not for long.

Gene Coyle

Perelman, Michael wrote:

  Karmin, Craig. 2004.  "Slowdown in Buying of Securities Reverses Trend
and May Make It Harder to Finance Trade Deficit." Wall Street Journal
(26 July): p. C 1.
"Foreign purchases of securities in the U.S. in May came to $56.4
billion.  While that was large enough to finance the current-account
deficit, it was down 26% from April and represented the lowest monthly
total in seven months.  It also marked the fourth consecutive monthly
decline of such purchases by foreigners.
"May was the third consecutive month foreigners have been net sellers.
That hadn't happened in nearly a decade."
"Potentially more troubling was the slowdown in Asian purchases of U.S.
debt -- especially in Japan, which holds 16% of all U.S. Treasurys.
That country's nascent economic recovery has eased the government's
concerns about maintaining a weak currency to boost exports, in turn
reducing the Bank of Japan's need to intervene and buy dollars."
"Japan bought $14.6 billion in U.S. Treasurys in May and $5.5 billion in
April, according to the U.S. Treasury Department.  That is a significant
drop from a monthly average of $25 billion for the seven-month period
ending in March.  If the Japanese economy continues to rebound, Tokyo's
Treasury purchases are unlikely to return to those lofty levels."
"Japan is to the U.S. financial markets what Saudi Arabia is to the
world oil markets -- the primary provider of capital," Joseph Quinlan,
chief market strategist for Banc of America Capital Management, wrote in
a recent report. "Self-sustained growth in Japan could ultimately
obviate the need for the Bank of Japan to purchase U.S. securities,
leaving a buying void in the U.S. Treasury market, helping to drive
yields higher."
"foreigners now control 40% of U.S. Treasury debt, and their purchases
are unlikely to return to peak levels seen at the start of the year, she
said. "So U.S. interest rates could still go higher, even if the current
account is funded," Ms. McCaughrin [Rebecca McCaughrin, an economist for
Morgan Stanley] said.
"China, Asia's second-biggest buyer of U.S. securities, ... bought $13
billion in U.S. assets through May, compared with $33.1 billion a year
earlier."
"China was a net purchaser of $1.7 billion of U.S. Treasurys in the
first five months of the year -- down 91% from the $18.4 billion in net
purchases a year earlier."
"Even the United Kingdom, long a reliable buyer of U.S. securities,
turned negative in May, with net sales of $4 billion.  That was its
first monthly net sale since October 1998 during the near collapse of
giant U.S. hedge fund Long-Term Capital Management and the aftermath of
the Russia financial crisis."
"Mr. Quinlan [Joseph Quinlan, chief market strategist for Banc of
America Capital Management] argued that Japan has become "America's de
facto banker, helping to keep U.S. interest rates low over the past
year."  Currency traders say the Bank of Japan hasn't intervened in the
currency market since March, and the pace of Japanese Treasury buying of
the recent past looks unsustainable: Japan bought $175 billion in U.S.
Treasury debt from September to March, a figure that exceeds Japanese
purchases of Treasurys in the previous seven years combined."


Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Chico, CA 95929
530-898-5321
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Willy defines the difference

2004-07-26 Thread Shane Mage
Tonight the most recent dumbocratic POTUS announced that there
were profound differences between the two Factions:  the Bushits
used 9/11 to push the country too far to the right.  I kid you not--
that's what the man said!!!
Shane Mage
Thunderbolt steers all things...It consents and does not
consent to be called Zeus.
Herakleitos of Ephesos