Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
--- Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there are other options besides secession: Ken mentions federalism, while simply increased democracy (including civil liberties and affirmative action) may do the trick in other situations. --- My personal favorite solution. It works for the rest of

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? - Lou P. and Mr. Green

2004-07-29 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/28/2004 12:13:45 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am simply interested in the proponents of self determination . . . Lou P . . . and Mr. Green and whether they have any material on their support of Regional autonomy for the Southwest in

Re: The Blind Swordsman Zatoichi

2004-07-29 Thread Gassler Robert
First, the character in Wait Until Dark was anything but pitiful: the story was about how she gains self-confidence by defending herself against a murderer. Second, Kung Fu had a blind character who was one of the masters. When a Western man says, I may have trouble on the road. I am sixty-one,

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? - Lou P. and Mr. Green

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give me a break. These so called national movement . . . I also have Yugoslavia in mind . . . are utterly reactionary movements of and led by the bourgeoisie and none of them even talk about improving the life of the proletariat as proletariat. Minister

Re: HDI\PPP Michael,Ulhas and Michael

2004-07-29 Thread Daniel Davies
I am sure I would not be the only one who would be horribly disappointed if this was the last of your posts in this series. dd -Original Message-From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of PaulSent: 29 July 2004 01:49To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: HDI\PPP

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2004-07-29 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Chris Doss wrote: Reactionary is an understatement. This is equally true of terrorists in Kashmir. About 70% of terrorists killed in Kashmir in the recent years have been non-Kashmiris. They are usually Punjabis trained by the ISI and smuggled into Kashmir. But other nationalities are also

UN food programme facing funding shortfall

2004-07-29 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
HindustanTimes.com Thursday, July 29, 2004 UN food programme facing severe shortfall of funding Press Trust of India United Nations, July 29 Severe shortfall in funding has forced the United Nations to cut its deliveries of vital rations to millions of hungry people in North Korea. The North

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
--- Ulhas Joglekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is equally true of terrorists in Kashmir. About 70% of terrorists killed in Kashmir in the recent years have been non-Kashmiris. They are usually Punjabis trained by the ISI and smuggled into Kashmir. But other nationalities are also involved. e.g.

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2004-07-29 Thread ravi
Ulhas Joglekar wrote: Chris Doss wrote: Reactionary is an understatement. This is equally true of terrorists in Kashmir. About 70% of terrorists killed in Kashmir in the recent years have been non-Kashmiris. They are usually Punjabis trained by the ISI and smuggled into Kashmir. what are

Useful background on Kashmir from the British SWP

2004-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/article.php?articlenumber=7849 Socialist Review, February 2002 Kashmir: The Valley of Sorrow by Sam Ashman A potential nuclear conflict between India and Pakistan looms over the subcontinent. The flashpoint is the state of Kashmir. The British ruling class quit

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
--- ravi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: imho, the more important debate is regarding cause and effect: did local popular unrest and uprising lead to the influx of foreign terrorists? or did foreign terrorists bring about the image of local unrest? --- Maybe both are right?

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2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
Speak of the devil. Unnamed Sources Expect Iraq To Attract Arab Fighters from Chechnya, Kashmir Beirut Al-Diyar (Internet Version-WWW) in Arabic 03 Jul 04 [Report from Paris by Al-Diyar correspondent Badra Bakhus al-Faghali: Western sources expect Iraq to turn into a center for fundamentalists

John Edwards speaks

2004-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
When John is president, we will listen to the wisdom of the September 11th Commission. We will build and lead strong alliances and safeguard and secure weapons of mass destruction. We will strengthen our homeland security and protect our ports, safeguard our chemical plants, and support our

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
ravi wrote: This is equally true of terrorists in Kashmir. About 70% of terrorists killed in Kashmir in the recent years have been non-Kashmiris. They are usually Punjabis trained by the ISI and smuggled into Kashmir. what are the sources for these numbers? I suggest you visit

Kashmir's Forgotten Plebiscite

2004-07-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1766582.stm Thursday, 17 January, 2002, 18:16 GMT Kashmir's forgotten plebiscite By Victoria Schofield Author of Kashmir in Conflict When the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir acceded to India in 1947, the then Governor-General Lord Mountbatten suggested

The end of suburbia

2004-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 Its the End of the World as We Know It By Thomas Wheeler Review of The End of Suburbia - Oil Depletion and the Collapse of the American Dream (The Electric Wallpaper Co., c/o VisionTV, 80 Bond Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M5B 1X2, 87 minute DVD, US$27.75/C$34.50).

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread ravi
Ulhas Joglekar wrote: ravi wrote: This is equally true of terrorists in Kashmir. About 70% of terrorists killed in Kashmir in the recent years have been non-Kashmiris. They are usually Punjabis trained by the ISI and smuggled into Kashmir. what are the sources for these numbers? I suggest you

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Ulhas Joglekar wrote: Chris Doss wrote: Reactionary is an understatement. This is equally true of terrorists in Kashmir. About 70% of terrorists killed in Kashmir in the recent years have been non-Kashmiris. Lately the resistance in Iraq has mainly been killing people at open-air markets. The

Re: John Edwards speaks

2004-07-29 Thread Carl Remick
Louis Proyect quoted John Edwards: ... That’s why we will strengthen and modernize our military. We will double our Special Forces, and invest in the new equipment and technologies so that our military remains the best equipped and best trained in the world. This will make our military stronger

Banned in Boston

2004-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, July 29, 2004 OP-ED COLUMNIST Banned in Boston By MAUREEN DOWD BOSTON The Democratic convention stage has the hushed mahogany dignity of a Republican men's club: all dark wood paneling with maroon and faux marble trim. The podium has an ersatz presidential seal with a flag. Even the

more on South Africa

2004-07-29 Thread Joel Wendland
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/211/1/32/ Joel Wendland _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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2004-07-29 Thread Daniel Davies
same as the anti-imperialist content of blowing up pubs in Guildford and Birmingham. Those who don't understand Ireland are doomed to repeat its history ... on the other hand, I suppose I should cheer up. Ireland is now a thriving and dynamic nation, and racial prejudice against the Irish would

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
--- Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lately the resistance in Iraq has mainly been killing people at open-air markets. The anti-imperialist content of this strategy is hard to discern. Doug --- It doesn't have anti-imperialist content. The point is to make themselves look badass on TV and

Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Charles Brown
by Chris Doss --- Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there are other options besides secession: Ken mentions federalism, while simply increased democracy (including civil liberties and affirmative action) may do the trick in other situations. --- My personal favorite solution. It works for

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Ulhas Joglekar wrote: Chris Doss wrote: Reactionary is an understatement. This is equally true of terrorists in Kashmir. About 70% of terrorists killed in Kashmir in the recent years have been non-Kashmiris. Lately the resistance in Iraq has mainly been killing people at open-air markets. The

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Charles Brown wrote: CB: The SU had autonomous regions. They were formally autonomous. In reality, there was Great Russian chauvinism from just around the time that Stalin was consolidating power. Lenin's concern over this matter prompted him to wage his final struggle against Stalin.

Heavenly Kashmir Is Still Mired in Hell as a Dirty War Gets Dirtier

2004-07-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Heavenly Kashmir is still mired in hell as a dirty war gets dirtier Sandra Jordan in Srinagar http://www.guardian.co.uk/kashmir/Story/0,2763,1185386,00.html Sunday April 4, 2004 The Observer The following correction was printed in the Observer's For the record column, Sunday April 11 2004 In the

Radio broadcast to discuss referendum on Chavez recall

2004-07-29 Thread Robert Naiman
Radio broadcast to discuss referendum on Chavez recall; The Miami Herald July 29, 2004 The Aug. 15 referendum on Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's rule will be discussed today during a live radio broadcast in Miami. ''The Venezuelan Referendum: Is Chavez On His Way Out?'' will be broadcast from 3

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Have you added up all the Iraqi civilians killed by various factions of Iraqi and non-Iraqi terrorists and compared the number to that of Iraqi civilians killed by US and other foreign troops who invaded and have occupied Iraq and by economic sanctions before the invasion

India Turned Kashmir into the Bitter Place It Is Now

2004-07-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
India turned Kashmir into the bitter place it is now BJP Hindu nationalism has made the conflict more dangerous Martin Woollacott http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,630975,00.html Friday January 11, 2002 The Guardian When sections of the Kashmiri crowd booed the Indian side and waved

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 11:05 AM -0400 7/29/04, Doug Henwood wrote: Have you added up all the Iraqi civilians killed by various factions of Iraqi and non-Iraqi terrorists and compared the number to that of Iraqi civilians killed by US and other foreign troops who invaded and have occupied Iraq and by economic

More Marxist background on Kashmir

2004-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
The Militant Vol.59/No.21 May 29, 1995 Kashmiris Demand: India Out Now! BY GREG ROSENBERG Azad Kashmir! (Free Kashmir) shouted women in the charred town of Charar Sharif - the scene of a devastating inferno provoked by the Indian army May 9. The burning of more than 1,000 houses and shops in the

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: You have no moral right to be acting superior to terrorists, since you intend to vote for one. But to be fair to John Kerry, he is only involved with state-sponsored terrorism. As far as I know, he has never been involved in a suicide bombing. Now he did apply botox to his

Tariq Ali on Kashmir

2004-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
LRB | Vol. 23 No. 8 dated 19 April 2001 | Tariq Ali Bitter Chill of Winter Tariq Ali (clip) In 1944 the National Conference had approved a constitution for an independent Kashmir, which began: We the people of Jammu and Kashmir, Ladakh and the Frontier regions, including Poonch and Chenani

Celluloid Diplomacy

2004-07-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
'My film is part of the peace process' After 40 years of hostility and embargoes, India's movie industry is opening its doors to its Pakistani rivals. Is this the start of celluloid diplomacy? Tania Branigan reports http://www.guardian.co.uk/kashmir/Story/0,2763,1146645,00.html Friday February 13,

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Carl Remick
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: You have no moral right to be acting superior to terrorists, since you intend to vote for one. But to be fair to John Kerry, he is only involved with state-sponsored terrorism. As far as I know, he has never been involved in a suicide

Kashmir and Islam

2004-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
http://www.himalmag.com/2004/may/review_2.htm REVIEW Kashmiriyat and Islam The conflict in Kashmir may be projected as the militant Islamic assault on the state. But the origins of Kashmiriyat were never built on inter-religious antagonism. Languages of Belonging: Islam, Regional Identity and

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
ravi wrote: Kashmir: a US protectorate in reality. then our duty is not to deny the former, but to fight the latter, isn't it? How do you fight the latter? Btw, do CPI and CPM share your positions? Ulhas Yahoo!

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/29/2004 8:49:16 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how can you say that the original _expression_ of the local population is irrelevant today? if it is true that the kashmiri people wish to be rid of indian oppression, and we are afraid that the result

Re: India Turned Kashmir into the Bitter Place It Is Now

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
--- Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: India turned Kashmir into the bitter place it is now Typical Guardian headline: Big country (fill in name of big country here) turned small country (fill in name of small country here) into the bitter place it is now. Small countries are by

Re: India Turned Kashmir into the Bitter Place It Is Now

2004-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Doss wrote: Typical Guardian headline: Big country (fill in name of big country here) turned small country (fill in name of small country here) into the bitter place it is now. Small countries are by definition victims of other countries and share no responsibility whatsoever for the

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Devine, James
yoshie writes: Only those who do not vote for Kerry or Bush have the moral standing to criticize foreign terrorists. why so much emphasis on an essentially powerless and thus meaningless act, an individual vote? jim devine

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Louis: Now he did apply botox to his forehead reportedly, but that did not affect innocent bystanders. Carl: It could. Introducing a foreign substance like botox might cause Kerry's crags to crumble like those of the Old Man of the Mountain under the onslaught of winter ice fissures. it's also

the MRI Challenge

2004-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Coke or Pepsi? It's all in the head Alok Jha, science correspondent Thursday July 29, 2004 The Guardian The long-standing conundrum of why Coke sells more than Pepsi despite being less popular in blind taste tests may have been solved. Scientists in Texas used a brain scanning technique to

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Daniel Davies
I don't want to sound patronising, nor like a single-issue obsessive, but all of these conversational gambits were tried on the British left during the Troubles and it's not obvious that they did a lot of good. dd -Original Message- You have no moral right to be acting superior to

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Devine, James
--- Doug Henwood wrote: Lately the resistance in Iraq has mainly been killing people at open-air markets. The anti-imperialist content of this strategy is hard to discern. Chris Doss: It doesn't have anti-imperialist content. The point is to make themselves look badass on TV and Jihadi

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: yoshie writes: Only those who do not vote for Kerry or Bush have the moral standing to criticize foreign terrorists. why so much emphasis on an essentially powerless and thus meaningless act, an individual vote? It's testimony to the powers of American assimiliation that

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
--- Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CB: The SU had autonomous regions. -- Russia still does. Tatarstan is the case in point. __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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2004-07-29 Thread ravi
Ulhas Joglekar wrote: ravi wrote: Kashmir: a US protectorate in reality. then our duty is not to deny the former, but to fight the latter, isn't it? How do you fight the latter? isn't the answer to that question what the broader context of this list is? or at least the humanist left is?

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
The terrorist theory is that by blowing things up, the powers that be will crack down and alienate the population, so that the population will join the insurgent movement. Specifically in Iraq, it's supposed to show that the US hasn't brought order to the country. The hope is that the

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/29/2004 9:58:32 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Brown wrote: CB: The SU had autonomous regions.They were formally autonomous. In reality, there was Great Russianchauvinism from just around the time that Stalin was consolidatingpower.

A Stem Cell's Worth of Difference

2004-07-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
A Stem Cell's Worth of Difference (the most eloquent speaker at the Democratic Party convention turns out to be Ron Reagan, because he alone didn't have to lie to distinguish Kerry from Bush): http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/07/stem-cells-worth-of-difference.html -- Yoshie * Critical Montages:

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Devine, James
me: The terrorist theory is that by blowing things up, the powers that be will crack down and alienate the population, so that the population will join the insurgent movement. Specifically in Iraq, it's supposed to show that the US hasn't brought order to the country. The hope is that the

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/29/2004 9:58:32 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Brown wrote: CB: The SU had autonomous regions. They were formally autonomous. In reality, there was Great Russian chauvinism from just around the time that Stalin was consolidating power.

Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Charles Brown
by Louis Proyect Charles Brown wrote: CB: The SU had autonomous regions. They were formally autonomous. In reality, there was Great Russian chauvinism from just around the time that Stalin was consolidating power. Lenin's concern over this matter prompted him to wage his final struggle against

Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Charles Brown
by Devine, James . The terrorist theory is that by blowing things up, the powers that be will crack down and alienate the population, so that the population will join the insurgent movement. Specifically in Iraq, it's supposed to show that the US hasn't brought order to the country. The hope is

Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Charles Brown
Devine, James wrote: yoshie writes: Only those who do not vote for Kerry or Bush have the moral standing to criticize foreign terrorists. why so much emphasis on an essentially powerless and thus meaningless act, an individual vote? ^^ CB:

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Hasn't this gone on long enough? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Devine, James
me: The terrorist theory is that by blowing things up, the powers that be will crack down and alienate the population, so that the population will join the insurgent movement. Specifically in Iraq, it's supposed to show that the US hasn't brought order to the country. The hope is that the

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Devine, James
CB: However, isn't this in response to criticism of the essentially powerless act of supporting the Iraqi resistance on an email list ? at least participation on an e-mail list sometimes provides intrinsic pleasures. jim

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Cool it, Yoshie. On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 11:12:55AM -0400, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: You have no moral right to be acting superior to terrorists, since you intend to vote for one. -- -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail

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2004-07-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Devine, James wrote: yoshie writes: Only those who do not vote for Kerry or Bush have the moral standing to criticize foreign terrorists. why so much emphasis on an essentially powerless and thus meaningless act, an individual vote? It's testimony to the powers of American assimiliation that

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
They were formally autonomous. In reality, there was Great Russian chauvinism from just around the time that Stalin was consolidating power. Lenin's concern over this matter prompted him to wage his final struggle against Stalin. --- If a Georgian with a goofy accent can be a Great Russian

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2004-07-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
yoshie writes: Only those who do not vote for Kerry or Bush have the moral standing to criticize foreign terrorists. why so much emphasis on an essentially powerless and thus meaningless act, an individual vote? jim devine Because, at bottom, it's a matter of avoiding a double standard of

Re: India Turned Kashmir into the Bitter Place It Is Now

2004-07-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Chris wrote: --- Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: India turned Kashmir into the bitter place it is now Typical Guardian headline: Big country (fill in name of big country here) turned small country (fill in name of small country here) into the bitter place it is now. Small countries are

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2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
If voting is merely an individual moral gesture, why not make a better moral gesture than a worse one, such as refusing to vote for a terrorist? -- Yoshie How do you know Nader wouldn't be a terrorist? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So

Re: India Turned Kashmir into the Bitter Place It Is Now

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
It doesn't matter if it is typical. It matters if it is true. -- Yoshie --- It will always be a priori true for the Guardian. I'm outta here, it's late. Bye! __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Doss wrote: If a Georgian with a goofy accent can be a Great Russian chauvinist. What does his accent have to do with anything? More to the point, Stalin's individual characteristics have little to do with the *social process* at work in the USSR, which Trotsky accurately described as

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
OK.Let's end this thread right away! -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

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2004-07-29 Thread ravi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Affirmative action programs do not and cannot solve the fundamental problem of a historically forced and institutionalized social position of the African American people as a people. When one even mentions the shattering and break up of the US multinational state many

Outflanking Bush to the right

2004-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
The New Republic Website The Right Stuff by Daniel W. Drezner http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=scholars=drezner072904 After John Kerry sewed up the Democratic presidential nomination, there was much fretting about whether he would need to tack left in order to appease the Deaniacs and Naderites. The

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 11:19 AM -0700 7/29/04, Chris Doss wrote: If voting is merely an individual moral gesture, why not make a better moral gesture than a worse one, such as refusing to vote for a terrorist? -- Yoshie How do you know Nader wouldn't be a terrorist? If he becomes one, we will fight against him also,

Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Charles Brown
by Chris Doss --- If a Georgian with a goofy accent can be a Great Russian chauvinist. Let's see, Stalin - Georgian, Khrushchev = Ukrainian, Brezhnev = probably an ethnic Ukrainian from Moldova, Gorbachev = from Ukraine too... hey, were any of the Great Russian chauvinist leaders actually

Debate on South Africa

2004-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
HAS THE SOUTH AFRICAN NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC REVOLUTION BEEN BETRAYED? THE CENTRE-LEFT DEFENDS ITS GAINS June-July 2004 DEBATES FROM TWO SOURCES: Mail and Guardian, and e-debate (http://www.kabissa.org/lists/debate) PARTICIPANTS: Ferial Haffajee (Editor, Mail and Guardian): FH Ebrahim Hassen (Senior

Re: How Mass is Mass Media?

2004-07-29 Thread ken hanly
All I know is that Jesus gets to vote first since he saith: He (sic) who is without sin gets to cast the first ballot.. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: Dan Scanlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] How Mass

ethnic divisions

2004-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Although I am highly disappointed by the low level of discourse on Kerala/Chechnya, I do have a serious question that might deflect the discussion. Are the ethnic hostilities something that would naturally die out without being enflamed intentionally for political gains or are they inevitable?

Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Charles Brown
by Louis Proyect -clip- ... and the failure to make socialist revolution in the West--a failure in itself directly attributable to the Kremlin's own lack of Marxist insights. CB: Failure to make socialist revolution in the West was not attributable to the Kremlin, was it ? Responsibility

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2004-07-29 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/29/2004 12:47:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And Lenin outlines issues for struggling against chauvinism including affirmative action: "That is why internationalism on the part of oppressors or "great" nations, as they are called (though they

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/29/2004 1:22:52 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK.Let's end this thread right away!--Michael PerelmanEconomics DepartmentCalifornia State UniversityChico, CA 95929 Comment Sorry . . . sent last reply before rading this. No more from me.

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2004-07-29 Thread ken hanly
Even the fundamentalist suicide bombers dont usually just target open air markets. They target police or lineups of people waiting to sign up for security forces etc. The resistance is manifold. US forces are still prime targets and the toll of dead and injured is still rising day by day.

absolute general law of capitalist accumulation

2004-07-29 Thread Charles Brown
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/29/business/29tax.html http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/29/business/29tax.html ? hp=pagewanted=printposition= July 29, 2004 I.R.S. Says Americans' Income Shrank for 2 Consecutive Years By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON The overall income Americans reported to the government

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/29/2004 2:05:52 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: by Louis Proyect-clip-... and the failure tomake socialist revolution in the West--a failure in itself directlyattributable to the Kremlin's own lack of Marxist insights.CB: Failure to make

kashmir and india (was Re: India's HDI Improves, Ranking Doesn't)

2004-07-29 Thread ravi
Chris Doss wrote: --- ravi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nothing unites like hate. and for that there is pakistan and/or muslims. the common language i share with my indian spouse is english. but not to worry with respect to commonality... advice from some relatives/acquaintances on both sides

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Michael Perelman
I thought we were dropping this! -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

Re: How Mass is Mass Media?

2004-07-29 Thread Devine, James
Ken Hanly writes: All I know is that Jesus gets to vote first since he saith: He (sic) who is without sin gets to cast the first ballot.. I wonder: who gets to cast the second stone? jim devine

non-Russian Great Russian Chauvinism.

2004-07-29 Thread Devine, James
[was: : [PEN-L] Israel pushing for Kurdish state?] Chris Doss: If a Georgian with a goofy accent can be a Great Russian chauvinist. Let's see, Stalin - Georgian, Khrushchev = Ukrainian, Brezhnev = probably an ethnic Ukrainian from Moldova, Gorbachev = from Ukraine too... hey, were any of the

toward compassion

2004-07-29 Thread Dan Scanlan
Subject: FW: politically correct TO SPEAK ABOUT WOMEN AND BE POLITICALLY CORRECT: 1. She is not a BABE or a CHICK - She is a BREASTED AMERICAN. 2. She is not a SCREAMER or a MOANER - She is VOCALLY APPRECIATIVE. 3. She is not EASY - She is HORIZONTALLY ACCESSIBLE. 4. She is not a DUMB BLONDE - She

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread ken hanly
I posted before I had received the termination notice. Anyway my points are different. The whole idea that the resistance is mostly from fundamentalist bombers is misleading and the idea that even the suicide bombers let alone the resistance in general is mainly targeting open air markets is just

Big brother's qualifications...

2004-07-29 Thread ken hanly
Administration picks disgraced judge for Homeland Security By Michael J. Sniffen and Leslie Miller, Associated Press | July 28, 2004 WASHINGTON (AP) A key overseer of the Bush administration's unsuccessful efforts to create a more comprehensive screening process for airline passengers resigned

Set sail Irish; Land White Re: ethnic divisions

2004-07-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael Perelman wrote: The Irish were regarded almost identically to the Blacks in the US. I gave some sources on this a few days ago, I believe. Yet, there is not a high level of anti-Irish feeling in the US. All _european_ ethnic groups that have migrated to the u.s. have come to begin

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Charles Brown wrote: by Devine, James . The terrorist theory is that by blowing things up, the powers that be will crack down and alienate the population, so that the population will join the insurgent movement. Specifically in Iraq, it's supposed to show that the US hasn't brought order

China has 600 million telephone users

2004-07-29 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
People's Daily Online Life UPDATED: 18:16, July 22, 2004 China has 600 million telephone users China had close to 600 million fixed and mobile phone users by the end of June this year. Statistics released from the Ministry of Information Industry show 30 million new telephone users signed up

Staying the course

2004-07-29 Thread Louis Proyect
The London Telegraph July 29, 2004 Kerry 'will not change foreign policy' By David Rennie in Boston America's allies expecting a shift in United States foreign policy from a President John Kerry should think again, his top advisers said yesterday. Instead, members of Mr Kerry's inner circle could

Maoist abduct 50 school children in Nepal

2004-07-29 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
HindustanTimes.com Monday, July 19, 2004 Maoist rebels abduct 50 school children in Nepal Reuters kathmandu, July 19 Maoist guerrillas have abducted at least 50 students and a dozen teachers from a school on the outskirts of the Nepali capital in a bid to force them into their fold, a police

Advice on economics/political economics books requested

2004-07-29 Thread ira glazer
I would greatly appreciate comments/opinions on the following economics/political economics books that I am considering purchasing: a) Capitalism and its Economics: A Critical History by Douglas Dowd b) The Dollar Crisis: Causes, Consequences, Cures by Richard Duncan c) The ABC's of Political

Re: Staying the course

2004-07-29 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/29/04 7:18 PM The London Telegraph July 29, 2004 Kerry 'will not change foreign policy' By David Rennie in Boston America's allies expecting a shift in United States foreign policy from a President John Kerry should think again, his top advisers said yesterday. surely

Re: Advice on economics/political economics books requested

2004-07-29 Thread Devine, James
I'll only comment on the two books I've read. e) Debunking Economics: The Naked Emperor of the Social Sciences by Steven Keen very good, but technical. It's a perfect _samizdat_ for Econ. graduate students who want to ask the profs. hard questions. g) Contours of Descent by Robert Pollin

Re: Failure of socialist revolution in the West is fault of Kremlin

2004-07-29 Thread Waistline2
The Great Russian chauvinism went hand in hand with hostility to gay rights, feminism, experimentalism in the arts, workers democracy and every other emancipatory impulse in the USSR. Stalin was transmitting the social pressure of Czarist officialdom, which was re-emerging in the 1920s in

Re: HDI\PPP Michael,Ulhas and Michael

2004-07-29 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Paul wrote: [See what happens with some encouragement - soon I'll be overposting! Is there a limit on posting? For India, from 1992 to 2001, the GNI increased by 64% when calculated by the World Bank Atlas method (non-PPP). I presume this comment is about India's GDP as a whole and not

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread sartesian
Horseshit. Oh, I'm sorry, is horsehit too harsh a word when faced with the bemused scepticism of the professional rationalist? In that case, horseshit. The latest, and perhaps most gruesome, car bombing was adjacent to a police recruitment center. Whether or not you approve of the targets in

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