was a privelege in itself. I'm a
worker
was always pronounced with pride, while intelligentsia was often called
spoilt brat.
Regards
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From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Equality of Wages etc
Even the equality of wages,which Proudhon demands,
would merely transform the relation of the present-day
worker to his work into the relation of all men to
work. Society would then be conceived as an abstract
capitalist.
Wages are an immediate consequence of estranged labor,
and estranged labor
From: Devine, James
thanks for this. It was illuminating. This material on alienation =
doesn't just show up in the GRUNDRISSE. It's also in CAPITAL, vol. I. =
Sometimes, it's almost word for word.
CB: It would seem that The Fetishism of Commodities and the Secret thereof
is in Chapter
.
This contrasted with the communist stage where it was: From each according
to ability and to each according to need.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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MB
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As I recall the basis of distribution was supposed to be to each according
to their social contribution
With respect to the quality of wages in the Soviet Union, I would like to add points.
First, to a certain extent nonwage benefits meant that the equality was slightly
overstated. Second, the equality of wages was one reason why many of the upper class
long to see the end of socialism. From what
Sorry if this is a duplication my mail server went down and I am not sure if
it went through. The passage I was thinking of talks of equality of wages
not of wealth.
Here are the relevant passages from the Manuscripts..
It, therefore, follows for us that wages and private property are identical:
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From: k hanly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:17 AM
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Sorry if this is a duplication my mail server went down and I
am not sure if
it went through. The passage I was thinking of talks of
equality
An increase in wages arouses in the worker the same
desire to get rich as in the capitalist, but he can
only satisfy this desire by sacrificing his mind and
body. An increase in wages presupposes, and
brings about, the accumulation of capital, and thus
opposes the product of labor to the worker as
MB wrote:
BTW, the equality of wages was something being planned
and implemented in the old USSR. For example, wages
on collective farms were being raised by greater
percentages than wages in the more urbanized, more
intellectual sectors in the sixties and seventies.
I'm not an expert on the old
There was a long article on wage equalization in a
publication which was used by scholars in the West. I
think it was called, Problems of Communism. I think
the article came out in the seventies. I read it
around 1981. If I find the reference, I'll pass it
along. Anyway, lots of talk on this
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