Re: Re: Argentina sacrificed for bankruptcy reform

2002-04-30 Thread Chris Burford
Sabri Oncu I am offended that you address me as My friend and sign your letter love (or as on another list, hugs), when you say you usually try to avoid reading my emails. Please avoid them, bin them, or filter them out. If you wish the reply to the point in question either agree or

Re: Re: Re: Argentina sacrificed for bankruptcy reform

2002-04-30 Thread Michael Perelman
I hope that Sabri was not being serious when he wrote his post. We can differ on politics without getting upset with each other. The delete key is a more pleasant way to communicate under some circumstances. On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 10:47:31PM +0100, Chris Burford wrote: Sabri Oncu I am

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-22 Thread Bill Burgess
At 11:17 AM 21/04/2002 +0800, Grant wrote: That wasn't my contention, which is more accurately that except for actual formal/military imperialism, (e.g. Britain in India) imperialist and imperialised have always been poles on a notional axis, rather than being distinct and permanent things. I

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-20 Thread Bill Rosenberg
Grant Lee wrote: HK and Singapore are entrepots, and they are city-economies, which indicates the need to qualify the significance of their numbers It seems to me that if no western state is very similar --- and I'm not convinced this is the case --- to HK and Singapore it would have

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada (and US foreign investment)

2002-04-19 Thread Bill Rosenberg
Ratios of inward and outward FDI stock to GDP, and FDI flows to gross fixed capital formation are tabulated for most countries in the various World Investment Reports of UNCTAD. They also calculate a transnationality index of FDI host countries, which averages the four shares: FDI flows (as a

Re: Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada (and US foreign investment)

2002-04-19 Thread Louis Proyect
On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:37:28 +1200, Bill Rosenberg wrote: It's difficult to say what profit figures would show. The ability of TNCs to transfer their profits from one country another for tax, political or internal reasons must make the profit attributed to their operations in any one country

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Louis Proyect
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:46:00 +0900, Charles Jannuzi wrote: US policies toward New Zealand came damn close when NZ objected to US ships not confirming whether or not they carried nukes in NZ waters and harbors. In the case of Australia, the US has taken the place of GB as key 'military ally' and

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Pugliese
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Re: Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Pugliese
April 5, 1998 THE SWISS, THE GOLD, AND THE DEAD By Jean Ziegler. Translated by John Brownjohn. 322 pp. New York: Harcourt Brace Company. $27. (Review) Gnomes and Nazis An account of Switzerland's role in financing Germany's war machine. By PETER GROSE (Peter Grose, a research fellow at

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-19 Thread Bill Burgess
Grant wrote: country inward FDI stock/GDPoutward FDI stock/GDP Canada 23.9% 26.9% Australia 28.117.1 UK 23.335.9 France 11.715.9 Singapore 85.8

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-16 Thread Louis Proyect
Grant Lee wrote: Louis, I'm sorry you feel that way. I took your reference to Lenin meant that you favoured the national front tactics of the early 1920s, which did involve bourgeois nationalists (in dependent countries). This only confuses things further. Lenin advocated support for

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-15 Thread Louis Proyect
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:29:15 +0800, Grant Lee wrote: I would ask: why would Marxists any longer seek solidarity with bourgeois nationalists, except in the now rare circumstances where the formal national question has never been resolved? In my last reply to you, I urged you not to put words in

Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-14 Thread Louis Proyect
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:23:17 +0800, Grant Lee wrote: Louis: If it isn't already clear, I find references to monolithic, single-minded exploitative entities called Great Britain or the United States to be untenable generalisations, which ignore the complexity of real class structures and the

Re: Re: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-14 Thread Ken Hanly
Left nationalism is nothing new in Canada and it certainly not a novel theory of Ross Dowson. Left nationalism was a strong current in the NDP (New Democractic Party) a social democratic party that ruled in BC, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and even Ontario for a while. It still governs Manitoba and

RE: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-13 Thread phillp2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, there is a lot of superficial truth in this account, at least as relative to Canada. But there is also a lot of overgeneralization and obfuscation in this account also. Since I have already published several hundreds of pages and articles on this subject

Re: RE: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Louis tells us that that the British behaved differently toward Argentina than Canada. Why? Was it because the settlers were ethnically different in Argentina from those in Canada? Did Britain have to behave differently toward Commonwealth countries? Paul, could you give us a brief outline of

Re: Re: RE: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada

2002-04-13 Thread phillp2
: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[PEN-L:24882] Re: RE: Re: Argentina, Australia and Canada To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Louis tells us that that the British behaved differently toward Argentina than Canada. Why

Re: Re: Argentina and money/reform

2002-02-06 Thread Waistline2
Dialectics of Reform and Revolution in Argentina Melvin P Marx standpoint, or rather vision has always been that of man in his actual or apparent circumstances of life, his pains, suffering, longings, material activity and spiritual dimensions. Man dominates Marx vision from beginning to

Re: Re: Argentina

2002-01-03 Thread Alan Cibils
I forgot to mention in the list below, that Duhalde was the presidential candidate for the peronists in the last elections. He was sqarely defeated by what people thought was a center-left coalition (the Alianza, whose main players were the Radical and Frepaso parties). The Alianza turned out

Re: Re: Re: Argentina

2002-01-03 Thread Romain Kroes
Isn't it fascinating, that people who are so involved in the economical and social policy of the last ten years be today unanimously lead to condemn this policy and to see no solution but its removal? Isn't it the proof that the crisis corresponds to an objective logic, regardless of voluntarism,

Re: Re: Argentina

2002-01-03 Thread Carrol Cox
Alan Cibils wrote: However, I think the people have got a taste of their own power in recent weeks (two presidents and a finance minister ain't bad!) From what I have read, the puebolo was prepared to support Saa, and it was precisely that popular support that moved two powerful Peronist

Re: Re: Re: Argentina

2002-01-03 Thread Alan Cibils
At 05:09 PM 1/3/2002 -0600, you wrote: Alan Cibils wrote: However, I think the people have got a taste of their own power in recent weeks (two presidents and a finance minister ain't bad!) From what I have read, the puebolo was prepared to support Saa, and it was precisely that

Re: Re: Argentina

2001-12-02 Thread michael perelman
I was not thinking of the IMF bailout by itself, but in conjunction with all the $$ that they US will throw at Turkey. I assume that the US expects Turkey to do a lot of its dirty work in central Asia. Am I off-base? Sabri Oncu wrote: Michael asks: Sabri, will the Turkish bail-out

Re: Re: Re: Argentina

2001-08-22 Thread Michael Pugliese
] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: [PEN-L:16165] Re: Re: Argentina Regarding Jim's question, I think that what I saw about Argentina is extraordinary. Usually, we can deconstruct what is going on, despite the obfuscation. The Argentina articles are almost

Re: Re: Argentina

2001-08-22 Thread Michael Perelman
Regarding Jim's question, I think that what I saw about Argentina is extraordinary. Usually, we can deconstruct what is going on, despite the obfuscation. The Argentina articles are almost impossible to penetrate. We know a crime is happening. We know who the villian is, but the curtains are

Re: Re: Argentina

2001-08-21 Thread Ian Murray
This article is a miracle of unclarity. I wanted to know the pound of flesh that they are going to extract. Are the creditors going to relent with no pound of flesh? === Um, Max Weber the official secret ring a bell? No? Perhaps J. Stiglitz' secrecy creates rents ? Ian

RE: Re: Argentina

2001-08-08 Thread Max Sawicky
not bad. hey I may actually read this thing. mbs Strike the word faulty. Compare: In Empire corruption is everywhere. It is the cornerstone and keystone of domination. It resides in different forms in the supreme government of Empire and its vassal administrations, the most refined and the

Re: RE: Re: Argentina

2001-08-08 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Max Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: [PEN-L:15754] RE: Re: Argentina not bad. hey I may actually read this thing. mbs Strike the word faulty. Compare: In Empire corruption

Re: Re: Argentina

2001-08-07 Thread Eugene Coyle
I sent the piece on Argentina along to a list of energy advocates, organizers, lawyers and enviros. I noted that the remarks by economists in it are the same as they've been hearing about California and electric de-reg generally -- It will work if you keep doing it. Sounds like someone who

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Argentina/GDP (2)

2000-09-08 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relación a [PEN-L:1448] Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Argentina/GD, el 7 Sep 00, a las 22:12, Brad DeLong dijo: The first hyperinflation was a coup d'etat. It was provoked intentionally (there are proofs and declarations in this sense, as well as there are others on the milder hyperinflation

Re: RE: Re: Argentina/GDP (2)

2000-09-07 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relación a [PEN-L:1362] RE: Re: Argentina/GDP (2), el 7 Sep 00, a las 11:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo: Nestor. What was the cause(s) of the hyperinflation in 1990? As always, you will have different answers from the different classes in conflict. In 1990, the hyperinflation had little

Re: Re: RE: Re: Argentina/GDP (2)

2000-09-07 Thread Brad De Long
In 1990, the hyperinflation had little to do with economic strains themselves. There were two peaks in 1989 and 1990, and both were absolutely political. The Argentinian economy has become such a concentrated mess after the 1976 coup and the stupid timidity (bordering treason) of the Alfonsín

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Argentina/GDP (2)

2000-09-07 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
Well, so it seems that Brad DeLong and yours truly will begin to cash some income from people watching our wrestling routine. I suggest Brad to write me offlist in order to arrange details... En relación a [PEN-L:1400] Re: Re: RE: Re: Argentina/GDP (2), el 7 Sep 00, a las 6:40, Brad De Long

Re: Re: Argentina

2000-09-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: Why doncha do a radio interview with him. Nestor has a beautiful baritone voice, more radio friendly than any professional deejay. At 11:26 AM 9/7/00 -0400, you wrote: Thanks to Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky for those very illuminating posts on Argentina. Excellent idea.

Re: Re: Re: Argentina

2000-09-07 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relación a [PEN-L:1412] Re: Re: Argentina, el 7 Sep 00, a las 12:03, Doug Henwood dijo: Louis Proyect wrote: Why doncha do a radio interview with him. Nestor has a beautiful baritone voice, more radio friendly than any professional deejay. At 11:26 AM 9/7/00 -0400, you wrote: Thanks

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Argentina/GDP (2)

2000-09-07 Thread Brad DeLong
The first hyperinflation was a coup d'etat. It was provoked intentionally (there are proofs and declarations in this sense, as well as there are others on the milder hyperinflation provoked in 1975 to generate the chaos that led to the 1976 coup) and ended with the downfall of Alfonsín. Provoked

RE: Re: Argentina and the US

2000-09-06 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
The big difference between capital imports to the developing US and the rest of the world was that we defaulted and got away with it. -- Ah, the pre-IMF Eden, how I miss it so.. Ian Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel.

RE: Re: Argentina/GDP (2)

2000-09-06 Thread Adam . Stokes
Nestor. What was the cause(s) of the hyperinflation in 1990? -Original Message- From: Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2000 10:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:1359] Re: Argentina/GDP (2) En relación a [PEN-L:1333] Argentina/GDP,