At 6:05 AM +0800 7/10/00, Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky wrote:
In Belgrade we have had a rehearsal of the "out wih Ferdinand Marcos"
play, where a good fraction of the petty bourgeoisie, with the
company of diverse fractions of lower classes, seems to have tilted
the balance in the Yugo armed forces
En relación a [PEN-L:2763] Re: Re: Milosevic out?,
el 7 Oct 00, a las 11:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo:
At 6:05 AM +0800 7/10/00, Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky wrote:
In Belgrade we have had a rehearsal of the "out wih Ferdinand Marcos"
play, where a good fraction of the petty b
Yoshie wrote:
Yes, and I'm saying that the opposition to neoliberal humanitarian
imperialism is the key to the future of the Left at the core and the periphery.
then we agree. I've been saying for a while that socialism is likely to
arise as a result of the struggle against the emergent
I had written:
The protestors -- who seemed to have come from all major classes,
unlike previous anti-Milosevic waves, which were primarily based
in the urban middle classes -- were fighting the Yugoslav
government, led by a man who had committed the ultimate sin among
En relación a [PEN-L:2787] Re: Re: Re: Re: Milosevic out?,
el 7 Oct 00, a las 10:49, Jim Devine dijo:
Néstor ripostes:
The same could be said of the mob who gathered at the Murillo Square
of La Paz, in Bolivia, in 1943, and hang President Gualberto
Villaroel, whose only crime had been
On 6 Oct 00, at 12:12, Louis Proyect wrote:
was elected without any "massive" voter fraud according to an op-ed piece
in the NY Times this week written by a Woodrow Wilson scholar.
Louis Proyect
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Louis,
Can you post this op-ed or give us
Louis Proyect wrote:
The Russian Revolution was the product of the most advanced thinking in
capitalist society. Every step in the direction toward seizing power was
decided on the basis of calm reflection of the relationship of forces, etc.
I agree with Lou that the defeat of Serbia is
I wrote:
On the drunkenness of the anti-Milosevic forces: we should remember after
the October revolution, Lenin and Trotsky found themselves dealing with the
mass drunkenness of the victorious workers in Petrograd. I would guess that
all revolutions involving mass mobilizations (as opposed
Please don't equate Milosevic, a total opportunist and rapid nationalist
(though he and his wife mouth socialist rhetoric when it's convenient),
with Allende, a socialist leader. It dirties the latter's memory.
Milosevic presided over state-owned enterprises. By all accounts, he was
determined
I wrote:
Please don't equate Milosevic, a total opportunist and rapid nationalist
(though he and his wife mouth socialist rhetoric when it's convenient),
with Allende, a socialist leader. It dirties the latter's memory.
Louis responds:
Milosevic presided over state-owned enterprises. By all
I wrote:
It's true that the ascension of neoliberalism in (and "Western" dominance
of) Serbia will rule out the realization of the potential of state ownership.
Yoshie replies:
This is the main point we should focus on, since there has been no
existing socialist alternative to the Milosevic
I wrote:
Whether one calls the relatively egalitarian statist economic development
efforts "socialist" or not is the kind of sterile academic debate I try to
avoid.
Charles ripostes:
Yet, I was responding to a post in which you seem to be telling Lou that
Yugoslavia is not "socialist"
I wrote:
The protestors -- who seemed to have come from all major classes,
unlike previous anti-Milosevic waves, which were primarily based in
the urban middle classes -- were fighting the Yugoslav government, led
by a man who had committed the ultimate sin among nationalists, i.e.,
En relación a [PEN-L:2740] Re: Re: Milosevic out?,
el 6 Oct 00, a las 15:29, Jim Devine dijo:
I wrote:
The protestors -- who seemed to have come from all major classes,
unlike previous anti-Milosevic waves, which were primarily based
in the urban middle classes -- were fighting
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